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      09-19-2013 07:44 PM #1





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      You’re looking at what’s likely to be the driving enthusiast’s highlight of 2015: the first of two new rear-drive, two-seater sports cars wearing iconic badges: Mazda MX-5, and Alfa Romeo Spider. Mazda and Alfa are joining forces to create a shared-platform sports car, but each model will wear bespoke styling and be powered by different in-house engines.

      Pretty sure I’m actually looking at an old MX-5 that’s crashed…

      This current-gen MX-5 test mule is far from pretty, but ignore the masking-tape eye shadow around its RX-8 headlights and missing side skirts: this test hack is concealing the really important bit: powertrains. This car was spied tooling around Auburn Hills, Michigan – the home of Chrysler’s world headquarters.

      What was a Mazda doing testing in Chrysler’s back yard?

      Don’t be fooled by the Mazda suit – this is a joint project. Alfa Romeo is part of the Chrysler family – Chrysler is in charge of Alfa’s Fiat Group overlords. So, it’s likely that under the red herring Mazda body, this car is running the Alfa Romeo 4C supercar’s powertrain, rotated through 180 degrees to power the new Alfa Spider.

      Back with a bang then, the new Alfa Spider?

      With a turbocharged 1.7-litre four-pot developing 237bhp, we should say so. That VW Golf GTI-besting output is sent to the rear wheels via the 4C’s dual-clutch ‘TCT’ paddleshift gearbox. Thanks to Mazda’s ‘SkyActiv’ chassis, the car’s kerbweight should be reassuringly low – though not as featherweight as the carbonfibre 4C.

      What’s the story with the Mazda MX-5?

      Mazda engineers are targeting a substantial weight saving for the new MX-5, thanks to the SkyActiv philosophy. The current 6 saloon and new 3 hatchback have managed to shave around 100kg from the kerbweights of their predecessors, but that’ll be a taller order for the MX-5, which comes in at around 1150kg in its current guise.

      It’ll offer a manual gearbox only in the UK – Mazda admits the short-lived auto didn’t fit with the car’s enthusiast-pleasing ethos in the UK market, which sucks up 50% of European MX-5 sales – and 10% of the worldwide total. An automatic is still on the cards for the American market, though. As per the current MX-5, folding hard-top and conventional canvas-roofed roadster bodystyles will be available, with the entry-level model purported to cost less than Ł20,000.

      What about a hot Mazda MX-5 MPS to scare Z4s and Boxsters?

      Don’t hold your breath. With Hiroshima’s resources concentrated on trimming grams and reducing CO2 via the SkyActiv policy, Mazda’s shying away from high-powered sporty models for the time being – though insiders admit they’d love to see a return for the performance-orientated MPS range. Right now, it’s a no-go, and it’s the fault of the SkyActiv engines themselves. Thanks to their ultra-high compression ratios – and the resultant lack of easily tuneable turbochargers – Mazda hasn’t got a suitable brawny engine available to power hot 2s, 3s, 6s and MX-5s. Its Alfa Spider sister, on the other hand, with 237bhp on hand from its blown 4C engine, could be the Italian-styled enemy within for the new MX-5. We’ll find out in 2015.
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      09-19-2013 07:46 PM #2
      cute

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      09-19-2013 07:48 PM #3
      Why bother hiding it with tape? It looks just like the current MX-5.

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      09-19-2013 07:51 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by NathanDetroit View Post
      Why bother hiding it with tape? It looks just like the current MX-5.
      It's a mule.
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      09-19-2013 07:52 PM #5
      I would honestly like to see Mazda go with a simple NA engine. A low cost low complexity (as reasonably possible) would be a nice change and a good entry level sports car.

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      09-19-2013 07:52 PM #6
      Dear Mazda,

      The smiley face needs to go (yes I realize they just slapped on some body panels they found lying around the build location for testing).

      Love,
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      "The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering."
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      09-19-2013 07:59 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by Sledge View Post
      Dear Mazda,

      The smiley face needs to go (yes I realize they just slapped on some body panels they found lying around the build location for testing).
      Dear Mazda owner,

      Do you not know what a test mule is?
      Hint. They use existing body panels taped/screwed together over the new stuff they are testing.

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      09-19-2013 08:05 PM #8
      Hmmm, I'm seeing some Bugeye Sprite influence.

