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      05-04-2020 04:13 PM #51
      When I bought my Bosch I did a bunch of research and found the same on the consolidation and lower quality. BTW I replaced my Mom's 1999 Miata battery for her about two years ago and it was the original. Apparently they are legendary but not anything like you can buy today. Anyways, my Bosch lasted almost 5 years with occasional use/hook up to Costco purchased Battery Tender Jr. (my second replacement per above concerns). I'm happy with the Bosch performance and kind of German brand when you pop the hood (not really manufactured in Germany) so I know it really doesn't owe me anything but I'm slightly annoyed that the 96 month warranty is basically worthless. I probably should just buy another and bring it in right before the 3 year free replacement period for a fresh one. I hoped by now that innovation would have driven the industry forward but sounds like that just didn't happen!
      Group
      Millimeters
      Inches
      Number L W H L W H
      21 208 173 222 8 3/16 6 13/16 8 3/4
      22F 241 175 211 9 1/2 6 7/8 8 5/16
      22HF 241 175 229 9 1/2 6 7/8 9
      22NF 240 140 227 9 7/16 5 1/2 8 15/16
      22R 229 175 211 9 6 7/8 8 5/16
      24 260 173 225 10 1/4 6 13/16 8 7/8
      24F 273 173 229 10 3/4 6 13/16 9
      24H 260 173 238 10 1/4 6 13/16 9 3/8
      24R 260 173 229 10 1/4 6 13/16 9
      24T 260 173 248 10 1/4 6 13/16 9 3/4
      25 230 175 225 9 1/16 6 7/8 8 7/8
      26 208 173 197 8 3/16 6 13/16 7 3/4
      26R 208 173 197 8 3/16 6 13/16 7 3/4
      27 306 173 225 12 1/16 6 13/16 8 7/8
      27F 318 173 227 12 1/2 6 13/16 8 15/16
      27H 298 173 235 11 3/4 6 13/16 9 1/4
      29NF 330 140 227 13 5 1/2 8 15/16
      33 338 173 238 13 5/16 6 13/16 9 3/8
      34 260 173 200 10 1/4 6 13/16 7 7/8
      34R 260 173 200 10 1/4 6 13/16 7 7/8
      35 230 175 225 9 1/16 6 7/8 8 7/8
      36R 263 183 206 10 3/8 7 1/4 8 1/8
      40R 277 175 175 10 15/16 6 7/8 6 7/8
      41 293 175 175 11 3/16 6 7/8 6 7/8
      Stock Mk1 Gti
      42
      243 173 173 9 5/16 6 13/16 6 13/16
      43 334 175 205 13 1/8 6 7/8 8 1/16
      45 240 140 227 9 7/16 5 1/2 8 15/16
      46 273 173 229 10 3/4 6 13/16 9
      Worked for Kamz Cabriolet- check height OK?
      47
      246
      175 190
      9 11/16 6 7/8 7 1/2 Close
      48 306 175 192 12 1/16 6 7/8 7 9/16
      49 381 175 192 15 6 7/8 7 3/16
      50 343 127 254 13 1/2 5 10
      51 238 129 223 9 3/8 5 1/16 8 13/16
      51R 238 129 223 9 3/8 5 1/16 8 13/16
      52 186 147 210 7 5/16 5 13/16 8 1/4
      53 330 119 210 13 4 11/16 8 1/4
      54 186 154 212 7 5/16 6 1/16 8 3/8
      55 218 154 212 8 5/8 6 1/16 8 3/8
      56 254 154 212 10 6 1/16 8 3/8
      57 205 183 177 8 1/16 7 3/16 6 15/16
      58 255 183 177 10 1/16 7 3/16 6 15/16
      58R 255 183 177 10 1/16 7 3/16 6 15/16
      59 255 193 196 10 1/16 7 5/8 7 3/4
      60 332 160 225 13 1/16 6 5/16 8 7/8
      61 192 162 225 7 9/16 6 3/8 8 7/8
      62 225 162 225 8 7/8 6 3/8 8 7/8
      63 258 162 225 10 3/16 6 3/8 8 7/8
      64 296 162 225 11 11/16 6 3/8 8 7/8
      65 306 190 192 12 1/16 7 1/2 7 9/16
      70 208 179 196 8 3/16 7 1/16 7 11/16
      71 208 179 216 8 3/16 7 1/16 8 1/2
      72 230 179 210 9 1/16 7 1/16 8 1/4
      73 230 179 216 9 1/16 7 1/16 8 1/2
      74 260 184 222 10 1/4 7 1/4 8 3/4
      75 230 179 196 9 1/16 7 1/16 7 11/16
      76 334 179 216 13 1/8 7 1/16 8 1/2
      78 260 179 196 10 1/4 7 1/16 7 11/16
      85 230 173 203 9 1/16 6 13/16 8
      86 230 173 203 9 1/16 6 13/16 8
      90 246 175 175 9 11/16 6 7/8 6 7/8
      91 280 175 175 11 6 7/8 6 7/8
      92 317 175 175 12 1/2 6 7/8 6 7/8
      93 354 175 175 15 6 7/8 6 7/8
      95R 394 175 190 15 9/16 6 7/8 7 1/2
      shorter lip for bolt down but will work with small wedge
      96R
      242
      173 175
      9 9/16
      6 13/16 6 7/8
      97R 252 175 190 9 15/16 6 7/8 7 1/2
      98R 283 175 190 11 3/16 6 7/8 7 1/2
      Kamzcab86
      T5
      9 5/9
      6.94
      6.94 Cabriolet
      Kamzcab86 H5 9 4/9 6.90 6.94
      Cabriolet
      Last edited by Hoffa; 05-04-2020 at 07:46 PM.

