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      Designed and developed to give the enthusiast driver the ultimate in luxury, engagement and excitement

      • The McLaren 650S will offer the widest breadth of capabilities of any supercar
      • Coupé and Spider, with electrically retractable hardtop, to be available from Spring 2014 launch
      • Joins McLaren’s range of supercars above 12C, which continues on sale
      • Uniquely enhanced active aerodynamics and ProActive Chassis Control systems optimise the capabilities and usability


      McLaren Automotive will return to the International Geneva Motor Show this year with its fastest, most engaging, best equipped and most beautiful series-production supercar yet.

      The McLaren 650S joins the range as an additional model alongside the 12C and sold-out McLaren P1™, and learns from both models as well as 50 years of competing in the highest levels of motorsport. Available as a fixed-head coupé or as a Spider, with a retractable folding hard top, the McLaren 650S promises to redefine the high performance supercar segment, and has been designed and developed to provide the ultimate in driver engagement on the road and on the race track.

      The 650S badge designation refers to the power output – 650PS (641 bhp) – of the unique British-built McLaren M838T twin turbo V8 engine. ‘S’ stands for ‘Sport’, underlining the focus and developments made to handling, transmission, drivability and engagement. Performance figures will be confirmed ahead of the Geneva Show but will improve on the already rapid 12C which continues on sale.

      The design is inspired by the McLaren P1™, previewing a new family design language. The front bumper gives the McLaren 650S a dramatic, yet clean appearance and sits below new LED headlamps which reflect a similar look to the McLaren P1™. The more integrated front splitter contributes to increased levels of downforce, giving a greater level of steering feeling and confidence to the driver on turn-in, while also adding to the agility and the car’s handling balance. Unique door blades behind the front wheels direct air from the trailing edges of the front splitter, further benefiting front-end grip and vehicle balance.

      The aerodynamic performance of the McLaren 650S is as efficient as the 12C, boasting the same drag coefficient figure, yet the air is being worked harder and more efficiently as it flows over, and through, the functional bodywork. At 150 mph, downforce levels are increased by 24 percent.

      ‘As always with McLaren, the new design is there for good engineering reasons,' says McLaren Automotive CEO Mike Flewitt. ‘The newly designed front bumper improves downforce and steering turn-in. The high speed handling balance is now even better. The LED lights use less power and last longer.'

      Unique side intakes behind the dihedral doors feed large, efficiently packaged, radiators which help provide the cooling requirements of the mid-mounted, compact engine. A new design five-spoke lightweight forged ‘650S’ alloy wheel is unique to the model, and are fitted with Pirelli P Zero™ Corsa tyres to offer optimised roadholding, handling and driver feedback – the bespoke ‘MC1’ branded tyres have been developed alongside the McLaren 650S by McLaren technology partner Pirelli, and offer strong performance in normal road conditions and on track.

      The McLaren 650S builds on experience from success on the track, and groundbreaking technologies fitted to other McLaren models. Active aerodynamics, which feature on both the 12C and McLaren P1™, have been further developed and honed to ensure the ultimate performance and ability for the McLaren 650S. The McLaren Airbrake, originally fitted to the 12C and 12C Spider and designed to offer optimised levels of downforce on the rear of the car, now operates with a greater level of functionality providing increased stability. The newly developed system means the Airbrake deploys whenever the car senses extra downforce is advisable – rather than simply under braking or when manually operated in ‘Aero’ mode. Below the Airbrake, a distinctive rear three-piece bumper, similar to the GT3 racing version of the 12C, compliments the aerodynamic shaping of the McLaren 650S.

      The pioneering ProActive Chassis Control (PCC) suspension system, developed by McLaren, has been further enhanced for the McLaren 650S. A feature of the system is the ability to adjust the ride and handling modes – Normal / Sport / Track – in isolation from the drivetrain, which gives complete freedom in terms of ride and handling. These settings, for both powertrain and suspension, have been recalibrated to improve driver engagement. The updates are especially noticeable in Sport mode.

      ‘McLaren is a fast moving company, continually striving for improvements and technical advantages. We are always seeking to innovate, to be the class leaders, to bring new technologies and thinking to market. That’s our Formula 1 heritage shining through,’ explains Mike Flewitt. ‘Everything we’ve learnt from the 12C and the McLaren P1™ has gone into the design and development of the McLaren 650S.’

