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      04-04-2016 12:45 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by woofster View Post
      The 348 vs 355 example is a good analogy. Most non car enthusiasts wouldn't be able to tell the difference, despite obvious styling cues, and would probably figure they're the same car. Only until the 360 would most average people kind of notice its more modern curves. The Testarossa and 512 look even more similar to the regular joe on the street and I think would largely go unnoticed, despite the fact that there could potentially be close to a 10-year difference between model years.

      Or even the 550 vs the 575. In 25 years, there will be debates about which is more 'classic' Ferrari, I'll wager.
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      04-04-2016 12:46 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      In fact I'd bet that nearly every single classic car is purchased outright with cash. You simply do not get a bubble in the same way when loans are not involved and there's no time-crunch, in the way that options contracts are time limited.
      Actually they are not all purchased with cash. It's not unusual for multi-million dollar acquisitions to be funded by borrowing arranged by commercial banks. It can make a favorable return on assets with less complex risk than typical hedge fund investments and the same borrowers probably control companies that borrow $1bn at a time, so it's good for maintaining customer relations.

      It's not obvious to me why a Ferrari 250 GTO or Mercedes SSK is worth $10-15,000,000 and why there is a floor of support under such valuations, while $500,000 muscle car valuations were just a fad that collapsed fairly quickly. Rarity, emotions, rich Chinese, sheltering cash from taxes or disclosure, buying into the European upper class all probably have something to do with it, but at a basic level I suspect that some things are really expensive just because we all like to chase our desires.
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      04-04-2016 01:13 PM #28
      If you do get one, just make sure to park it for the winter.

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      04-04-2016 03:18 PM #29
      While I appreciate any TR, upon knowing that this beauty exists and being in its physical proximity, my heart belongs to she:

      http://www.canepacollection.com/deta...-13505029.html





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      04-04-2016 03:29 PM #30
      My god...That is just....Stunning. Like I keep looking at the lines on it. and the flat decklid. Amazing what a modern injection system did in making that center of gravity even lower.
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      04-04-2016 04:23 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by daviddepin View Post
      It wasn't long ago (less than 2 years) that you could find an early model Testarossa for not much more than $50k.
      Not quite 2 years ago. However, I dreamed of owning a 512TR when I got out of grad school. They were only about 80-95K at the time and it seemed like a good 5-8 year goal. They're now up to 250-300K for the same condition. That goal is getting pushed out a little.

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      04-04-2016 07:42 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by Cr4shT3st View Post
      For me, I love the 512M. The 512TR was a weird update.
      I LOVE the 512M.

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      Those look so wonky, I love them.

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      Or even the 550 vs the 575. In 25 years, there will be debates about which is more 'classic' Ferrari, I'll wager.
      Oh for sure.

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      http://www.canepacollection.com/deta...-13505029.html



      That is absolutely stunning.
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      04-05-2016 12:04 AM #33
      There are not as many major differences between Testarossa and 512TR as there between the Test/512TR and F512M.

      The M stands for Modificata.... and not just exterior changes which are quite obvious being the projector headlights rather than hidden pop-ups, dual NACA ducts, new front bumper that aped the F355's, 3 piece Speedline wheels, and my favorite difference are the quad round tail lights. Inside it had a new steering wheel, aluminum drilled pedals, and some newer seats.

      The F512M is significantly quicker than the TR (0.3 sec to 60) and this is due to a power bump, but also to the fact that it weighs almost 200 lbs less and revs much quicker.
      The body is lighter because it uses aluminum for the front fenders, rear quarter panels and the engine cover and a glass composite for the front lid

      But under the engine cover is where the most changes are. The M's engine was the lightest of the 5.0L “flat 12” engines, as well as being the most powerful. The weight savings came primarily from a lighter engine casting, forged aluminum pistons, titanium alloy connecting rods and a revised billet crankshaft. The transmission of the F512M was equipped with the same gear ratios, however it featured revised synchro's and a modified shift mechanism to speed up shifting and make it more precise.
      Weight was saved in the suspension as well with aluminum spindle hubs front and rear, aluminum sway bar attachment pieces, new lightweight aluminum shock absorbers and the unique two-piece lightweight wheels. The result of these combined efforts was a reduction of approximately 150 pounds over the previous model.The M has a lightened titanium crankshaft (almost 15lbs lighter from what I've read which is almost unbelievable), titanium connecting rods and different pistons. The compression ratio is 10:4 compared to 10:1 for the TR.

