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      All-new 2017 Chrysler Pacifica Reinvents Minivan Segment With Unprecedented Level of Functionality, Versatility and Technology

      - 2017 Chrysler Pacifica and Pacifica Hybrid revolutionize the minivan segment with nearly 40 new minivan firsts

      - After creating the minivan segment more than 30 years ago, FCA US now boasts an unmatched 115 minivan innovations

      - Re-engineered from the ground up on an all-new platform for class-leading ride, handling, and noise, vibration and harshness (NVH)

      - Delivers class-leading gasoline and hybrid powertrains to the minivan segment, with the Pacifica Hybrid offering up to 80 miles per gallon equivalent (MPGe) in city driving

      - 2017 Chrysler Pacifica brings sculptural styling, beautiful surfacing and highly crafted execution to the minivan segment

      - Offers more than 100 standard and available safety and security features, including 360-degree Surround View camera, ParkSense Parallel/Perpendicular Park Assist, Adaptive Cruise Control with Stop and Hold and Forward Collision Warning-Plus

      - The most technologically equipped of its kind with available all-new Uconnect Theater rear seat entertainment, 8.4-inch touchscreen display and premium audio systems

      - Full array of comfort and convenience technologies available, including Stow 'n Vac integrated vacuum, tri-pane panoramic sunroof, handsfree sliding doors and liftgate and redesigned Stow 'n Go seating with Stow 'n Go Assist and Easy Tilt access to the third row

      Auburn Hills, Mich., Jan 11, 2016 - Delivering unparalleled levels of functionality, versatility, technology and bold styling, the all-new 2017 Chrysler Pacifica redefines the minivan segment.

      As the original creator of the minivan more than 30 years ago, FCA US LLC has transformed the segment with firsts – notching 78 innovations through the first five minivan generations. With the introduction of the all-new Chrysler Pacifica, FCA US adds 37 minivan firsts to its portfolio for an unprecedented total of 115 innovations in the segment.

      "The all-new 2017 Chrysler Pacifica is truly a no-compromises minivan, giving customers everything they need or want," said Timothy Kuniskis, Head of Passenger Car Brands, FCA - North America. "We started from the ground up to design the most technologically advanced minivan, which offers bold styling, class-leading ride and handling, and unmatched fuel economy, with the Pacifica Hybrid delivering up to 80 miles per gallon equivalent (MPGe) in city driving. The all-new Chrysler Pacifica was thoughtfully designed and engineered to provide unsurpassed levels of comfort, convenience, technology and functionality, making it the perfect combination for modern families."

      Engineering

      The 2017 Chrysler Pacifica was re-engineered from the ground up on an all-new platform, delivering class-leading ride and handling and reduced noise, vibration and harshness (NVH). Its body structure is the lightest and stiffest in its class, making it more responsive with lower levels of body roll and enhanced agility to absorb and distribute road inputs. Class-leading aerodynamics contribute to the Pacifica's unsurpassed fuel efficiency.

      The all-new Pacifica is engineered and executed to deliver a "vault-like" interior environment with low levels of wind noise, road noise and related vibration/harshness characteristics. Active Noise Cancellation (ANC) is standard on all models to further heighten the Chrysler Pacifica's refinement factor during a comfortable daily commute or an extended road trip with family and friends.

      The Chrysler Pacifica boasts the largest interior volume in the segment, with clever storage, available eight-passenger seating, and – a requirement with all generations of FCA US minivans – the ability to fit an 8 x 4-foot sheet of plywood.

      Powertrain

      The all-new 2017 Chrysler Pacifica minivan features a choice of two powerful, efficient and advanced powertrains – the segment's first hybrid vehicle, and the next generation of the award-winning Pentastar V-6 gasoline engine, which is mated to a segment-exclusive TorqueFlite nine-speed automatic transmission.

      The Pacifica Hybrid, the industry's first electrified minivan, will deliver an estimated range of 30 miles solely on zero-emissions electric power from a 16-kWh lithium-ion (Li-ion) battery. In city driving, it is expected to achieve an efficiency rating of 80 MPGe based on U.S. Environmental Protection Agency standards.