      The McLaren 650S is designed to be the best and most engaging driver’s car in its class, yet it is not a stripped out road racer. Ride comfort and refinement are to executive saloon standards. The McLaren 650S models are equipped with IRIS satellite navigation with Bluetooth telephony, DAB digital radio (SIRIUS satellite radio in North America), wireless tethering, audio streaming and voice control as standard, while also offering enhanced levels of optional specification than previously offered. Options include fixed-back carbon racing seats, based on the lightweight design found in the McLaren P1™, an electric steering column adjustment assisting ingress and egress, a rear parking camera and extended carbon fibre throughout the interior.

      The global reveal of the McLaren 650S Coupéand Spider will take place on Stand 1240, Hall 1 at 12.00CET (11.00GMT) on Tuesday, 4 March 2014 at the 84th International Geneva Motor Show.
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      02-15-2014 07:17 PM #3
      Here's the first official photo that has leaked out:



      And here are a couple of images said to have come from a video that I can't seem to find.





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      02-15-2014 07:32 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by Peloton25 View Post
      Here's the first official photo that has leaked out:

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      if there was anyone I was hoping to leak this stuff, it was you.

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      02-15-2014 08:55 PM #7
      Know what you mean in regards to sharing it here, but if I had been the one to leak it you would have seen it back in mid-December as that's when I saw my first evidence of the new design.

      Blame for the leak belongs to those people at the Sunday Times - perhaps intentional, but it still seems a bit too early.

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    9. 02-16-2014 11:38 AM #8
      Peloton, do you know where this sits in the line-up? Is it a 12C replacement, a 12C "speciale", or a whole other model? I do wish McLaren would standardise the naming convention... depending on where this sits in the range it could be rather confusing:

      P1
      P13
      650S
      12C

      Smacks of TVR, and that's not good.

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      02-16-2014 01:24 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by allroad View Post
      Peloton, do you know where this sits in the line-up? Is it a 12C replacement, a 12C "speciale", or a whole other model? I do wish McLaren would standardise the naming convention... depending on where this sits in the range it could be rather confusing:

      P1
      P13
      650S
      12C

      Smacks of TVR, and that's not good.
      It's basically an upgraded 12 - a 12C Speciale.

      The lineup will look like this in a few years:

      P1
      P15
      12C/650S
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    11. 02-16-2014 02:03 PM #10
      That's the question; does it appear as an additional model as is badged "12C 650S" or "650S", or does it replace the 12C altogether and is badged as "650S"?

      Your list it should be as follows, and this really described the fragmentation of the naming standard:

      P1
      P15
      (12C)650S
      12C
      P13

      Why the heck would P15 be the faster/better/spendier car than a P13, when lower model number is better (P1 being the ultimate)? It's all very illogical from a company that specialises in clinical engineering.

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      02-16-2014 02:08 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by allroad View Post
      That's the question; does it appear as an additional model as is badged "12C 650S" or "650S", or does it replace the 12C altogether and is badged as "650S"?

      Your list it should be as follows, and this really described the fragmentation of the naming standard:

      P1
      P15
      (12C)650S
      12C
      P13

      Why the heck would P15 be the faster/better/spendier car than a P13, when lower model number is better (P1 being the ultimate)? It's all very illogical from a company that specialises in clinical engineering.
      The 650S is technically a separate model from the 12C, but McLaren is saying that if demand for the 650S heavily outweighs demand for the 12C, they're just going to stop making the 12C and only make the 650S.

      The P1 is named as such because it stands for pole position. I don't know if P13 and P15 are the final names for those cars, I think they could just be the development names (but the P13 is likely the final name for that one).
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    13. 02-16-2014 07:53 PM #12
      I know this sounds like I'm just saying the old joke, but...

      McLaren should make a shooting brake instead of a car that looks like other cars it already makes.

      The main point is that it needs a bigger difference. This type of thing works for Aston but isn't working for me with this probably b/c the lower models just look like muted versions. The 12c and the 650s just scream that it's no P1.
      At least Ferrari switches up engine location enough that even the styling, while related, is differentiated enough between models.

      It's like McLaren looked at Aston and said, "See, it works for them."