      The engine also sits almost a full inch lower in the M verses the TR. It's an amazing sounding flat-12 with almost 8k redline. I have a Tubi exhaust on mine and it is the best sounding car at WOT that I have ever driven.

      And finally only 500 were made worldwide with only 75 made to US specs.
































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      04-05-2016 12:11 AM #34
      ^ Thanks for sharing! So stunning
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      04-05-2016 12:12 AM #35
      I entered this thread to outpour my love for the 512M, and I come to see such a post from you, RS4PD.

      You're the man dude. Wow. ****.

      Nice car man, and great information.

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      04-05-2016 12:16 AM #36
      Can we get a link to that photo shoot?

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      04-05-2016 12:23 AM #37
      Between the early Testarossa and the 512TR, I would take the early car. Now throw in the 'M' and I would go that way all day.

      True story - when I started looking for a Mercedes Pagoda/Porsche 930 a early Testarossa was about the same price. A 'decent' Testarossa could be had in the 40-50s range in 2012-2013.

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      04-05-2016 12:29 AM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by Doug Butabi View Post
      Can we get a link to that photo shoot?
      Here you go.

      https://www.flickr.com/photos/133595...57665432455520

      I'd like to do some more photoshoots, especially some rolling shots but don't have the skill (or time) unfortunately. Some shots of the 360CS vs the 996 GT3 would be cool too or the Morgan 3W with the E type facing off.

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      04-05-2016 12:48 AM #39
      Thank you RS4SPD, I never knew the actual differences other than the updated body work.

      I know that this can result in my CL license being revoked but up until a date that I will never admit to ago, it never really dawned on me that the 12cyl was flat. Again....Ferrari = Awesome

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      04-05-2016 12:58 AM #40
      i read/saw somewhere that an iphone usb to audio jack with the ferrari logo on it cost somewhere around $700....factory original






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      04-05-2016 01:09 AM #41


      The 512M is perfect.

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      04-05-2016 01:22 AM #42
      I love the 512M. I was lucky enough to see this 1 of 1 in Dubai. The color is so pretty in person.





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      04-05-2016 01:25 AM #43
      I always loved the look of the 512TR. A friend of mine got to do a mountain drive (well, ride along) in one when I was young and his telling of the story certainly left an impression. The first time I saw one driving on the road myself, I was blown away by how truly low they are compared to other cars. A big part is just the visual picture when driving behind it with how low the rear deck is. I also recall a Car and Driver article from around 1992 where they drove one coast to coast, hitting 140mph or something along the way for long enough for the classic Ferrari "SLOW DOWN" light to illuminate, which I believe was to prevent the catalytic converters from overheating during sustained high speed driving. It's truly a legendary car.

      That said... this is the fitment to expect of older Ferrari's:


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      04-05-2016 05:05 AM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by RS4PD View Post
      Here you go.

      https://www.flickr.com/photos/133595...57665432455520

      I'd like to do some more photoshoots, especially some rolling shots but don't have the skill (or time) unfortunately. Some shots of the 360CS vs the 996 GT3 would be cool too or the Morgan 3W with the E type facing off.
      When we both have some spare time , I'd love to do a photoshoot.
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      04-05-2016 05:27 AM #45
      I may be the odd man out, but I always found the F512M to be wretchedly ugly. The modern front bumper on the angular body, the wheels that absolutely don't mesh with the overall style of the vehicle and the rear lights that seem shoehorned into the rear of the vehicle. Then you have the exposed lights -- it's like a rickety bridge from the 80s to the 90s.

      Stylistically, it's the Godfather III of the trilogy.
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      You even got a red head to work on your red head, nice!
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      04-05-2016 06:46 AM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by A.Wilder View Post
      You even got a red head to work on your red head, nice!

      Nicely spotted there

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      04-05-2016 07:06 AM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by karl_1052 View Post
      If you do get one, just make sure to park it for the winter.



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      04-05-2016 09:32 AM #49
      Mechanically, I think the 512M is a masterpiece. Stylistically? Ehhhhhhhh. I think the taillight treatment looks tacked on, and the front bumper reminds me of the last couple of years of any car run, just trying a bit too hard to modernize an old shape. I do like the fact that later cars had such a beautiful and varied color palate. Light colors just WORK on that body. You also have to appreciate that Ferrari kept up development on an aging warhorse, especially with an engine that had it's roots in late 60's/early 70's F1 and Sports Car technology.
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      04-05-2016 09:50 AM #50
      I can appreciate the improvements made to the 512TR and the F512M and the smaller production volumes. But to me the Testarossa just is the original and one of the few '80s supercars that has a very '80s styling, too.

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