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    1. Member tincanman99's Avatar
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      05-29-2009 09:06 AM #1
      Very interesting. The Porsche of course was chosen as the leader but you realize very quickly at how expensive it is. For example the TT-S is almost as quick and is like 20K less.

      http://www.caranddriver.com/re..._test

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      05-29-2009 09:09 AM #2
      They used a Corvette rental?
      Oh lawd...

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      05-29-2009 09:10 AM #3
      I'll take a slightly used Z06 for $45k, thanks. Done.

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      05-29-2009 09:11 AM #4
      Quote, originally posted by mattdesmond »
      I'll take a slightly used Z06 for $45k, thanks. Done.

      Error: Convertible top not found.

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      05-29-2009 09:13 AM #5
      A corvette shouldn't have been included at all in this test, let alone a rental corvette.
      They should have used an Infiniti G37 Hardtop Convertible in this test in it's place or a 370Z.

    7. 05-29-2009 09:14 AM #6
      disregarding cost the new boxster and cayman are amazing cars
      they look fantastic...finally have some power that matches its excellent chassis and the PDK if you so choose to purchase it is a blast to drive
      BUT...as mentioned you can get into ridiculous numbers with the options
      We have a customer who completely decked a boxster out and even checked the carbon ceramic brake option...total was around $100K CDN with all the option boxes checked

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      05-29-2009 09:15 AM #7
      Quote, originally posted by CarManInNy84 »
      A corvette shouldn't have been included at all in this test, let alone a rental corvette.
      They should have used an Infiniti G37 Hardtop Convertible in this test in it's place or a 370Z.

      The 370Z vert doesn't exist yet.

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      05-29-2009 09:17 AM #8
      Quote, originally posted by tincanman99 »
      the Boxster S clobbers 60 mph in 4.3 seconds

      HOT DAMN! When did the Boxster get so fast?
      "Of course that's just my opinion; I could be wrong."

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      05-29-2009 09:20 AM #9
      Quote, originally posted by Mazda 3s »
      HOT DAMN! When did the Boxster get so fast?

      This year with the new DFI motor. We shall see how reliable it is.
      I have already read posts about the new PDK transmission failing on both the 911 and the Boxster/Cayman.

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      05-29-2009 09:20 AM #10
      You're right, the 370Z Convertible doesn't exist yet.
      I realized that after I posted. Thanks for the correction.

    12. 05-29-2009 09:24 AM #11
      Quote, originally posted by tincanman99 »
      This year with the new DFI motor. We shall see how reliable it is.
      I have already read posts about the new PDK transmission failing on both the 911 and the Boxster/Cayman.

      based on warranty reports porsche has not replaced 1 PDK transmission yet
      and considering there is no more problematic intermediate shaft on these motors and the fact that they are much simpler in their design i think its safe to assume they will be MUCH improved over older boxsters

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      05-29-2009 09:25 AM #12
      Quote, originally posted by WannabeVWguy »
      disregarding cost the new boxster and cayman are amazing cars
      they look fantastic...finally have some power that matches its excellent chassis and the PDK if you so choose to purchase it is a blast to drive
      BUT...as mentioned you can get into ridiculous numbers with the options
      We have a customer who completely decked a boxster out and even checked the carbon ceramic brake option...total was around $100K CDN with all the option boxes checked

      They are amazing cars but at what price? A $76K (US) Boxster is ridiculous.
      Porsche charging 4K for the PDK transmission is beyond ridiculous as well. Porsche bangs you pretty hard on the options - 19" wheels - 3k thank you very much, paint the center console to match $700, sport exhaust - like $2K. Give me a break.
      Upgrade the Audi TT-S to 19" = $800. Even if Audi raises the price on the new TT-RS 10K it will still be cheaper than the Porsche.