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      02-17-2014 12:41 AM #13
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      That's the question; does it appear as an additional model as is badged "12C 650S" or "650S", or does it replace the 12C altogether and is badged as "650S"?
      It is a new model based on the 12C just as the Spider, 12C GT3, 12C GT CanAm Edition and latest 12C GT Sprint have been. You could also include the limited run versions like the 12C High Sport, 12C Project Alpha, 12C Singapore Edition as well. The difference now is that McLaren have for a yet unexplained reason dropped the 12C portion of the name. They could have called the 650S the "12C S" and been far less confusing but I assume they have their reasons and hopefully they will be explained on Wednesday when the media embargo is lifted and we get the full details on the 650S. Maybe in addition to applying the corporate design language to the 12C they are also giving birth to a new naming convention for future McLaren models that will only begin to make sense when the next one comes along.

      So far McLaren have said that the 650S does not replace the 12C, but at the moment McLaren have halted production of the 12C so they can build the earliest 650S' - due to arrive in dealers around the world very shortly after the Geneva reveal. If and when the 12C returns to production the other thing they have not yet made clear is that if it will be unchanged, or if it will feature styling influences from the 650S. I find it hard to believe they could sell both in parallel or that many new customers would continue to choose the 12C over the 650S. The price delta between the two is said to be just around 10% more for the 650S and it will be dynamically superior.

      Why the heck would P15 be the faster/better/spendier car than a P13, when lower model number is better (P1 being the ultimate)? It's all very illogical from a company that specialises in clinical engineering.
      You are confusing a model name with internal project names.

      The new McLaren P1 hypercar was P12 from a project standpoint. P1 from a project standpoint goes all the way back to the origins of McLaren Cars in 1988 and the development of the McLaren F1. The 12C and its variants fall under P11. P15, from the latest rumors, is said to be a car that fills the gap between the P1 and the 12C/650S. P13 will be the Porsche-fighter or low range model. Don't bother to ask what P14 is - I've lost track in all the recent confusion coming out of the so called "journalists" in the news media.

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      02-17-2014 06:26 AM #14
      First pair of real 650S photos have been released by McLaren. Click to enlarge.





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      02-17-2014 06:57 AM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by Peloton25 View Post
      First pair of real 650S photos have been released by McLaren.
      That is beautifully purposeful. Also, I'm a sucker for blue.

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      That front end is a big improvement over the 12C.

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      I'm liking the front end less Gallardo looking

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      via Worldcarfans
      Designed and developed to give the enthusiast driver the ultimate in luxury, engagement and excitement

      • The McLaren 650S will offer the widest breadth of capabilities of any supercar
      • Coupé and Spider, with electrically retractable hardtop, to be available from Spring 2014 launch
      • Joins McLaren’s range of supercars above 12C, which continues on sale
      • Uniquely enhanced active aerodynamics and ProActive Chassis Control systems optimise the capabilities and usability


      McLaren Automotive will return to the International Geneva Motor Show this year with its fastest, most engaging, best equipped and most beautiful series-production supercar yet.

      The McLaren 650S joins the range as an additional model alongside the 12C and sold-out McLaren P1™, and learns from both models as well as 50 years of competing in the highest levels of motorsport. Available as a fixed-head coupé or as a Spider, with a retractable folding hard top, the McLaren 650S promises to redefine the high performance supercar segment, and has been designed and developed to provide the ultimate in driver engagement on the road and on the race track.

      The 650S badge designation refers to the power output – 650PS (641 bhp) – of the unique British-built McLaren M838T twin turbo V8 engine. ‘S’ stands for ‘Sport’, underlining the focus and developments made to handling, transmission, drivability and engagement. Performance figures will be confirmed ahead of the Geneva Show but will improve on the already rapid 12C which continues on sale.

      The design is inspired by the McLaren P1™, previewing a new family design language. The front bumper gives the McLaren 650S a dramatic, yet clean appearance and sits below new LED headlamps which reflect a similar look to the McLaren P1™. The more integrated front splitter contributes to increased levels of downforce, giving a greater level of steering feeling and confidence to the driver on turn-in, while also adding to the agility and the car’s handling balance. Unique door blades behind the front wheels direct air from the trailing edges of the front splitter, further benefiting front-end grip and vehicle balance.

      The aerodynamic performance of the McLaren 650S is as efficient as the 12C, boasting the same drag coefficient figure, yet the air is being worked harder and more efficiently as it flows over, and through, the functional bodywork. At 150 mph, downforce levels are increased by 24 percent.

      ‘As always with McLaren, the new design is there for good engineering reasons,' says McLaren Automotive CEO Mike Flewitt. ‘The newly designed front bumper improves downforce and steering turn-in. The high speed handling balance is now even better. The LED lights use less power and last longer.'