      The pivotal technology behind the all-new Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid is its innovative electrically variable transmission (EVT). Patented by FCA US, the device features two electric motors, which are both capable of driving the vehicle's wheels.

      On the Chrysler Pacifica gasoline models, the latest iteration of the award-winning 3.6-liter Pentastar V-6 engine produces best-in-class horsepower (287) and torque (262 lb.-ft.), along with unsurpassed fuel economy. Enhancements such as two-step variable-valve lift (VVL), cooled exhaust-gas recirculation (EGR) and innovative weight-reduction strategies boost the engine's efficiency and performance, all while preserving the smoothness that remains a hallmark of the Pentastar brand. For added fuel efficiency, engine stop-start (ESS) technology is a standard feature on the 2017 Chrysler Pacifica (late availability).

      Design

      Featuring the face of the Chrysler brand, the all-new Chrysler Pacifica has a sculpted exterior with athletic proportions. A fast silhouette and sophisticated, fluid-like surfacing deliver a level of style not found in the minivan segment. The Pacifica's sliding door track lines are hidden under the rear-quarter side glass, making them virtually indistinguishable. With its long wheelbase, wide track, low ground clearance and available 20-inch wheels, the Chrysler Pacifica appears planted, with a capable stance.

      The Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid features a unique front grille pattern and wheel design, as well as distinctive badging, differentiating it from the rest of the Pacifica lineup.

      The thoughtfully designed and beautifully crafted interior mixes high-tech elements with a sculpted, muscular feel. With horizontally drawn features, the interior's spaciousness is amplified, and the linear elements keep the eye moving throughout the cabin. The available tri-pane panoramic sunroof, with a dual-pane panoramic sunroof and a fixed glass pane over the third row, adds to the feeling of spaciousness.

      The Chrysler Pacifica and Pacifica Hybrid are available in 10 exterior paint colors that accentuate the vehicle's surfacing: Billet Silver Metallic Clear Coat, Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat, Bright White Clear Coat, Molten Silver Metallic Clear Coat, Velvet Red Pearl Coat, Jazz Blue Pearl Coat, Dark Cordovan Pearl Coat, Tusk White Pearl Coat, Granite Crystal Metallic Clear Coat and Silver Teal Pearl Coat (available only on the Pacifica Hybrid and paired with an exclusive interior environment).

      Safety and Security

      The all-new 2017 Chrysler Pacifica showcases the latest in advanced safety and security technology, offering more than 100 standard and available features. Available for the first time on the all-new Pacifica is the Surround View camera, which uses four cameras positioned around the vehicle to provide 360-degree views, including a bird's eye perspective of the vehicle and its surroundings. Other advanced features include:

      - ParkSense Parallel/Perpendicular Park Assist, which uses ultrasonic sensors to guide the driver into parking spaces
      - Adaptive Cruise Control with Stop and Hold, which maintains the distance between the vehicle and the one in front of it, and can bring the vehicle to a controlled stop under certain circumstances
      - Forward Collision Warning-Plus deploys the brakes to alert the driver if an impact appears imminent, and assists with driver response
      - LaneSense Lane Departure Warning-Plus leverages electronic power steering (EPS) by delivering a torque input to alert and assist the driver with corrective action

      Other standard and available features include Blind-spot Monitoring, ParkSense rear park assist with stop, ParkView rear backup camera, electronic stability control and electric park brake. As part of FCA US's ongoing efforts to proliferate advanced safety and technology, the Pacifica's all-new body structure features the use of additional high-strength steel.

      The Chrysler Pacifica also boasts up to five seating positions that will accommodate LATCH child safety-seat installation – a capacity unsurpassed in the segment.

      Technology and Convenience

      The 2017 Chrysler Pacifica is the most technologically equipped vehicle of its kind, offering an all-new Uconnect Theater entertainment system, 7-inch full-color driver information display, 8.4-inch touchscreen, acclaimed Uconnect Access and an array of other features.

      With the all-new, class-exclusive Uconnect Theater rear seat entertainment system, passengers can watch movies, play built-in games, connect personal devices to surf the Internet and stream content throughout the vehicle via two high-definition 10-inch touchscreens.

