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      04-12-2013 12:49 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by Spatzle View Post
      Battery power is the disclaimer. You overload any gas or diesel vehicle get S for mpg you'll have many places to rectify the situation. The vast vast majority of people who tow for pleasure go to well beyond the round trip range of a Telsa empty, much less cutting that by 50% towing.
      So, 5 years ago, no electric car had the range of the new Tesla S, and there weren't supercharging stations popping up all over. You don't think that in 5 more years there may be improvements on both fronts?
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      04-12-2013 12:52 PM #27
      Im trying to think of anyway that I can believe this happening, but I cant. Unless there is a breakthrough battery technology there is no way that he can bring a truck to market at a price that people will buy it at.

      Trucks are much less aerodynamic than cars, therefore negating some of the range, on top of that they are heavier to accept payload.

      Yeah sorry Elon, unless you are making a showcase sport truck like an SVT ford lightning, I dont believe you. Also I really dont think that you will come in at a 30-40k price point where regular pickup truck drivers would buy it.

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      04-12-2013 12:56 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by surefooted View Post
      If the pic is really what they are shooting for, then we can use a Holden Commodore UTe SV6 as comparison. At that size and likely price range, it won't be hard to have "the performance of a sports car". The Commodore also has a 3500lbs tow rating which should be easily doable for the Tesla T.



      The devil is in the details.
      I think this is very close to what they'd be going for, and I don't see any reason why they can't do it. It's not like they're going to try to make a full-electric full-size pickup that can tow 24,000 lbs right off the bat.

      (begin pie-in-the-sky daydreaming)

      HOWEVER: I don't see why a Volt-style electric-with-range-extender drivetrain wouldn't work for a full-size truck.

      - Payload is mostly in the frame, not the drivetrain (i.e. the real work is in holding up 5,000# -- moving it forward is relatively easy).
      - Electric motors can deliver high torque as long as there is electricity to supply them.
      - They have all the room in the world for large amounts of battery and a range extender/generator under the hood/chassis.
      - How awesome would it be to get even say, 35mpg avg. in a full-size truck?

      Hey, GM -- throw Voltec in a Silverado. DO IT!

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      04-12-2013 12:56 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by Crimping Is Easy View Post
      As much as I love the idea of this, I think it would have a hard time selling, since most people who buy trucks are fairly stuck in their ways, and wouldn't likely accept an electric truck. .
      The truck market isn't monolithic. People said the same thing about the Ecoboost V6 in the F-150, and were soundly incorrect. Will the majority of F-150 owners buy a Tesla truck? No, but some will.
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      04-12-2013 12:57 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by Jettavr666 View Post
      Im trying to think of anyway that I can believe this happening, but I cant. Unless there is a breakthrough battery technology there is no way that he can bring a truck to market at a price that people will buy it at.

      Trucks are much less aerodynamic than cars, therefore negating some of the range, on top of that they are heavier to accept payload.

      Yeah sorry Elon, unless you are making a showcase sport truck like an SVT ford lightning, I dont believe you. Also I really dont think that you will come in at a 30-40k price point where regular pickup truck drivers would buy it.
      Have you not been paying attention to Tesla at all?
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      04-12-2013 12:59 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by pretzelogik View Post
      Mr. Musk should stick to shooting satellites into space...ya can't win em all Elon.
      Tell you what: you accomplish a hundredth of what he's accomplished, then you get to tell him what he can and can't make work.
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      04-12-2013 01:02 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by redshift View Post
      HOWEVER: I don't see why a Volt-style electric-with-range-extender drivetrain wouldn't work for a full-size truck.

      - Payload is mostly in the frame, not the drivetrain (i.e. the real work is in holding up 5,000# -- moving it forward is relatively easy).
      - Electric motors can deliver high torque as long as there is electricity to supply them.
      - They have all the room in the world for large amounts of battery and a range extender/generator under the hood/chassis.
      - How awesome would it be to get even say, 35mpg avg. in a full-size truck?
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      04-12-2013 01:10 PM #33
      ^ Yeah, of course. Kind of embarrassed I didn't think of that.

      Now reverse embiggen it and stuff it into a Silverado/Sierra.
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      04-12-2013 01:12 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by redshift View Post
      Now reverse embiggen it and stuff it into a Silverado/Sierra.
      A Silverado/Tahoe with Volt technology would be really awesome, and probably very popular for work fleets and the like.
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      04-12-2013 01:19 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by jrmcm View Post
      The guy builds sustainable, cost effective cargo spacecraft, and the first legitimate mass market electric only luxury car... but THIS? OH NO WAY THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!!
      TCL internet-engineers* are always on the case, providing real time marketing feedback and product planning advice.