    14. 05-29-2009 09:26 AM #13
      Quote, originally posted by WannabeVWguy »
      disregarding cost the new boxster and cayman are amazing cars
      they look fantastic...finally have some power that matches its excellent chassis and the PDK if you so choose to purchase it is a blast to drive
      BUT...as mentioned you can get into ridiculous numbers with the options
      We have a customer who completely decked a boxster out and even checked the carbon ceramic brake option...total was around $100K CDN with all the option boxes checked

      Was it at least an S?
      That's 90k US dollars. For grins I just did a little search near me and found I could get a 2007 911 Turbo w/13k miles for under 90k or a 2005 911 Turbo Cabriolet for under 80k with under 20k miles if one just "had" to have the drop top version. Personally, I'd take a coupe all day any day.
      I know the Boxster and Cayman are amazing cars and all but damn if I were ever going to spend over 60k or 70k on any Porsche it would have to be a 911 either Turbo or GT model. Wow. I'd love to know what goes through someone's head when they deck out a Boxster or Cayman like that. I wonder if they just get caught up in the moment or something?

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      05-29-2009 09:27 AM #14
      Quote, originally posted by WannabeVWguy »
      based on warranty reports porsche has not replaced 1 PDK transmission yet
      and considering there is no more problematic intermediate shaft on these motors and the fact that they are much simpler in their design i think its safe to assume they will be MUCH improved over older boxsters

      On reports that may be true but I have read on the Porsche boards a number of people venting that their PDK transmissions have bought the farm. Just remember the IMS problems dont show up in reports anywhere either.
      How much of a problem IMS is no one really knows but it does happen.
      My only point is that I am not seeing the value for the price. $76K for a Boxster is ridiculous.

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      05-29-2009 09:31 AM #15
      Quote, originally posted by sullie »
      Was it at least an S?
      That's 90k US dollars. For grins I just did a little search near me and found I could get a 2007 911 Turbo w/13k miles for under 90k or a 2005 911 Turbo Cabriolet for under 80k with under 20k miles if one just "had" to have the drop top version. Personally, I'd take a coupe all day any day.
      I know the Boxster and Cayman are amazing cars and all but damn if I were ever going to spend over 60k or 70k on any Porsche it would have to be a 911 either Turbo or GT model. Wow. I'd love to know what goes through someone's head when they deck out a Boxster or Cayman like that. I wonder if they just get caught up in the moment or something?

      I have almost bought a Porsche Boxster a number of times but the practical side of me always holds me back (than I cry about it ).
      Regardless you have to be VERY careful with the options. It adds up very quick. Certain colors they will charge you like 3K just for jollies for no other reason than they can. Upgrade to 19" wheels is like 3K most of the time. The stupid Bose system is like 2K.
      It just adds up. And than the second you roll it off the lot it loses 30%. Thanks have a nice day .

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      05-29-2009 09:32 AM #16
      Quote, originally posted by tincanman99 »
      I have already read posts about the new PDK transmission failing on both the 911 and the Boxster/Cayman.

      Waaaaaiiit wait wait wait wait wait wait WAIT a second.

      You're most certainly wrong. Only Nissan sells high-performance cars with crappy transmissions.

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      05-29-2009 09:38 AM #17
      Quote, originally posted by tincanman99 »
      They are amazing cars but at what price? A $76K (US) Boxster is ridiculous.
      Porsche charging 4K for the PDK transmission is beyond ridiculous as well. Porsche bangs you pretty hard on the options - 19" wheels - 3k thank you very much, paint the center console to match $700, sport exhaust - like $2K. Give me a break.
      Upgrade the Audi TT-S to 19" = $800. Even if Audi raises the price on the new TT-RS 10K it will still be cheaper than the Porsche.

      But it goes the other way too. Get reasonable options and leave the rest stock, and you're looking at a decent value compared to what Nissan/Chevy/BMW want for their convertibles. IIRC, 58k CDN to start for a Boxster isn't completely crazy in this age of 40k Camrys.
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    19. 05-29-2009 09:40 AM #18
      Wow! $100,000cdn for a Boxter S all decked out. To me that just seems incorrect.