      The available KeySense programmable key fob places limits on speed and audio volume, mutes the audio when front seatbelts are not buckled, prevents the disabling of certain features like Forward Collision Warning-Plus and ParkSense rear park assist, and allows blocking of SiriusXM Radio channels.

      The 2017 Chrysler Pacifica features the available easy-to-use Uconnect 8.4 system with an 8.4-inch touchscreen, navigation, integrated voice command, and Uconnect Access, which keeps drivers and passengers connected with helpful information, such as fuel prices and movie listings

      For audiophile-quality sound, the Chrysler Pacifica comes standard with six speakers and Active Noise Cancellation. Premium audio systems, either a 13-speaker Alpine system or a 20-speaker Harman Kardon system, are also available.

      The 2017 Chrysler Pacifica is loaded with comfort and convenience features, including Keyless Enter 'n Go, remote start, and heated and ventilated seats. Other notable features include segment-first handsfree sliding doors and liftgate, which are operated by making a kicking motion under the sliding door or bumper to open or close the sliding doors or liftgate.

      For added convenience, the available Stow 'n Vac integrated vacuum powered by RIDGID provides easy access to all corners of the vehicle. The Stow 'n Go seating and storage system, a hallmark of FCA US minivans for more than 10 years, has been redesigned for added ease of use, and the addition of the all-new Stow 'n Go Assist feature helps to further simplify the process. With the press of a button on the B-pillar, the front seat moves forward to allow the second-row seat to be stowed into the floor tub. Once the seat is stowed, pressing the button again moves the front seat back to its starting position. In addition, the Easy Tilt second-row seats allow for easy access to the third row, even with an empty child seat installed in the second row.

      The 2017 Chrysler Pacifica is available in six models and the Pacifica Hybrid in two models. The Chrysler Pacifica will be available in dealer showrooms in spring 2016, with the Pacifica Hybrid arriving in the second half of 2016.

      The 2017 Chrysler Pacifica is built at the Windsor Assembly Plant in Windsor, Ontario, Canada.
      First hybrid powertrain in minivan segment

      "Due to its large footprint and multiple daily trip patterns, the minivan is ideally suited for electrification technology," said Bob Lee, Vice President and Head of Engine, Powertrain and Electrified Propulsion Systems Engineering, FCA – North America. "The all-new 2017 Chrysler Pacifica lives up to this promise and then some, with efficiency, power and refinement."

      Launching in second half of 2016, the Pacifica Hybrid is the industry's first electrified minivan. With an estimated 248 horsepower, the vehicle will deliver an estimated range of 30 miles solely on zero-emissions electric power from a 16-kWh lithium-ion (Li-ion) battery.

      In city driving, it is expected to achieve an efficiency rating of 80 miles per gallon equivalent (MPGe), based on U.S. Environmental Protection Agency standards.

      When the battery's energy is depleted to a certain threshold, the Pacifica Hybrid becomes a part-time electric vehicle, like a conventional hybrid. Power to the wheels is supplied by the electric drive system or supplemented by a specially adapted new version of the award-winning FCA US Pentastar 3.6-liter V-6 engine.

      The battery pack – neatly packaged under the second row floor in the new unique battery case – may be fully recharged in as little as two hours using a 240-volt plug-in system.

      The pivotal technology behind the all-new Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid is its innovative electrically variable transmission (EVT). Designed and patented by FCA US, the device features two electric motors – both of which are capable of driving the vehicle's wheels.

      Conventional electrification schemes dedicate one motor to serve as a generator and a second motor – usually much larger – to deliver torque to the wheels. But the all-new 2017 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid uses a one-way clutch that allows the motor typically used only as a generator to deliver torque to the wheels, depending on driving conditions. The result is increased efficiency, refinement and improved component packaging.

      Unique hybrid engine

      Based on the newly upgraded Pentastar engine architecture, the new hybrid engine features an Atkinson cycle combustion system for improved pumping efficiency without compromising vehicle performance due to its hybrid electric motors working in tandem with the engine when full load performance is required.

      Unique "handed" pistons provide a compression ratio increase to 12.5:1 for further thermodynamic efficiency improvement.