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      04-12-2013 01:38 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by Ryukein View Post
      A Silverado/Tahoe with Volt technology would be really awesome, and probably very popular for work fleets and the like.
      Uh, it already exists. 40 mile all electric range, standard 4x4 high/low available on all models except the Express van.

      http://www.viamotors.com/






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      04-12-2013 01:41 PM #37
      Oh, duh. I remember reading about that. Very cool.
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      04-12-2013 01:54 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by emmettlodge View Post
      Uh, it already exists. 40 mile all electric range, standard 4x4 high/low available on all models except the Express van.

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      This truck seems like a great idea. It allows truck to be efficient with city driving. To bad it is $80,000.

    15. 04-12-2013 01:55 PM #39
      I think he's looking at the mini truck market, which has been completely neglected for YEARS by the major manufacturers, and seeing big time opportunity.

      It's a totally underserved market that has experienced ZERO innovation over the last decade. It is ripe for Tesla to turn it on it's head.

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      04-12-2013 01:56 PM #40
      They'll probably be able to do it, no problem.

      ...but towing 5000lbs, it's going to have a 15 km range.
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      04-12-2013 02:20 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by Rob View Post
      I think he's looking at the mini truck market, which has been completely neglected for YEARS by the major manufacturers, and seeing big time opportunity.

      It's a totally underserved market that has experienced ZERO innovation over the last decade. It is ripe for Tesla to turn it on it's head.
      Electromagnetic powered suspension. Get that minitruck hopping to the moon.


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      04-12-2013 02:51 PM #42
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      04-12-2013 03:08 PM #43
      Maybe it's just me, but given how that article only mentions the whole EV truck idea in the last paragraph... it leads me to believe that Musk has no real plans on an EV truck (or a Texas Plant for said truck) in the works at all.

      The subject of the article was NOT the truck, but rather Tesla's quest for amending the Texas (and other states) law that prevents MFRs from selling their products directly to consumers. IMHO... the principle reason for him to even suggest (because the whole suggestion sounds merely theoretical and not anywhere near serious business proposal) this Truck and 2nd plant was to help motivate/convince/bribe Texas to open their laws so his 2nd highest potential sales market can gain traction (i.e. It's all about negotiations... the sell!).

      Think about it...
      1) Tesla is busy with launching the S.
      2) Tesla is busy trying to sustain enough investment/profit in order to kick off the crossover.
      3) Tesla is busy trying to thwart the franchise laws regarding MFRs selling their products.
      4) Tesla is busy making sure all of this can be sustained to get them across their biggest hurdle, which is just staying alive now that they are trying to get beyond their boutique roadster status.

      >>>The last thing they need to do is pretend they are looking into a truck AND another plant (i.e. Such suggestions are most likely trying to win favor to overturn the franchise laws.).

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      04-12-2013 04:07 PM #44
      who knows in five years we might be replacing batteries with super capacitors. Then it will be more convenient to drive an electric vehicle than a gas/diesel, filling up your "tank" in seconds = win

    21. 04-12-2013 04:38 PM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by emmettlodge View Post
      Will buy.
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    22. 04-12-2013 04:55 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by 50fridge View Post
      This truck seems like a great idea. It allows truck to be efficient with city driving. To bad it is $80,000.
      I'd be shocked if a Tesla truck would be significantly less .
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      04-12-2013 04:59 PM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by cougar View Post
      I'd be shocked if a Tesla truck would be significantly less .
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      04-12-2013 05:11 PM #48
      An electric truck? "With sports car performance and more towing power than conventional truck?" This is sooooo five-six years ago... These pie-eyed visionaries at Phoenix Motor Cars were looking for investors at the time, flew uber-environmentalist and redoubtable actor Ed Begley to Dallas to introduce the truck, and drove me and other big spenders around in a cobbled-up concept that ran well-enough (for a while) in an attempt to prove viability, and convince us to part with serious money. As I recall, the truck had a projected (and wildly-optimistic in my view) 100-mile range at highway speeds, and only cost $60K. I passed...



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      04-12-2013 05:15 PM #49
      We're all duly impressed that you were courted by Ed Begley Jr.
      However, Tesla isn't Phoenix Motor Cars.

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      04-12-2013 05:20 PM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by jrmcm View Post
      We're all duly impressed that you were courted by Ed Begley Jr.
      However, Tesla isn't Phoenix Motor Cars.
      im not.

      who is this guy?
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