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      05-25-2012 08:29 PM #26
      I understand that it may not touch what he got, but I would love it to get close. I want to be able to keep up with some of the cars I will be racing against. Hahah Mainly big block/small block V8's. I will be the only European car in the series.
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      05-30-2012 08:02 AM #27
      Frankenturbo will be on tomorrow!!! I will be installing on Monday and Tueday of next week. Working on getting some 630cc injectors and an upgraded fuel pump from INA Engineering to run this setup.
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      05-31-2012 09:34 AM #28
      Frankenturbo should be in when I get home today!! I am not excited or anything!!!
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      06-04-2012 02:16 PM #29
      Got the Frankentrubo F23 in last week. I will be installing next Monday and Tuesday as long as I do not have court. Gonna be getting some 630cc injectors, adjustable fpr and fuel pump from INA as well.
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      06-11-2012 01:20 PM #30
      Got the 02X out and Frankenturbo in. Taking a break for a little bit before I put the TIP and intercooler pipes back on. Had a little mishap where a stud broke off for the up pipe on the 02X. Went to Home Depot and fixed the issue.
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      06-11-2012 08:13 PM #31
      Well I got it all back together and what do ya know when I start it up I have an exhaust leak from the exhaust manifold to the turbo. I was thinking what on earth is that noise. Placed my hand on the back side of the turbo and felt the exhaust fumes pouring out.
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      06-11-2012 10:51 PM #32
      I was looking at the 02X after i took it out and the play in the shaft was horrible!!! Probably a good 16th of an inch. When you spun it you could feel it grinding, literally. No wonder it was smoking so much. I think I am lucky the shaft did not go. Explains alot of the issues I was having. I honestly do not think I will be able to rebuild it unless I get a new shaft. Lately when I shut my car off you could hear the turbo compressor come to a stop. In between shifts you would hear a growling noise from it too.

      Car is idling good now besides the exhaust leak. MBC is installed. Tomorrow after court I will be fixing the exhaust leak and tuning the F23 with Maestro.
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      06-12-2012 12:31 AM #33
      If you need a hand getting the file loaded up, lemme know. I just went thru this install last week.

      Im tempted to make a build thread, but there's a few already...how exactly are you setting up your "stock oil feed line with an fittings"?

      Im working with Doug to find the best solution for the F23 Feed with the OEM manifold. Should have some good news soon!
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      06-12-2012 12:10 PM #34
      The AN fittings did not work out. It made the braided line push up against the manifold and there was enough pressure to snap the fitting on the end of the braided line. It went from a drip drip to oil pouring out. Scared the poop out of me. I reused the stock oil feed line when the braided line broke. It is a pain in the butt to get back in, but it was not too bad hooking it up to the turbo. Got my exhaust leak fixed too.

      Turns out the OEM bolts for the 02X are too long for the F23. I improvised until I can get shorter ones. I placed a lock washer below each bolt and torqued them down. Worked like a charm. No more exhaust leak. Now I just have to wait for all the screw loose to evaporate off of things. It was a painnnnn to get the up pipe detached from the exhaust and the 02X.
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    12. 06-12-2012 01:42 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by groggory View Post
      My grandpa was in racing for many years and always talked about how some motors were just hot engines that outperformed everything else. It's like making a huge batch of something and then picking the one that for some reason just is better and more perfect.
      Truth be told a lot of that diffrence comes from engine break-in.

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      06-12-2012 01:55 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by Twopnt016v View Post
      Truth be told a lot of that diffrence comes from engine break-in.
      Makes sense why formula 1 teams have VERY VERY specific break in procedures for their engines. They need consistency so they can drop a new engine in a blown up race car and have it perform near the same.

      I watched the canada race over the weekend and my jaw always drops.
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      06-12-2012 02:49 PM #37
      Just started her up let her idle for 3-5 minutes to warm all the way up and took her out for a couple runs. I did a 1st gear pull, just to see how it would go, up to 300 rpms and a 2nd gear pull up to about 4500 rpm's. I didnt have time to take it out onto the road to do a 3rd gear pull. I have my MBC set to 12 psi right now and it pulled like a mother. That piece of poo 02X that was about to blow up on me is nothing compared to this.

      The only thing I am worried about is that i have quite high 02 corrections at some points, but my lamda seems to be spot on with a knock of -.075 for a split millisecond on decel occuring only once. Pulled back into the garage to check for leaks and low and behold I have a minor oil leak. Maybe a drip every 5-10 minutes but enough to worry me now to drive it until I fix it. I think I am going to have to pull the exhaust mani off when it cools down and torque the oil feed tighter. It looks like that is where it is coming from.
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      06-12-2012 03:04 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by groggory View Post
      I watched the canada race over the weekend and my jaw always drops.
      Me Too! I hate when they skip weekends though... Hope you caught the Friday practice, 3-4 wrecks on Champions corner

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      06-12-2012 03:06 PM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by BlitzKriegGetta View Post
      low and behold I have a minor oil leak. Maybe a drip every 5-10 minutes but enough to worry me now to drive it until I fix it. I think I am going to have to pull the exhaust mani off when it cools down and torque the oil feed tighter. It looks like that is where it is coming from.
      I too have this leak. It was worse, but then I retorqued the feed banjo bold and tossed on new crush washers. Still have a tiny drip. Not sure where its coming from.