      The front cover and front accessory drive system was re-engineered due to the elimination of the alternator and power steering pump which is common to most hybrid engines.

      Friction reduction improvements, along with ignition and fuel injection improvements found on the upgraded Pentastar V-6 are all part of the specially adapted hybrid Pentastar engine, while 2-step valve lift and cooled EGR have been removed with the addition of Atkinson cycle combustion system.

      Recharging

      Deceleration triggers the motor to turn into a generator, which creates electricity to send back to the battery pack.

      The 16-kWh lithium-ion battery pack in the 2017 Chrysler Pacifica is stored efficiently under the second-row floor, keeping the rear cargo area as roomy as ever and preserving the third-row Stow 'n Go seating and storage.

      The exterior charge port is located on the driver's side fender for quick and easy plug in after exiting the vehicle. On the inside, a charging indicator light is located on the instrument panel so owners can easily monitor the battery charge process.




























































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      Cool stuff. Can't wait to see more pics. Looks miles ahead of the current-gen.
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      I hope it sells better than the last Pacifica. What an odd name change.
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      As much as I hate to admit, but that looks sexy!

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      01-11-2016 12:13 AM #7
      I didn't expect them to bring that name back. It's also interesting since I don't recall the old Pacifica being being panned as a bad vehicle, so I guess it has a good name to build on. I guess they really wanted a total break from the old Caravan/T&C?
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      A sexy minivan? Impressive!

      And LOL @ Chrysler beating Toyota to market with a hybrid minivan -- surprised it hasn't been done earlier.
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      They're handsome enough to almost make me want another minivan.

      I assume they don't have any mileage estimates that they want to release yet, but it sounds really promising.
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      I assume they don't have any mileage estimates that they want to release yet, but it sounds really promising.
      80 MPGe and 30 miles of EV range for the Hybrid model!
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      A sexy minivan? Impressive!

      And LOL @ Chrysler beating Toyota to market with a hybrid minivan -- surprised it hasn't been done earlier.
      Only the US market

      The JDM Toyota Estima (newer versions of the Previa) have been available in Hybrid for some time now


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      01-11-2016 12:29 AM #12
      Can you get stow n go in the hybrid model? Sounds like they're putting the battery pack where the seats would go when they're stowed. I could be wrong though.
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      My 90 yo grandfather has an original Pacifica. I like the concept of a people mover loaded with luxury
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      I'd like to hear more details about the plug-in hybrid. Specifically, I'm thinking it is like the Plug-in Prius, where it only makes a limited amount of power, say, 60hp all electric. So going past half throttle or whatever gets you beyond the 60hp available via electricity causes the gas engine to kick in to provide the rest of the power. If you compare against the Volt, the Volt has a very small gasoline engine since it has all 150hp available electrically. Since this van still has a 3.6 liter V6, I'm thinking it has such a large engine because it needs it in order to make the rated power. It might only make 100-120hp or so on electricity and it needs that big V6 to kick in to make the full rated power.

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      Can you get stow n go in the hybrid model? Sounds like they're putting the battery pack where the seats would go when they're stowed. I could be wrong though.
      From near the end: "The 16-kWh lithium-ion battery pack in the 2017 Chrysler Pacifica is stored efficiently under the second-row floor, keeping the rear cargo area as roomy as ever and preserving the third-row Stow 'n Go seating and storage."

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      80 MPGe and 30 miles of EV range for the Hybrid model!
      Sorry, I meant regular MPGs for highway use/non-hybrid models. I'd love to drive to work and not burn gas, though!
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      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      From near the end: "The 16-kWh lithium-ion battery pack in the 2017 Chrysler Pacifica is stored efficiently under the second-row floor, keeping the rear cargo area as roomy as ever and preserving the third-row Stow 'n Go seating and storage."
      So I understand that we lose Stow'n Go in the 2nd row with the hybrid...

