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      04-16-2016 01:43 AM #101
      Quote Originally Posted by burnthesheep View Post
      I don't want to buy stuff I don't need, but wanted some advice.

      My back has started to be uncomfortable on longer rides. It appears I'm sized correctly, had a friend confirm. Online I see some people put on clip-on aero bars not to go "faster" but also to help the back out.

      Would those help my back out some? I could care less if it's more aero, just some back relief would be nice.

      Two things I am going to suggest:

      1. Start doing 30 min core and general mobility exercises, twice a week. After each ride, do a 10-20 minute stretch, particularly that of your QL (look it up). If you don't have a foam roller yet, get one. Worst case, use a towel.

      2. Most definitely go and see a bike fitting specialist. I keep on repeating this over and over again, but this is going to be your best investment as far as riding is concerned.

      PS. Clip-on bars are only a solution if you are going to be competing in a time trial on a road bike.

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    3. 04-19-2016 03:14 PM #102
      I'll give the fit a shot. No bars for sure.

      I already do a bit of core/stretching stuff at the gym during the week. Enough to have to do a burrito roll out of bed twice a week. Roman chair, floor wipers, and anything else my gym partner can think up in his evil mind, we try.

      I looked into this one, and saw some practical and some disturbing articles about your rear end and your saddle on longer rides too. Again, I think your idea of a fit could help here. But is a "pad insert" necessary if out for 2 hours? I don't have any function specific clothing for this and am weighing my budget versus my comfort. I'm using my weight lifting leggings with shorts over them and just a tighter gym shirt to go out. But any "relief" in this ahem.....area....would be appreciated.

    4. 04-19-2016 03:21 PM #103
      I think "necessary" is going to be completely up to the individual in terms of sweat, saddle, saddle fit etc. For me personally? I sweat like a fat kid at the beach and need a chamois for just about any ride.

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      04-19-2016 08:55 PM #104
      If you're planning on riding over 1hr, I'd definitely recommend a pair of cycling shorts. Just be sure to wear them properly.. (no underwear).

      Getting a saddle that fits you is going to be the most challenging aspect, although your bike fitter should be able to suggest you one.
      One thing to keep in mind however, that while extra padding on the saddle may seem like a comfortable option, it's a complete opposite once you start extending your ride time, as it'll cause chaffing.

      A longer ride = less padding.

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      04-25-2016 04:47 PM #105
      Quote Originally Posted by J-Tim View Post
      A longer ride = less padding.
      I fully disagree. After riding some even slightly thicker padded bibs (Ale) I would never pick my thinner ones (Castelli) for anything over an hour.

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      04-26-2016 08:08 AM #106
      Think he is talking about the saddle itself, not the chamois. Really boils down to personal preference though.
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      04-26-2016 09:27 AM #107
      if "the rule" for saddles is longer rides = less padding on the saddles.... then we all should be riding Brooks saddles.

      but, my sit bones are sore after 100 miles on my current saddle, which doesn't have much for padding.... may try a fizik saddle next.
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      04-26-2016 09:33 AM #108
      Quote Originally Posted by A1an View Post
      Think he is talking about the saddle itself, not the chamois. Really boils down to personal preference though.
      Doesnt matter, both should get more padding the further you go. Spec started rating their padding, I was on a 1, the lowest, and I went to a 2. I kinda wanna go to a 3 maybe even.

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      04-26-2016 09:45 AM #109
      Quote Originally Posted by jnm2.0t View Post
      Doesnt matter, both should get more padding the further you go. Spec started rating their padding, I was on a 1, the lowest, and I went to a 2. I kinda wanna go to a 3 maybe even.
      It's more than just thickness. If thickness matters, then pro riders should be looking like as if they are wearing Depends adult diapers under the lycra.

      The foam padding has other properties such as elasticity and density that matters more than just thickness itself.
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      04-26-2016 09:58 AM #110
      It is downright silly to apply personal preferences to all cyclists. My ass is more than satisfied with a decent chamois and a leather Selle Anatomica for an entire day of riding. Same goes with my minimally padded Ergon or Bontrager saddle on 4-6 hour efforts.
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      04-26-2016 10:40 AM #111
      Quote Originally Posted by BsickPassat View Post
      It's more than just thickness. If thickness matters, then pro riders should be looking like as if they are wearing Depends adult diapers under the lycra.

      The foam padding has other properties such as elasticity and density that matters more than just thickness itself.
      It is more than thickness, it's quality AND thickness, but that doesn't mean it isn't thickness. There becomes a suitable padding quality for even 6 hour rides which is a mix of thick and quality, but it's still thicker.

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      It is downright silly to apply personal preferences to all cyclists.
      Yup, which is why I said that I disagreed

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      04-26-2016 10:45 AM #112
      Quote Originally Posted by jnm2.0t View Post
      It is more than thickness, it's quality AND thickness, but that doesn't mean it isn't thickness. There becomes a suitable padding quality for even 6 hour rides which is a mix of thick and quality, but it's still thicker.
      You can have low quality and high thickness as well... it doesn't mean it may be a suitable chamois for longer rides for people.