      Unique side intakes behind the dihedral doors feed large, efficiently packaged, radiators which help provide the cooling requirements of the mid-mounted, compact engine. A new design five-spoke lightweight forged ‘650S’ alloy wheel is unique to the model, and are fitted with Pirelli P Zero™ Corsa tyres to offer optimised roadholding, handling and driver feedback – the bespoke ‘MC1’ branded tyres have been developed alongside the McLaren 650S by McLaren technology partner Pirelli, and offer strong performance in normal road conditions and on track.

      The McLaren 650S builds on experience from success on the track, and groundbreaking technologies fitted to other McLaren models. Active aerodynamics, which feature on both the 12C and McLaren P1™, have been further developed and honed to ensure the ultimate performance and ability for the McLaren 650S. The McLaren Airbrake, originally fitted to the 12C and 12C Spider and designed to offer optimised levels of downforce on the rear of the car, now operates with a greater level of functionality providing increased stability. The newly developed system means the Airbrake deploys whenever the car senses extra downforce is advisable – rather than simply under braking or when manually operated in ‘Aero’ mode. Below the Airbrake, a distinctive rear three-piece bumper, similar to the GT3 racing version of the 12C, compliments the aerodynamic shaping of the McLaren 650S.

      The pioneering ProActive Chassis Control (PCC) suspension system, developed by McLaren, has been further enhanced for the McLaren 650S. A feature of the system is the ability to adjust the ride and handling modes – Normal / Sport / Track – in isolation from the drivetrain, which gives complete freedom in terms of ride and handling. These settings, for both powertrain and suspension, have been recalibrated to improve driver engagement. The updates are especially noticeable in Sport mode.

      ‘McLaren is a fast moving company, continually striving for improvements and technical advantages. We are always seeking to innovate, to be the class leaders, to bring new technologies and thinking to market. That’s our Formula 1 heritage shining through,’ explains Mike Flewitt. ‘Everything we’ve learnt from the 12C and the McLaren P1™ has gone into the design and development of the McLaren 650S.’

      The McLaren 650S is designed to be the best and most engaging driver’s car in its class, yet it is not a stripped out road racer. Ride comfort and refinement are to executive saloon standards. The McLaren 650S models are equipped with IRIS satellite navigation with Bluetooth telephony, DAB digital radio (SIRIUS satellite radio in North America), wireless tethering, audio streaming and voice control as standard, while also offering enhanced levels of optional specification than previously offered. Options include fixed-back carbon racing seats, based on the lightweight design found in the McLaren P1™, an electric steering column adjustment assisting ingress and egress, a rear parking camera and extended carbon fibre throughout the interior.

      The global reveal of the McLaren 650S Coupéand Spider will take place on Stand 1240, Hall 1 at 12.00CET (11.00GMT) on Tuesday, 4 March 2014 at the 84th International Geneva Motor Show.
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      So much better. My only problem is that they kept all the 1980's slats in the rear.

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      02-19-2014 05:23 AM #21
      Great read here:

      "More fun" from McLaren - PH talks to McLaren's engineering head Dan Parry-Williams about the new 650S.

      McLaren 650S - official - PistonHeads

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      McLaren just informed us that the first example of its new 650S rolled off the production line in Woking, but more importantly, it shared the performance numbers of the 12C-based and P1-nosed supercar, which it says, is faster than the legendary F1.

      In particular, the 641hp (650PS) 3.8-liter twin-turbo 650S races to 100km/h (62mph) from rest in 3.0 seconds and to 200km/h (124mph) in 8.4 seconds, or an entire second faster than the F1.

      It also completes the quarter mile (400m) in 10.5 seconds or 0.6 seconds less than the F1 and 0.5 seconds quicker than the 12C, and boasts a top speed of 333km/h (207mph).

      And just in case fuel economy is of any concern, McLaren promises an admittedly, rather optimistic, combined figure of 24.2mpg UK (equal to 20.1mpg US or 11.7l/100km) on the EU cycle, with CO2 emissions of 275 g/km, which the British firms says makes it "one of the most efficient models in class".

      In the UK, the new 650S Coupe is priced from £195,250 and its retractable-top Spider sibling from £215,250, or about £20,000 more than the respective 12C models.

      We'll have more on the 650S from the Geneva show next week, where the McLaren model will celebrate its world premiere.
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