      Also, do you mind posting or pming me pics/links to the fittings you used that wouldnt fit?

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      06-12-2012 03:24 PM #40
      They were the fitting sizes on psi concepts website. I looked at their fittings they used and went based off of that. The AN fittings would have worked on the oil filter size, but the top of the 90 degree fitting would hit on the exhaust manifold and you couldn't bolt up the turbo. I than went and bought some AN banjo bolts to hook up to the braided line. It cleared the manifold up and down, but pressed the line against the back part of the manifold enough to break the line. I suppose if you used a AN banjo bolt with a 90 degree that goes toward the driver side of the car it might work, but i just decided to reuse the stock OEM line. After taking the manifold off 3 times trying to fix it I said the heck with it. I got all the AN fittings from Ebay and the braided line from a local place.
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      06-14-2012 09:57 AM #41
      Well everything seems to be running awesome so far. I do have a weird sound though. I have a whining sounds that sounds like a low pitched "wuuuuuu" that goes up in pitch as I accelerate. It isn't doing it at idle at all. It is stressing me out trying to figure out what it is. I was thinking a leak of somesort, basically because it has been doing it since the first time I drove the car with the F23 installed. I only hear the lower pitch while cruising, but as soon as I accelerate the pitch goes up. I checked all the lines I took off to install the turbo and they are all on.

      Could it be the forge mbc since it is the bleeder type?
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      06-15-2012 07:02 PM #42
      Well i found out something new today. How not to install your manual MBC. lolol.....

      I installed it in series and was wondering why on earth it is not regulating boost. I did not realize it had to run in parrallel.

      Thanks for the info Doug!!!!
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    20. 06-16-2012 07:10 AM #43
      LOLZ... I bet that helped!

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      06-16-2012 08:27 AM #44
      I havn't fixed it yet. I have not been using my lead food at all though. I have to wait until I have more time unfortunately. Hopefully sometime this weekend I will be able to tackle it.

      I still have to install my rods I got from INA, AEB head, S4 throttle body and coilovers. I hate not having time to do everything at once. I still need to get a water meth kit as well. Everything is coming along quite nicely.

      I also have a weird whining sound whenever I accelerate, so I think I may have an exhaust leak or some sort ot boost/vaccum leak somewhere. I was thinking it might have been the Forge MBC I installed. It is the bleed style. I have to sit down and figure out where that is coming from first. It is really annoying me. Doulg helped me out with the whining sound as well.
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      06-17-2012 08:17 AM #45
      I do have a vaccum leak. I idle anywhere betwee 22hg - 18hg. Idles like pooh anywhere under 20. I am not sure if that is where the whine is coming from. Still trying to track it down. I did do a 3rd gear pull finally yesterday because I thought I was pre-detonating. Most timing pull I have is -3 on cylinder 4.
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      Yeah, I checked my 02 correction on maestro for the base 550cc file and everything looked great!

      My block 032 was -.56 and -4.69.

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      06-17-2012 10:48 AM #47
      My 02 correction is usually between -3 and -7 under boost and running rich at like .75 - .9 lamda. Timing advance is pretty much spot on with the map. The -3 pull in cylinder #4 came on at about 5000 rpm at about 15 psi of boost. I think because i was about to max out the injectors. The injector pulse was at like 15, which is real close to maxing it out. I know I am not having lean issues under boost or pre-detonating, thank god. That was worrying me.

      Now all I have to do is track down my possible exhaust and vacuum leak and figure out why after driving for 30+ minutes and coming to a stop it idles like pooh. If I turn it off for a few minutes and turn it back on it runs fine. It started up this morning kinda rough, but once it got warmed up it was fine.
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      06-17-2012 12:01 PM #48
      Ahh hahhh. I finally found a video that sounds exactly like the whining noise that I have and it is behaving exactly like the video. Once I start to put the gas pedal down even out of boost you hear it and the pitch gets higher as boost builds.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z23Iv8mvHXs
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      06-17-2012 12:51 PM #49
      This is actually a rare "turbo noise" video where the sound quality is good enough to hear the issue.

      Here it is embedded.




      This sounds like a blown connection in the charge piping. The turbo becomes more audible -- you can hear it whirring -- and your A/Fs get shot to hell.

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      06-17-2012 02:42 PM #50
      It took me hours of searching at work to find this one video that sounds exactly like it. Thanks for the help bro!!!! I really appreciate it. Makes me worry alot less now.
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