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    1. 09-30-2013 08:18 PM #1
      Hey guys,

      Shopping for a new DD for myself, looking for something in the 25(ish)k that can tow my 350z to track days if need be. I would also like it to be an enjoyable drive and get decent MPG.

      I have come up with two choices so far:

      2009 fx35 - basically a sport sedan on stilts, rwd, lots if similar components to my Z so i am very comfortable with maintenance or repairs.

      2009-10 Audi Q5 3.2 - also a decent drive but not quite as sporty as the fx, slightly better mpg despite awd, and can tow a little more. Downsides are potentially expensive repairs and maintenance costs.

      Are there any cars i am missing? 2010 MDX is out of my price range and the RX is too boring.
      I do not really want a track and i am open to traditional body-on-frame SUVs but the MPGs turn me off.

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      09-30-2013 08:19 PM #2
      Touareg /thread

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      09-30-2013 08:24 PM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by Aonarch View Post
      Touareg /thread
      I'm pretty anti-Audi SUV. I've had too many problems with them.
      On the other side, I've had zero problems with 06 and newer Range Rovers, Range Rover Sports, and LR3's. Plenty of those for 25k. I usually got 20mpg in the Range Rover on my 80 mile commute.
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      09-30-2013 08:25 PM #4
      Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade

      If I am towing anything, its with one of those.

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      09-30-2013 08:26 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by slomofo. View Post
      I'm pretty anti-Audi SUV. I've had too many problems with them.
      On the other side, I've had zero problems with 06 and newer Range Rovers, Range Rover Sports, and LR3's. Plenty of those for 25k.
      Hows your R been?

    7. 09-30-2013 08:33 PM #6
      JGC or maybe Ridgeline. The Ridgeline may not have enough power???

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      09-30-2013 08:36 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by mac dre View Post
      Hows your R been?
      Trouble free. I've been super pleased. It's already had the balance shaft repair performed prior to my ownership so I'm lucky there - free at MB dealer anyway. I have done plugs and a transmission service and that's it.

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      09-30-2013 08:36 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by slomofo. View Post
      I'm pretty anti-Audi SUV. I've had too many problems with them.
      On the other side, I've had zero problems with 06 and newer Range Rovers, Range Rover Sports, and LR3's. Plenty of those for 25k. I usually got 20mpg in the Range Rover on my 80 mile commute.
      Yeah - you can't get the Treg TDI for $25k but - it tows my S4 flawlessly and gets 19mpg at 70mph while doing so...........29mpg when not towing. It's had a couple minor things replaced under warranty but we've put 65lk on it in less than 3 years.......


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      09-30-2013 08:46 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
      Yeah - you can't get the Treg TDI for $25k but - it tows my S4 flawlessly and gets 19mpg at 70mph while doing so...........29mpg when not towing. It's had a couple minor things replaced under warranty but we've put 65lk on it in less than 3 years.......

      Funny thing Joe, the Touareg is far more trouble free than the Q7 in my experience, even though they are the same platform.

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      09-30-2013 08:49 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by slomofo. View Post
      Funny thing Joe, the Touareg is far more trouble free than the Q7 in my experience, even though they are the same platform.
      Yeah - this is the best VAG car I've owned and well I've owned way too many. I wouldn't touch anything earlier than an 09 though - although the 07/08's aren't bad. I wouldn't own it if it wasn't a TDI though.

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      09-30-2013 08:51 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
      Yeah - this is the best VAG car I've owned and well I've owned way too many. I wouldn't touch anything earlier than an 09 though - although the 07/08's aren't bad. I wouldn't own it if it wasn't a TDI though.
      So you have the 6cyl TDI? After owning countless water cooled dubs myself, I agree. The Touareg is probably one of a small handful of newer VW's I'd own.

    13. 09-30-2013 09:04 PM #12
      Ill start looking at touregs too.

      Funny thing, i was sort of lusting over range rovers as well but figured i was insane. Are they as terrible as everyone says they are? I LOVE third gen range rovers.

      EDIT: jesus, whats the deal with TDI Touareg prices?
      Last edited by Vash350z; 09-30-2013 at 09:15 PM.

    14. 09-30-2013 09:21 PM #13
      Your 350Z on a proper car hauler is going to weigh in over 5000 pounds, so I'd recommend you find a vehicle rated for at least 7000 pounds towing capacity in order to have a safe reserve.

      Quote Originally Posted by JJS119 View Post
      Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade
      This is my first suggestion. For a DD where fuel economy is a concern, go for a 5.3L example (though the upgraded axle ratio would be a wise choice). If you select a long wheelbase model--Suburban or Yukon XL--you'll have added stability and control when towing, which is a huge plus.
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    15. 09-30-2013 09:22 PM #14
      While fun to drive is out the window, if daily driven with tow duties I'd love an avalanche...


    16. 09-30-2013 09:27 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by TurboMinivan View Post
      Your 350Z on a proper car hauler is going to weigh in over 5000 pounds, so I'd recommend you find a vehicle rated for at least 7000 pounds towing capacity in order to have a safe reserve.



      This is my first suggestion. For a DD where fuel economy is a concern, go for a 5.3L example (though the upgraded axle ratio would be a wise choice). If you select a long wheelbase model--Suburban or Yukon XL--you'll have added stability and control when towing, which is a huge plus.
      That much? I was figuring closer to 4000, 3200lbs car + basic trailer.

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      09-30-2013 09:31 PM #16
      If you get a Yukon/Tahoe with the LT Auto ride, it won't squat.

      Thing about towing isn't HP, or even weight. It is your braking capacity. This is where your towing capacity gets a very large portion of its rating. I would go further and tell you to get a trailer with at least 1 axle set having brakes. Shorter wheelbase vehicles aren't known for their sway control. They get tossed around real good. If that happens, a simple application of your brake controllers actuator can help.