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      So I understand that we lose Stow'n Go in the 2nd row with the hybrid...
      That's how I read it. Bummer. I currently have 1 of my 2nd row seats stowed as I'm looking for an 8x10 rug (and have to be prepared to strike!) and I just rented two sections of scaffolding a couple weeks ago on the spot. I carry an 8x4 industrial vinyl welcome mat rolled up in the back of my van for whenever I need to transform it into "cargo mode." ... I have a feeling that FCA isn't exactly courting my type with what will likely be a 45k 8 passenger hybrid
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      I have a feeling that FCA isn't exactly courting my type with what will likely be a 45k 8 passenger hybrid
      I'm hoping there's still a ±$20k base version that the kids (and wife) can trash without dad cringing too much. The higher trims always extended into the $40k territory, yes?

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      DETROIT -- Thirty-two years after Chrysler shook up the industry and saved its own skin by creating the garageable van, the company is aiming to convert its original minivan passengers -- all those second- and third-row rug rats from back in the day -- into minivan buyers.

      Given how much the one-box people mover has fallen out of fashion that's pretty ambitious. So when redesigning the minivan this time around, Fiat Chrysler decided to rethink it, too.

      And rename it.

      The replacement for Chrysler's Town & Country will debut Monday at the Detroit auto show as the 2017 Chrysler Pacifica. And it looks more like a modern crossover than your mom's minivan.

      "We need to retrain what people see in their brain when they hear 2017 Chrysler minivan," said Tim Kuniskis, FCA's head of passenger car brands. "When they hear us say the 2017 Chrysler Pacifica, we need them to see this."

      The new vehicle, which arrives in dealerships starting late this spring, carries the same name as a large crossover Chrysler sold -- with limited success -- from the 2004 through 2008 model years. And while it looks much different from the outgoing Town & Country, it is a minivan, and however uncool, a minivan is still unsurpassed when it comes to functionality.

      More space
      "The minivan is still the best tool," said Kuniskis. "SUVs and crossovers are great at certain things, but they're not the best tool for the family that needs to efficiently move people and stuff. That's why [the minivan] still exists today."

      The 2017 Pacifica rides on a new platform with a wider and longer wheelbase than the outgoing Town & Country. Its overall length, width and height aren't that different from the current minivan, but visually, the larger wheels and wider wheelbase give it a more squat appearance. Inside the cabin, however, designers were able to gain interior space. The Pacifica seats up to eight passengers across its three rows compared with the Town & Country's maximum seven.

      The fascia mimics the 2015 Chrysler 200, with its winged logo floating in the center of the grille and chrome highlights near the lighting elements.

      FCA says the Pacifica has over 30 new features compared with the outgoing model. Here are some of the big ones.

      - Redesigned 2nd-row Stow 'n Go seats that tilt and collapse more easily
      - Foot-operated power sliding doors and liftgate
      - 10-inch touch screens in 2nd row
      - In-vehicle wireless connectivity
      - Dual-pane sunroof with 3rd-row fixed glass
      - “Are We There Yet?” rear-seat navigation app
      - Rear climate touch-screen controls

      This year, Kuniskis said, FCA will begin building a plug-in hybrid version of the Pacifica capable of 30 miles of electric-only driving, along with a V-6 gasoline engine. The Pacifica hybrid is expected to achieve a fuel economy rating equivalent to 80 mpg.

      'Stodgy old minivan'
      The Pacifica's new look was a purposeful departure from minivans of the past, said Ralph Gilles, FCA's global head of design.

      "As a designer, what kept coming up was the image problem with the minivan," said Gilles, citing FCA's consumer research. "It was loud and clear: People are embarrassed to drive these things. I don't want people to see a stodgy old minivan. I don't want them to just see a solution, a product that solves the issue that I didn't even know I had."

      At a meeting with journalists last month, Gilles mentioned a ribald joke he said he and other designers came up with to show just how much of a departure the Pacifica is from FCA's traditional minivan designs: "I think even single guys can get laid in this thing."

      But it is still a minivan. The Pacifica still has sliding side doors and a liftgate in the rear, but now those doors can be controlled with a swipe of your foot. It also has optional wheels up to 20 inches, instead of the 17-inch maximum on the 2016 Town & Country.

