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      09-28-2013 06:25 PM #1
      Alright, I am starting this thread to help with the multiple questions in multiple threads across multiple sites. I will be posting this on TDIClub also. My hope is to explain and clarify the updates that are out there, both Firmware, and Maps on the RNS510. For simplification purposes, this is ONLY addressing the versions of the RNS510 that come from the factory in the NMS Passat 2012-2014.

      Firmware - This is the Operating system of the radio, and controls general functions.

      Map Data - It is just that, Map Data, it does not affect general operation of the Radio.

      VIM - Video In Motion. It allows you to watch a DVD Movie on the Radio while the car is moving. VIM appears to work on all versions of the Firmware, Map Updates DO NOT affect VIM. It has been tested on 4369 that comes on the K version RNS510's by several people and it does work.

      We will discuss the Firmware Versions first:

      2625 - Some VERY early 2012's came from the factory with this Firmware.
      3690/3696 - What most 2012/2013 RNS510's came with from the factory. It allowed TrafficLink to work. Works on E-J Units.
      4366 - Late 2013's came with this Firmware, and if you bought a J unit straight from a Continental dealer. Improved speed and responsiveness of the unit in general over the previous versions. Works on E-J Units.
      4369 - 2014's come with this. The Unit is a K Unit. There are small hardware changes within the unit, including a different drive controller and an IDE SSD. It is faster than a J Unit, but that is due to the SSD not the Firmware difference. It will ONLY work on a K Unit, as far as known at this point. Nobody has tried, because there is a High likely hood it will brick a J unit or older.
      5374 - Newer 2014's come with this. The Unit is a L Unit. There are small hardware changes within the unit, including a different drive controller and an IDE SSD. It is faster than a J Unit, but that is due to the SSD not the Firmware difference. It will ONLY work on a K/L Unit, as far as known at this point. Nobody has tried, because there is a High likely hood it will brick a J unit or older.

      Now the Map Updates:

      7870 - Known as V5, and contains 2011Q3 Map data from NavTeq. It is what most 2012/2013's came loaded with from the factory.
      7963 - Known as V6, and contains 2012Q3 Map data from Navteq. It appears that the 2014's are coming with this loaded from the factory. VW is not loading it, Continental is loading it before shipping it to the VW factory. The update does exist from various 3rd party sources for the 2012/2013's.
      7994 - Known as V5.2, and contains 2011Q3 Map data from Navteq. It is the Map disc VW recently shipped to all 2013 owners. It is the same data as what come from the factory, but appears to reorganize it to improve access to it when using the NAV functions.
      8050 - Known as V7, and contains 2013Q1 Map data from Navteq. It appears that the newer 2014's with L Units are coming with this loaded from the factory. VW is not loading it, Continental is loading it before shipping it to the VW factory. The update does exist from various 3rd party sources for the 2012/2013's, and from Navteq.
      8112 - Known as V8, and contains 2013Q3 Map data from Navteq. It appears that some of the newer 2014's are coming with this loaded from the factory. VW is not loading it, Continental is loading it before shipping it to the VW factory. The update does exist from various 3rd party sources for the 2012/2013's, and from Navteq.
      8213 - Known as V9, and contains 2014Q1 Map data from Navteq. The update does exist from various 3rd party sources, and from Navteq.

      All Map updates Discs can only be attained by visiting the following site:
      http://www.navigation.com/vw

      These updates are provided by Navteq.

      Hope this helps to clarify. If anybody has anything to add, post it, and if it is pertinent I will edit the above or add it.
      Last edited by LokiWolf; 01-04-2015 at 06:34 PM.

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      09-29-2013 01:45 AM #2
      I just received that 7994 disc in the mail from VW. Anyone that's installed it already have any comments on differences? I would also really want to know if it will eliminate my VIM hack.

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      09-29-2013 09:46 AM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by Ewing- View Post
      I just received that 7994 disc in the mail from VW. Anyone that's installed it already have any comments on differences? I would also really want to know if it will eliminate my VIM hack.
      It WILL NOT eliminate your VIM hack, like I said above. A Map update like 7994 has NO effect on VIM.

      Please read above that I posted. It will answer most of your questions.

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    6. 09-29-2013 08:57 PM #4
      As always, thanks for this concise summary LokiWolf. I also received the 5.2 update in the mail. Odd since dealerships were charging some real money for the maps UG not that long ago.

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      09-30-2013 04:38 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by dr. pimento View Post
      I have a 2013 Passat with RNS-510. Below are before and after photos after applying the update DVD provided free of charge by VW...
      Thanks??? We are well aware of the fact that the Map version will change. It is a Map Update disc. What I was trying to get across as part of my post, was that you are not gaining ANY additional Map Data. IT is the EXACT same data. It reorganizes the index slightly to help with accessing it a bit faster.