      If you want something to just tow and not be a DD, get a Ford E350. Dirt cheap to operate, run, and tows wonderfully. I prefer backing a trailer with a E350 EXT than any other vehicle.

    18. 09-30-2013 09:33 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by Vash350z View Post
      That much? I was figuring closer to 4000, 3200lbs car + basic trailer.
      A nice aluminum trailer will be over 1000, plus car, plus restraints, etc...

      I've towed with short wheel base vehicles as well was vehicles with rear axles sprung on the soft side. It sucks. My father has a trailblazer ss, which has plenty of power to tow, but it is just not that composed...

      If you actually tow get a heavier vehicle with a longer wheel base and you'll appreciate it...

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      09-30-2013 09:40 PM #18
      What about an XC90? They are rated to 4900 lbs and are often used to tow boats





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      09-30-2013 09:44 PM #19
      At your load estimates I am sorry but I think your are BOF SUVs. And the best of the breed is the GMT800s.
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      09-30-2013 09:48 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by Vash350z View Post
      Ill start looking at touregs too.

      Funny thing, i was sort of lusting over range rovers as well but figured i was insane. Are they as terrible as everyone says they are? I LOVE third gen range rovers.

      EDIT: jesus, whats the deal with TDI Touareg prices?
      06 and newer Rovers are the most reliable SUV I saw in my shop. They came in for brakes, tires, and oil changes. My brother went from an FX45 to an ML500 to a Rover Sport and he's been happiest with the Sport. No problems at 95k. 05 and earlier Rovers are troublesome

    22. 09-30-2013 10:10 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by Vash350z View Post
      That much? I was figuring closer to 4000, 3200lbs car + basic trailer.
      My personal car hauler--a 16' PJ which is admittedly not made of aluminum (other than the fenders)--weighs 1800 pounds all by itself. Even if your car is relatively svelte at a mere 3200 pounds, well, there's 5000 total... and that isn't accounting for anything else you might bring along such as an extra set of wheels/tires, etc.

      Here is my setup:



      My Jeep is significantly heavier than your car, plus it gets loaded down with tools and other gear. As a result, my total trailer weight is approaching 6000 pounds.

      Quote Originally Posted by dodger21 View Post
      If you get a Yukon/Tahoe with the LT Auto ride, it won't squat.
      My Suburban has AutoRide, but I disabled it since the former owner replaced the front air shocks with non-air ones instead. Even without the air assist, my tail squats less than 1" when I drop 500-odd pounds of tongue weight on it (as seen in the photo), but that's because my Suburban is a heavy-duty 2500 rather than a 1500 model.

      Quote Originally Posted by dodger21 View Post
      Thing about towing isn't HP, or even weight. It is your braking capacity. This is where your towing capacity gets a very large portion of its rating. I would go further and tell you to get a trailer with at least 1 axle set having brakes. Shorter wheelbase vehicles aren't known for their sway control. They get tossed around real good. If that happens, a simple application of your brake controllers actuator can help.
      This is all great advice, and I readily endorse all of it. That's why I went with a 2500 tow rig: much better control in all situations. BTW, my trailer has electric brakes on one axle, and I wouldn't dream of towing this sort of load without them.
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      09-30-2013 10:11 PM #22
      My boss had a 2011 Q5 3.2, I drove it a lot for business related things, probably racked up about 5000 miles in it total. It's very nice place to be, I loved the panoramic roof during the summertime, it's decently quick and responsive, the induction sound sounds great all the way up to 7000 rpms too

      That said, you'll most likely run into carbon build up issues, his had to be cleaned out at about 45k or 50k miles, and the bill was around $2000. Luckily it was covered under warranty. I don't think it ever had any other problems though.

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      09-30-2013 10:14 PM #23
      If it were me I'd get an F150 or Silverado. Its fun to DD a truck, I daily'd an F150 through high school. The new ones are pretty damn nice inside. Comparatively cheap, reliable, and will tow your car + trailer + tools + gear and clothes without a problem.
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    26. 09-30-2013 10:31 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by TurboMinivan View Post
      My personal car hauler--a 16' PJ which is admittedly not made of aluminum (other than the fenders)--weighs 1800 pounds all by itself. Even if your car is relatively svelte at a mere 3200 pounds, well, there's 5000 total... and that isn't accounting for anything else you might bring along such as an extra set of wheels/tires, etc.

      Here is my setup:


      My Jeep is significantly heavier than your car, plus it gets loaded down with tools and other gear. As a result, my total trailer weight is approaching 6000 pounds.



      My Suburban has AutoRide, but I disabled it since the former owner replaced the front air shocks with non-air ones instead. Even without the air assist, my tail squats less than 1" when I drop 500-odd pounds of tongue weight on it (as seen in the photo), but that's because my Suburban is a heavy-duty 2500 rather than a 1500 model.



      This is all great advice, and I readily endorse all of it. That's why I went with a 2500 tow rig: much better control in all situations. BTW, my trailer has electric brakes on one axle, and I wouldn't dream of towing this sort of load without them.
      No disagreement, but in my experience I'd much rather a LWB vehicle sans brake controller opposed to a SWB vehicle with. I've towed with

      1996 5.2L zj
      K20 suburban
      Trailblazer ss
      1995 1500 Silverado
      1995 12V CTD
      24V CTD
      6 liter F250's

      Nothing made towing feel more calm and composed than wheelbase. I've had a brake controller in every truck I've towed with but don't always use it in the 3/4 ton trucks.

      ZJ was SCARY to tow with. But I also know 3/4 ton trucks suck to drive daily. If I needed a daily tht could tow it would be a modern 1/2 ton platform, which is why I like the avalance..

      I'd also consider current gen 1500 ram with hemi.

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