      Inside a richly appointed cabin, designers have reconfigured FCA's 8.4-inch touch-screen infotainment system. Instead of receding into the instrument panel as it does on other FCA vehicles, the screen sticks out -- reminiscent of a flat-screen TV on a living room wall.

      The minivan's Stow 'n Go seating was also redesigned to collapse into the floor more easily and without the need to move the front-row seats all the way forward. The redesigned second-row seats also tilt forward, enabling passengers to access third-row seats without removing child seats in the second row.

      Minivan sales have declined for several years as a percentage of overall U.S. volume. The segment peaked in 1995, accounting for 8.4 percent of sales. Last year, it was 2.9 percent.

      In terms of total volume, minivan sales peaked at 1.37 million in 2000. Last year: 507,217.

      Still, the segment has remained constant at about a half million for the last three years. While down significantly from its peaks, Kuniskis said, "so are the number of nameplates -- 15 vs. six."

      "That means the sales/nameplate ratio is at an all-time high, of 95K units," he said, "and, when you consider there are really primarily three dominant players (FCA, Honda and Toyota) that adds up to 125K sales/nameplate. Since we currently have two of the top four sellers, that's very good business for us."

      The key for the Pacifica, he said, is to replace consumers' memories of earlier minivans.

      "We can't afford to have them see the '80s minivan with the wood paneling on the side," Kuniskis said. "We can't afford them to think about the van that maybe they rode in growing up."
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      Pretty badass to me. Looked like it should hit all the needs and many wants. The style is good with me as well. Could be looking at the replacement for my 2005 sienna in 5 years or so.

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      Quote Originally Posted by strapontin View Post
      I'm hoping there's still a ±$20k base version that the kids (and wife) can trash without dad cringing too much. The higher trims always extended into the $40k territory, yes?
      With no caravan AVP left, I'm guessing they'll start it at 29k with a bunch of low-cost, easy to add standard features (blind spot, backup cam, etc). The current T&C starts at 30k MSRP.
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      As an FCA Cheerleader this van has me excited. The exterior and interior are absolutely beautiful and don't carry the old minivan stigma. It actually looks incredibly upscale. Dare I say it might actually sway some crossover owners back to the minivan side?

      I'm kind of surprised that they dropped the T&C name...considering it's recognition in the marketplace. But I guess the van is entirely new, so they wanted to have a totally fresh start with it.

      I really hope this is a success for Chrysler. There is nothing else in the segment (as barren as it is) that looks anywhere near as good as this. Hats off to the designers for pulling it off.

      What I want to know is the price point these are going to come in at.
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      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      I'd like to hear more details about the plug-in hybrid. Specifically, I'm thinking it is like the Plug-in Prius, where it only makes a limited amount of power, say, 60hp all electric. So going past half throttle or whatever gets you beyond the 60hp available via electricity causes the gas engine to kick in to provide the rest of the power. If you compare against the Volt, the Volt has a very small gasoline engine since it has all 150hp available electrically. Since this van still has a 3.6 liter V6, I'm thinking it has such a large engine because it needs it in order to make the rated power. It might only make 100-120hp or so on electricity and it needs that big V6 to kick in to make the full rated power.
      You raise some good questions!

      Quote Originally Posted by strapontin View Post
      I'm hoping there's still a ±$20k base version that the kids (and wife) can trash without dad cringing too much. The higher trims always extended into the $40k territory, yes?
      The Hybrid will only be available in Touring and Touring Limited trims, so... No

      Quote Originally Posted by RollingInDubs View Post
      As an FCA Cheerleader this van has me excited. The exterior and interior are absolutely beautiful and don't carry the old minivan stigma. It actually looks incredibly upscale. Dare I say it might actually sway some crossover owners back to the minivan side?
      I think it will for sure!

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      I'm kind of surprised that they dropped the T&C name...considering it's recognition in the marketplace. But I guess the van is entirely new, so they wanted to have a totally fresh start with it.
      Check out the article I posted (a couple posts up), they do a good job of explaining the change.

      Quote Originally Posted by RollingInDubs View Post
      What I want to know is the price point these are going to come in at.
      I'm sure that it'll start out a few thousand more than the current car and reach well into the high $40ks, at least.
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