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      10-05-2009 12:08 PM #1

      The Most Expensive Car on the Block
      By Bill Moore
      That's how Steve Dallas' wife characterizes his latest passion, a stylish, two-seat electric car that I got my first look at this evening here in Montreal. Felix Kramer, the founder of CalCars, and I were strolling the indoor mall of the Hyatt Regency after the opening night reception and noticed the bright yellow car pictured above being positioned in what will be the exhibit area of the PHEV '09 conference.
      The car is a from-the-ground-up design that Dallas, who owns Toronto Electric, has been working on for the last two years. His firm builds industrial cranes and electric motors, so building an electric car from scratch wasn't totally outside of his skill set, but he was also smart enough to hire the best available talent in his community to style the car, engineer and assembly the chassis, and program the electronic controls and telematics, which includes its own onboard WiFi system.
      For styling, he turned to noted race car designer Paul Deutschman, who has designed cars for LeMans. The chassis was engineered from tubular chrome moly steel by a firm that builds Nascar racers. The 49kW AC drive system comes from Azure Dynamics and the 29.2kWh, 307 volt lithium ion battery pack from Valence.
      Fresh out of the shop, the car is getting its first public debut for the opening of PHEV'09. Steve tells me that he hasn't even developed a web page for it yet, but this much we know right now, the car is a one-off design due to Transport Canada regulations. While it sounds like Dallas would like to offer the series production models for sale, he is still mulling over his options, so it may, or it may not proceed beyond the point at which it is this evening.
      In terms of performance, everything for now is largely theoretical. Acceleration is expected to be 0-60 mph in 4 seconds, comparable to the Tesla. Efficiency is targeted at 128 Wh/km or 207 Wh/mi. At 80% depth of discharge, that would equal a driving range of 100 miles. Top speed is rated at 99km/h (61 mph), largely because Dallas intended the car to be used in urban settings; the next step above a ZENN or comparable neighborhood electric vehicle (NEV).
      Empty, the car weighs 700 kg ( 1543 lbs.) and has a payload of 460 kg. The 321 kg battery pack sits under the passenger cockpit, so tipping this car over should be next to impossible; and even if you did, it has a Nascar-style roll cage that will prevent the roof from caving in on the occupants.
      The car has two digital display screens; mechanical analog instruments are so last century. The driver's screen displays the speedometer and other vehicle data, while the telematics screen includes GPS and Google maps.
      I really think a lot of people could get pretty excited about this the car, which Steve refers to in his spec sheet handout as the TE Option 1, highlighting the fact that the car could accommodate a variety of drive system options from hub motors to range-extended hybrid drives.
      For now, though, Mrs. Dallas and her enterprising husband own the most expensive car on their block... and one of the nicest little electric runabouts yet to hit the bricks on either side of the Canadian-U.S. border.
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      10-05-2009 12:11 PM #2
      So... it can accelerate to its top speed in 4 seconds. Bizarre
      Anyone else think that if it can accelerate to its top speed so quickly, it could be a larger, more practical (and thus heavier) vehicle while retaining most of its efficiency?
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      10-05-2009 12:14 PM #3
      Oh silly Canada, just stick with maple syrup and hockey, leave the car building to real countries.
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      10-05-2009 12:19 PM #4
      What about efficiency in cold temperatures? It would be a cold day in hell before I drive a rudimentary electric car into the Canadian wilderness. Especially in rural parts of Canada, where rest stops are either non-existent or few and far between, and the Provincial coppers or the RCMP are the same. I think these sorts of vehicles are great for big city downtown driving or commuting, but any sort of distance driving or harsh conditions demand something a little more stout, biofuels or whatever.

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      10-05-2009 12:22 PM #5
      Well this is intended to be an urban car.
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      10-05-2009 12:24 PM #6
      Quote, originally posted by DJMRDARK »
      Well this is intended to be an urban car.

      I would still be worried about battery efficiency while sitting in urban traffic, Toronto, for example. It can get quite cold and with snow storms and what have you I think it would still be a major concern.

    8. 10-05-2009 07:11 PM #7
      Quote, originally posted by 1.8Tquattro »
      Oh silly Canada, just stick with maple syrup and hockey, leave the car building to real countries.

      Good advice. Too bad your own government doesn't agree . . .

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      10-05-2009 07:14 PM #8
      Quote, originally posted by 1.8Tquattro »
      Oh silly Canada, just stick with maple syrup and hockey, leave the car building to real countries.

      Like the Corolla, a lot of Fords, the new Camaro, etc?

    10. 10-05-2009 07:21 PM #9
      Quote, originally posted by Tiberius »
      I would still be worried about battery efficiency while sitting in urban traffic, Toronto, for example. It can get quite cold and with snow storms and what have you I think it would still be a major concern.

      I am pretty sure a car developed in the very city you speak of, consideration went into what kind of climate the car will be used in.
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      10-05-2009 07:25 PM #10
      Quote, originally posted by oh noes! cars! »
      I am pretty sure a car developed in the very city you speak of, consideration went into what kind of climate the car will be used in.

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