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      05-29-2009 09:41 AM #19
      Quote, originally posted by PassSedanGLX »
      Error: Convertible top not found.

      Except all the cars where the roof just blew off.

      Interesting how C&D liked the dynamics of the TT-S and Edmunds really bagged on the TT-RS.

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      05-29-2009 09:44 AM #20
      If it were my money I would pick the Corvette and here is why:
      The BMW performs well but looks hideous to me.
      I wand RWD and a proper manual transmission for this type of vehicle - the TT is out.
      The Boxster would be a good choice, it handles great and performs very well. However, cost to buy, maintenance and repair costs knock it off my list.
      That leaves the C6 (mine must have a manual transmission). Fastest and handles very well. Great good fuel economy for class, especially with manual transmission. Easy access to engine. Parts are easy to find. Great V8 sound.


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      05-29-2009 09:49 AM #21
      Quote, originally posted by tincanman99 »
      They are amazing cars but at what price? A $76K (US) Boxster is ridiculous.
      Porsche charging 4K for the PDK transmission is beyond ridiculous as well. Porsche bangs you pretty hard on the options - 19" wheels - 3k thank you very much, paint the center console to match $700, sport exhaust - like $2K. Give me a break.
      Upgrade the Audi TT-S to 19" = $800. Even if Audi raises the price on the new TT-RS 10K it will still be cheaper than the Porsche.

      On a Boxster S the upgrade to 19" wheels is $1550. You can get a Boxster S with everything required to win this test (PDK, PASM, 19" Wheels, Sport Seats) for $64,460, right in line with the other cars in the test. Yes, Porsche options are ridiculous, but they're offering what people in TCL constantly whine that they what: a stripped out base car with a-la-cart options structure. Just because you can load a Boxster S to $100k with a painted dash and leather seat belts doesn't mean you have to to get the driving experience.

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      05-29-2009 09:51 AM #22
      Quote, originally posted by Shomegrown »
      Interesting how C&D liked the dynamics of the TT-S and Edmunds really bagged on the TT-RS.

      I was surprised by that too. Reading the article it really sounded like they liked driving the TT-S a lot better than the Z4 too.

    24. 05-29-2009 09:52 AM #23
      Wow... they tested an automatic convertible rental vette without suspension options...
      and it pulled .83 on the skid pad... anyone else think something is wrong with that?
      I think that car has been seriously damaged. My 1998 ford mustang would pull more than .83 on a skid pad.... vettes routinely pull a solid G on a skid pad.
      this is just horrible...
      I understand it might be hard to get GM to give you a car for the weekend right now.. what with the bankruptcy and all... but leave it out of the test if you can't get a proper car... jeeze...

    25. 05-29-2009 09:53 AM #24
      My burgeoning desire to have a full-size truck or Land Cruiser for a daily-driver suddenly seems more rational. Of those prices I would probably consider the Corvette's the least outlandish, but the other are just stupid. I'm sure there's a market for them at those prices, but I personally know only one person who could afford them... And he just took delivery of his new GT-R for not much more than that Boxster. Seems like a bargain.

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      05-29-2009 09:55 AM #25
      Quote, originally posted by Professor Gascan »
      On a Boxster S the upgrade to 19" wheels is $1550. You can get a Boxster S with everything required to win this test (PDK, PASM, 19" Wheels, Sport Seats) for $64,460, right in line with the other cars in the test. Yes, Porsche options are ridiculous, but they're offering what people in TCL constantly whine that they what: a stripped out base car with a-la-cart options structure. Just because you can load a Boxster S to $100k with a painted dash and leather seat belts doesn't mean you have to to get the driving experience.

      One set of rims is $1550, the other is $1900 and the remaining bunch are $2400. I agree with the stripping out part of it, because thats how I would buy it. Every time I have priced it out, it came to the low 60s for a Boxster S.
      But $4K for a transmission is beyond ridiculous. I can understand like 1-2K but 4K is obscene. Porsche gouges you, thats all . More power to them if they can get people to pay.

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