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      09-19-2013 08:05 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Dear Mazda owner,

      Do you not know what a test mule is?
      Hint. They use existing body panels taped/screwed together over the new stuff they are testing.
      Do you not know what corporate design language is?
      Hint. Every Mazda has the same overall fascia and there has been no word that they will be taking a different design direction any time soon.
      "The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering."
      - Doctor Who (Fourth Doctor) "Face of Evil"

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      09-19-2013 08:17 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by Sledge View Post
      Do you not know what corporate design language is?
      Hint. Every Mazda has the same overall fascia and there has been no word that they will be taking a different design direction any time soon.
      Is this a serious comment?

      The CX5, new Mazda6 and Mazda3 have definitely moved away from the goofy grin.
      But you think they will keep the old grin instead of going with the new corporate styling direction for the new MX5? Interesting.

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      09-19-2013 08:18 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by Sledge View Post
      Do you not know what corporate design language is?
      Hint. Every Mazda has the same overall fascia and there has been no word that they will be taking a different design direction any time soon.

      Have you paid any fscking attention to new Mazdas? The smile is fscking dead.








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      09-19-2013 08:19 PM #12
      In the end, if it doesn't look like this:

      I don't care about it.
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      Mercedes typically makes awful manual transmissions and fantastic auto transmissions. Choosing the stick would be like saying, "Y'know, that Natalie Portman is pretty hot, but if she grew some hair on her legs and had a dong, she'd be just right."
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      Was it parked on the curb on garbage day?

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      09-19-2013 08:30 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Is this a serious comment?

      The CX5, new Mazda6 and Mazda3 have definitely moved away from the goofy grin.
      But you think they will keep the old grin instead of going with the new corporate styling direction for the new MX5? Interesting.
      Quote Originally Posted by rbloedow View Post
      Have you paid any fscking attention to new Mazdas? The smile is fscking dead.
      What you fail to see is that all they did was move it upwards. The Miata will not have that kind of look. It will not have an upright grille. It will look more like the Alfa posted above with a below-the-bumper intake.
      "The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering."
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      09-19-2013 08:46 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by Harpoon View Post
      Hmmm, I'm seeing some Bugeye Sprite influence.
      no, you really arent.

      this is just leftover **** from a shed.



      idiot

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      09-19-2013 08:53 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by Sledge View Post
      What you fail to see is that all they did was move it upwards. The Miata will not have that kind of look. It will not have an upright grille. It will look more like the Alfa posted above with a below-the-bumper intake.
      That nose isn't just a smile moved up. It's a throwback design.




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      09-19-2013 09:14 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by SSLByron View Post
      That nose isn't just a smile moved up. It's a throwback design.
      You and your historical context, nuanced perspective and relevant knowledge... the intrawebz is no place for people like you. Go read a Nat Geo magazine or something.


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      09-19-2013 09:29 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by NathanDetroit View Post
      Why bother hiding it with tape? It looks just like the current MX-5.
      Its looked the same since 1989 pretty much. All theyve done is change the tail lights and punch it in the nose.

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      09-19-2013 09:43 PM #18
      It still has the smiley face? Ugh Mazda you'll never learn

      Do not want
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      09-19-2013 09:44 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by rlfletch View Post
      Yes please.

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      09-19-2013 10:04 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by makasay View Post
      It still has the smiley face? Ugh Mazda you'll never learn

      Do not want
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      09-19-2013 10:06 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by rconn14 View Post
      Do you read?
      sarcasm meter is broken I see?

      EDIT: Plus I love the NC Miata and don't mind the smiley face Mazda's
      Last edited by makasay; 09-19-2013 at 10:10 PM.
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      09-19-2013 10:09 PM #22
      Looks like the current Miata but with a bunch of electrical tape on it.

      WTF is up with those headlights?







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      09-19-2013 10:10 PM #23
      Ok...did anyone get grossed out by this photo?



      When I saw those headlights, I immediately thought of something like this:


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      09-20-2013 07:34 AM #24
      Sigh. So many people don't know what a mule is.
      It's the automotive version of this:


      It's a next gen miata wearing a current gen miata suit.

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      09-20-2013 08:47 AM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by yurikaze View Post
      Sigh. So many people don't know what a mule is.
      It's the automotive version of this:


      It's a next gen miata wearing a current gen miata suit.
      In defense of the people jumping to the wrong conclusion... the thread title says "first spy shots of" not "test mile seen".
      Seeing a test mile is completely different than catching the actual pre-production car out in camouflage running around.
      But just looking at these pics of this cobbled together from current exterior parts car.... they should still figure that out.

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