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      09-30-2013 07:31 PM #6
      How long ago did you guys receive the disc in the mail?
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      10-01-2013 12:49 PM #7
      Loki... Early build 12s even had a lower firmware... 26xx something. I saw the forum threads on the 3696 upgrades and had to pressure like pulling teeth the dealer to also apply to my Passat as it was marked for 3000 (may have been the 3690) series to 3696. They (once agreed and I gave then their teeth back) did the 26xx-3000 (sorry can't remember) then 3xxx-3696.

      I just remember that as I had a Passat and Tig, both 12s, months apart. The Tig had the higher. They applied the update to 3696 no pressure on the Tig, but for the earlier FW on the Passat it was literally like pulling teeth (but did get the upgrade).

      Long way of saying, you may want to add a note for early 12 build Passats of a 26xx series. (I'm on 4366 now!)

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      10-01-2013 12:54 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by pbafire View Post
      Loki... Early build 12s even had a lower firmware... 26xx something. I saw the forum threads on the 3696 upgrades and had to pressure like pulling teeth the dealer to also apply to my Passat as it was marked for 3000 (may have been the 3690) series to 3696. They (once agreed and I gave then their teeth back) did the 26xx-3000 (sorry can't remember) then 3xxx-3696.

      I just remember that as I had a Passat and Tig, both 12s, months apart. The Tig had the higher. They applied the update to 3696 no pressure on the Tig, but for the earlier FW on the Passat it was literally like pulling teeth (but did get the upgrade).

      Long way of saying, you may want to add a note for early 12 build Passats of a 26xx series. (I'm on 4366 now!)
      Thanks! Awesome info. I'll do a little homework, and figure out the exact Firmware revision and add it.

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      10-01-2013 06:41 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by ArgyleVR6 View Post
      How long ago did you guys receive the disc in the mail?
      bought mine in late july 2013 and received the dvd last week....

      seems like it's a random process, but looks like all owners of '13 with rns 510 will get the disc....

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      10-01-2013 07:02 PM #10
      With reference to the 7944 disk that '13 owners are now receiving, if this disk is installed over a 7963 install, will it back level the map data or will it just reorganize it to improve access to it when using the NAV functions?

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      10-01-2013 07:13 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by MUG318 View Post
      With reference to the 7944 disk that '13 owners are now receiving, if this disk is installed over a 7963 install, will it back level the map data or will it just reorganize it to improve access to it when using the NAV functions?
      By saying 7944 disk, I assume you meant to say 7994 disk (map data Version 5.2, 2011 Q3). Compared to 7963 (Version 6, 2012 Q3), it is an older map data.

      So, yes, if you installed 7994 over 7963, you're actually getting older map data.
      If I were you, I wouldn't do that.
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      10-01-2013 07:35 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by cnnpress View Post
      By saying 7944 disk, I assume you meant to say 7994 disk (map data Version 5.2, 2011 Q3). Compared to 7963 (Version 6, 2012 Q4), it is an older map data.

      So, yes, if you installed 7994 over 7963, you're actually getting older map data.
      If I were you, I wouldn't do that.
      What he said...

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      10-01-2013 11:58 PM #13
      Roger that.

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      10-02-2013 01:59 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by LokiWolf View Post
      Thanks! Awesome info. I'll do a little homework, and figure out the exact Firmware revision and add it.
      It's prob in my old posts, just hard to search fm phone and away fm CPU at the moment.

      On edit: found it...
      Passat during 10K service flashed RNS510 FW 2625 to 3696 (2625-via 3680-3696 to be exact). Early build 12, took delivery OCT 2011.

      Tiguan build and delivery was later for me ... like Jan 12 delivery, I think. it had 3680 default so just went 3680-3696 there.

      I see you added the 2625 note already. Thanks!
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      11-06-2013 02:34 PM #15
      Hi can anyone help
      I've tried to ask this on tdi forum but my account was closed?!?
      I have: T0035680H
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      Is it possible to update it and if yes how without going to see Vw dealer
      Thank you

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      11-06-2013 03:23 PM #16
      PM me here. I tried to reply to you on TDI Club, but your account did not allow PM's. Did you ever verify your account when it sent you an e-mail at TDIClub?

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      11-07-2013 03:34 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by Mac Tdi View Post
      Hi can anyone help
      I've tried to ask this on tdi forum but my account was closed?!?
      I have: T0035680H
      HW H70
      SW 4120
      Map 7690
      Is it possible to update it and if yes how without going to see Vw dealer
      Thank you

      Hi.