      Chamois foam(s) have other mechanical properties that are engineered into the chamois, not just thickness.

      If your "fact" about thicker is better for longer rides is true, then as I repeat myself, why don't pro riders wear super thick chamois that look like depends diapers?

      There's a surprising amount of engineering that goes into the design of shorts/bibs
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      04-26-2016 04:59 PM #113
      Quote Originally Posted by BsickPassat View Post
      If your "fact" about thicker is better for longer rides is true, then as I repeat myself, why don't pro riders wear super thick chamois that look like depends diapers?
      relax brotha', never presented it as a fact, it's an opinion... which is why I said i disagree, not that he's wrong. capiche paisan?

      and as I said before you reach a limit in what's needed, so that pros dont wear diapers isn't relevant. i've never checked out a pro riders nether regions of their shorts to see if it's razor thin or of substance. but for me: (protip: this means an opinion to follow) thicker of the same padding is better for longer rides.

      i mean if you have first hand knowledge the peletons underwear thickness of choice then cool (also, ew) but still don't really care what the pros do in any respect.
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      04-26-2016 06:49 PM #114
      Usually when you state an opinion, you preface your opinion with:
      in my opinion
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      In my humble opinion
      IMHO

      Without it, and then you argue about it, you're stating your opinion as fact


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      04-26-2016 06:53 PM #115
      Quote Originally Posted by jnm2.0t View Post
      I fully disagree. After riding some even slightly thicker padded bibs (Ale) I would never pick my thinner ones (Castelli) for anything over an hour.
      It is saddle, I was referring to.

      I dare you to ride 200+km on a thick padded saddle. In fact, I suggest you don't as it's downright unhealthy. The chaffing you'd be getting due to all the friction would make your ride unbearable.

      Talk to all the older guys who do Audax rides that span 8+ hours a day in the saddle. I can almost guarantee that you'll never see them using a saddle that has any more than a minimal amount of padding. Most don't use padding at all.
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      04-26-2016 07:33 PM #116
      Quote Originally Posted by BsickPassat View Post
      Usually when you state an opinion, you preface your opinion with:
      in my opinion
      IMO
      In my humble opinion
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      Without it, and then you argue about it, you're stating your opinion as fact


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      No that's your problem, if "I disagree" isn't clear enough for you I can't help you. I would even encourage you to read any post from anyone on any forum as an opinion unless otherwise specifically stated, not the other way around.
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      04-26-2016 08:32 PM #117
      Quote Originally Posted by J-Tim View Post
      It is saddle, I was referring to.

      I dare you to ride 200+km on a thick padded saddle. In fact, I suggest you don't as it's downright unhealthy. The chaffing you'd be getting due to all the friction would make your ride unbearable.

      Talk to all the older guys who do Audax rides that span 8+ hours a day in the saddle. I can almost guarantee that you'll never see them using a saddle that has any more than a minimal amount of padding. Most don't use padding at all.
      First of all I dont think anyone is talking about riding something like this for the guy who's doing 8 hours and 160 miles



      Second of all, even if they were I would find it VERY hard pressed to believe that if it fit properly that it'd induce what you call unhealthy levels of chafing. I'ma need some actual documentation to show that to be true, and not some anecdotal 'those guys said'. The longest ride I've done is well short of 8/160 but still 6/100 isn't far off time in saddle wise and I did it on a stock cheapo Scott saddle and had precisely 0 issues of induced chafing. And 8+ hours and 200km is so far outside the norm in the furthest reaches of the spectrum that it's not worth thinking about.

      Anyhow that above is what Spec considers level 5 padding. The toupe pro I came from was a 1. The toupe s works is actually a level 2 padding. More padding for the better saddle the pros are likely to ride? Mind. Blown. The saddle I went to is the power pro, also level 2 padding. It's the stock saddle on the $8200 Venge Vias Pro.

      On the chamios issue I believe there the quest for thin is also based on chafing, not desire to reduce padding, that'd be pretty crazy if so. To the chafing issue I would say the same as the saddle, if it's the proper fitting clothes you're not going to get into trouble. My older club crap from Voler is kinda loose, and I can chafe in it after an hour if I'm not mindful. My Ale stuff is so damned tight and snug that it doesn't go anywhere and has never caused any chafing whatsoever. I'd not hesitate to wear it for endless hours, despite it's beefy padding. This is where the lack of chafing comes from:

      The heart of the success lies in the silicone impregnated, woven fabric used for both the 60mm leg grippers and the bib ‘straps’. They’re grippy without being grabby and stretchy without constricting – functionally perfect.

      The construction and functionality of these shorts is assisted by way of an open weave, horizontal stretchy fabric between the straps that keeps them in place without allowing too much movement, or retaining excess heat.