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    3. 05-05-2020 10:22 PM #52
      Today I replaced a worn out battery. Factory stock C280 Mercedes from 1999. Yup, 21 years old an has 174k on it. New record for me.

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      05-06-2020 09:05 AM #53
      Knowing that bstteries can easily achieve so much more is really irritating; even the cheap ones are too expensive IMO to be falling short of OEM so badly.
      It's hard for me to know exactly what these things cost me. I'm guessing a LOT, but I like them, so that's that.

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      05-06-2020 02:12 PM #54
      Eric I am with you. Bosch told me they no longer manufacture batteries in the USA due to Lead Acid production being banned. They have moved manufacturing "down south" he said (I am assuming Mexico) but would not tell me if they still actually make batteries.

      OK bear with me for a small rant... I'm tired of all this consolidation and offshoring and the impact on quality. Saving a few bucks on a cheap made part with planned obsolescence may drive a better short-term financial boost for the brand but a cheap part that needs replacing more often is not only more expensive and bad for the environment but kills brand loyalty. We all know the once great brands that have lost their credibility. I'll bet a new Bosch battery with a 2 year "Free" replacement guarantee is just another white label from one of the big 2 manufacturers and will die in 2 years and 3 months. I am happy to spend more on a quality AGM but have seen many comments how Optima quality went to hell when they moved manufacturing to China. Looks like Odyssey is still made in USA and make a 96R so may go that route.
      Last edited by Hoffa; 05-06-2020 at 02:23 PM.

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    6. 05-06-2020 02:28 PM #55
      I sell Bosch batteries because if the client looks at it, Bosch is a recognized brand. I also only sell the 3 years warranty versions. Since I have the authority to warranty anything, I promise the client that I will warranty the battery for at least 6 years. Every now and then, there is a warranty but typically, it's because the car sits and the battery drains down. Once that occurs, all batteries seem to die real soon.

      I'm not an environmentalist, but most everything that is made is not good for the environment. We have made rules so tough that it's best to ship it to come country has less care and liability. Anyone that runs a company understands that. The liability is just as bad, if not worst. It's not always about the money, it's just common sense that the additional hassle of making abroad is less than making it here.

    7. 05-07-2020 01:18 PM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by Hoffa View Post
      I am happy to spend more on a quality AGM but have seen many comments how Optima quality went to hell when they moved manufacturing to China. Looks like Odyssey is still made in USA and make a 96R so may go that route.
      Yes and you can go the route I suggested earlier, with a Group 47 AGM, Deka brand. I paid $135 for mine 4 years ago at Battery Mart. Fit is good, just add a wedge under the battery hold clamp.

      Cannot leak acid due to the design.

      I run diesel farm tractors, too. AGM's are the only batteries I can get a decent life from due to the vibration. The extra capacity over the standard lead acid batteries is great for the cold morning diesel start. My point is that they are quite durable. An AGM for a Rabbit is not overkill when you consider the quality problems in regular lead-acid batteries these days.

    8. 05-21-2020 02:45 PM #57
      On the subject of batteries, I just came across a little article about them in Hemmings:
      https://www.hemmings.com/stories/202...ign=2020-05-19

      Thought I'd post the link if anyone was interested. One thing that it says is most Euro car makers use AGM batteries as their original issue. That might partially explain the long life they get. Although the overall quality compared to the aftermarket replacements is definitely a factor.

    9. 05-22-2020 10:54 AM #58
      That is always the issue when I sell a battery. If an AGM battery is a few bucks more, then why not. Unfortunately, good AGM batteries are not just a few bucks more. Then I go down the hole of is it worth the additional cost? Then there is the charging rate of an AGM battery.

      Since I'm a tight wad, I do not see that it's cost effective in buying a good AGM battery. I do have the advantage that I can warranty any battery I want so it's kinda like buying one battery for life.

    10. 05-22-2020 12:51 PM #59
      I got a Group 48 Interstate AGM at Costco for my Mk6 last week for $181 out the door including a $15 core deposit. Group 47 (which they do carry) would be a few bucks cheaper. Unsure about the other sizes, but probably.

      36 mo warranty. I'll probably take it back before it runs out, just for insurance.

    11. 05-23-2020 09:39 AM #60
      That is shady, swapping a 2 year 11 month old battery for a brand new one. Sadly, I do it all the time.

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      05-23-2020 11:14 AM #61
      They don’t test them, when there’s a warranty claim? I’ve only had a few instances with bad batteries, but they’ve always tested them, when I bring them in.

      -Todd

    13. 05-23-2020 01:52 PM #62
      That Costco lifestyle ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

      I’ll have it checked then and if it gets a clean bill of health I’ll hopefully avoid one of those just-out-of-warranty failures

    14. 05-23-2020 09:17 PM #63
      From my understanding, they have no way of checking them. At least that is what I heard.

      The guy who checks mine is a butcher. A little bit of beer and he'll warranty anything.

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      05-26-2020 02:45 PM #64
      I've been seeing the same issue with batteries branded under Bosch and Champion.
      On several cars, I rarely had to replace batteries, now it seems like it is a 1-2 year thing on any battery.
      They are dying faster without ability to recharge.
      I just posted in the Scirocco forums that my 3 year warrantied Bosch battery is no longer holding a charge and its not even 11 months since I bought it.
      Glad to know that I'm not alone in seeing that engineered battery obsolescence seems to have arrived.

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