      Here is about the North American RNS 510, from your model #, SW and Map, it looked like you're from EU.
      But if you're from NA and bough a EU model, then I don't know if it's possible to convert it to a NA model.
      Someone with better knowledge will probably confirm.
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    20. 11-08-2013 10:51 AM #18
      Loki, I PM'd you a few days back but I saw your response on another site about some people not being able to receive PM's. Let me know if I'm one of them, I've been around for a while and pretty sure I've got them in the past

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      11-08-2013 11:00 AM #19
      Hi LokiWolf,
      I did complained to tdi forum and now my account is up and running.

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      11-08-2013 03:18 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by Tarmac Eater View Post
      Hi.

      Here is about the North American RNS 510, from your model #, SW and Map, it looked like you're from EU.
      But if you're from NA and bough a EU model, then I don't know if it's possible to convert it to a NA model.
      Someone with better knowledge will probably confirm.
      Good catch. Correct. This firmware is for the 510 version in the NMS Passat. The one in the B7 Passat sold in the EU is a different version of the 510.

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      11-18-2013 12:38 AM #21
      Nice thread and good info (in both forums). It is unfortunate we have to jump through these hoops to get a headunit working smoothly.
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      11-19-2013 07:08 PM #22
      Lets make further comments regarding the RNS510 here...

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      12-05-2013 03:57 PM #23
      Hey guys - first post in the VW world in 7-8 years....but I'm back in the family.

      I just picked up a used 2013 SEL V6 Passat. It has the 3696 firmware and the 7870 maps file.

      Given the above info, I'm headed into my local VW dealer to get my RNS510 firmware updated to 4366.

      I'd like to upgrade from 7870 to 7994, but....
      • The dealer knows nothing.
      • VW, after 3 calls to national, doesn't have the v5.2 discs anymore (they were apparently mailed out directly from Navteq)
      • Navteq doesn't have the 7994 (v5.2) any more....and they call their latest v5 version "v5M"


      Any idea where I can get a 7994/5.2 CD/data file/whatever? Anything to improve this sluggish lump in my dash (which, weirdly, I otherwise love).

      Thanks!

      (Also of note...apparently v6 of their stuff bricks the RNS510 so they're not distributing it at all. The guy I talked to said that Navteq is waiting until the May version upgrade for any map updates).

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      12-06-2013 12:01 AM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by foolio_jones View Post
      Hey guys - first post in the VW world in 7-8 years....but I'm back in the family.

      I just picked up a used 2013 SEL V6 Passat. It has the 3696 firmware and the 7870 maps file.

      Given the above info, I'm headed into my local VW dealer to get my RNS510 firmware updated to 4366.

      I'd like to upgrade from 7870 to 7994, but....
      • The dealer knows nothing.
      • VW, after 3 calls to national, doesn't have the v5.2 discs anymore (they were apparently mailed out directly from Navteq)
      • Navteq doesn't have the 7994 (v5.2) any more....and they call their latest v5 version "v5M"


      Any idea where I can get a 7994/5.2 CD/data file/whatever? Anything to improve this sluggish lump in my dash (which, weirdly, I otherwise love).

      Thanks!

      (Also of note...apparently v6 of their stuff bricks the RNS510 so they're not distributing it at all. The guy I talked to said that Navteq is waiting until the May version upgrade for any map updates).
      Welcome back to VW, now go read the first post in this thread, and the rest of the thread while you are at it.

      Three key points:
      1). I know of only 1 dealer that has access to a 4366 Firmware disc, mine, because I gave it to them. VW is not providing it to them.

      2). V6M(7963) does NOT brick the unit. Whoever told you that is a moron. In some cases it can be difficult to load, but I have heard of NOBODY bricking there unit by loading it. Some have had to load the V5.2M(7994), to get their Map data back, but I only know of 2.

      3). The newest units in the 2014's are the K units and come from the factory with V6M(7963) loaded.

      Again, I suggest you read this thread, and not believe the random customer service person at the other end of the 1800 numbers you have been calling who hasn't even used a RNS510, yet alone done the homework to figure them out.

      Again, welcome back to VW, and happy reading.

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      12-06-2013 02:11 AM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by LokiWolf View Post
      Welcome back to VW, now go read the first post in this thread, and the rest of the thread while you are at it.

      Three key points:
      1). I know of only 1 dealer that has access to a 4366 Firmware disc, mine, because I gave it to them. VW is not providing it to them.

      2). V6M(7963) does NOT brick the unit. Whoever told you that is a moron. In some cases it can be difficult to load, but I have heard of NOBODY bricking there unit by loading it. Some have had to load the V5.2M(7994), to get their Map data back, but I only know of 2.

      3). The newest units in the 2014's are the K units and come from the factory with V6M(7963) loaded.

      Again, I suggest you read this thread, and not believe the random customer service person at the other end of the 1800 numbers you have been calling who hasn't even used a RNS510, yet alone done the homework to figure them out.

      Again, welcome back to VW, and happy reading.
      X2 what he said

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