      Sew in an awesome insert with super supportive 90kg/cm2 padding in its central zone, and an anti-bacterial cover that has retained its softness after a lot of washes and you end up with hard saddle edges being well hidden from the posterior without adding any unneeded bulk.


      I think (that's a freebie for bsick) people are very quick to reach for the thinnest padding without considering the poor fabric itself may be what's inducing the chafing they experience.

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      04-30-2016 11:59 PM #118
      My tire changing life changed when I accidentally finally figured out what those hooks on tire levers are for. Taking a loaner wheel's tire off for my own.


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      I'm using a tubeless tire on a tubeless specific alloy rim (Pacenti).

      I've had no issues with previous tires. I already am aware that Pacenti's can be difficult in getting the bead over and on to the rim.
      Previously I've used Hutchinson Atom Tubeless tires and have had no flats in over a year of riding. However, a couple weeks ago, I had something slice up the tread all the way up and over the sidewalls which was too much for the sealant. It just poured out all over the place.

      So I ordered a replacement tire -- this time a Hutchinson Fusion 700c

      I have the tire bead on to the tire. As usual, I've cleaned the rim of any dried sealant. Rim tape looked to be in good condition. To inflate, I typically use a CO2, remove the Presta core valve, spray on soapy water around the rim/tire bead, and shoot a quick shot of compressed air into the valve. That usually seats the tire onto the rim.

      However, after wasting two CO2 cartridges, I got nothing but soap bubbles around the rim in several places. I then tried using an air compressor with quick shots of 90lbs of air in the tank --this too was unsuccessful.

      Some have suggested inserting a tube and stretching the rim over night before removing the tube and trying again. This tire is very TIGHT and I don't think I could fit an inner tube in there.

      Another suggested in addition to the soapy water on the exterior, prefilling with sealant through the valve and then try again to seat the tire.

      any other suggestions? (I may just go and get another Hutchinson Atom tire since I know those work)

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      05-19-2016 02:09 PM #120
      Quote Originally Posted by jnm2.0t View Post
      My tire changing life changed when I accidentally finally figured out what those hooks on tire levers are for. Taking a loaner wheel's tire off for my own.
      Ha. Noob.

      I have a friend who owns a shop, and he is of the opinion that anybody who uses a tire tool in general is a boob. He uses his fingers for all, though I'd like to see him try to get my GP 4-seasons on a rim without a tool. I couldn't even get a 29x2.2 tubeless WTB Wolverine on my wife's rim, even with tools and a clamp.

    23. 05-19-2016 04:58 PM #121
      Quote Originally Posted by lnoriel View Post
      Another suggested in addition to the soapy water on the exterior, prefilling with sealant through the valve and then try again to seat the tire.

      any other suggestions? (I may just go and get another Hutchinson Atom tire since I know those work)

      Thanks in advance. -Les
      Sealant's not going to help with seating, which it appears is your issue. Pop whatever parts of the bead have locked into the rim back into the center channel, liberally apply soapy water between the tire bead and the rim hook, and try it again with the compressor. If that doesn't work, hold the wheel upright with the valve at the top and the palm of your hand over the tread of the tire, and kind of bounce/dribble the wheel like a basketball (more pressure than dribbling, though), trying to get the bead to bounce down around the valve to create a tight enough seal to get the whole tire to pop onto the hook at one time, or as close to all at once as possible. If you're still getting small leaks in a couple spots, try walking the bead in that area up onto the rim manually with your thumbs or blasting it up there with more than 90psi.

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      05-19-2016 09:13 PM #122
      Just went tubeless myself (on the recommendation of my LBS went with Schwalbe Pro One tires). Amazing how much more comfortable they are on the wider rims I'm now sporting.

      But it looks like I'm going to need to develop a new set of tire-mounting skills (and maybe get some new tools).

      As for tire irons, when you start developing arthritis in your fingers early (thanks for the genes, Mom), tire irons are a necessity!

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      05-20-2016 09:27 AM #123
      I have dealt with certain rim/tire combos where levers are just about a necessity...specifically the damn 2.4 Purgatory Control on every rim I have. Such a bitch to mount and dismount that thing.
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      05-22-2016 01:51 PM #124
      Not a bike question, but does anyone have recommendations for rain booties that will keep my feet relatively dry? I know it's sort of delaying the inevitable, but if I can postpone my feet being sopping wet by a few hours, I'll take it.

      Disregard. I should have googled first. Going to give these a shot: http://www.velotoze.com/products/tal...ant=4622260483

      No seams, look like they will be tighter on the ankle to hopefully prevent less water to come in from the top.
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      05-31-2016 09:00 AM #125
      For those of you incorporating lower body strength training...are you doing this back to back with cycling efforts? We are getting access to a community gym later this month and I'd like to work in 1-2 lower body sessions during the week on top of what I'm already doing.
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