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      12-03-2019 09:27 AM #726
      Clutch Manufacturer Locations:

      ACT - manufactured IN-HOUSE in Lancaster, CA - "In-house manufacturing is critical in tuning components specifically to each individual application, while maintaining the predictable ACT pedal feel across the entire catalog."
      Clutch Masters -
      manufactured IN-HOUSE in Rialto, CA - "An American Manufacturing company that takes pride in being able to say our parts are made in the USA"

      Sachs/SRE -
      manufactured IN-HOUSE in Germany
      South Bend -
      manufactured IN-HOUSE in Mishawaka, IN - "South Bend Clutch is a fourth generation family owned and operated business located in Mishawaka, Indiana (near South Bend, Indiana). All the manufacturing, rebuilding, and machining takes place at their facility, so all of their clutches are USA-built."
      SPEC -
      manufactured IN-HOUSE in Bessemer, AL - "Our clutches and flywheels are manufactured on-site using the most advanced methods under the strictest tolerances. We wouldn't have it any other way"




      Recommended:

      Stage 0-2 (will feel mostly like stock after break-in but hold more power than stock)

      FCP TTRS - 430 ft/lbs (DMF) - OEM parts - LIFETIME WARRANTY - no longer sold as a kit by FCP due to Golf R fitment problems and Sachs/SRE releasing their own kit (see below)

      SRE Stage 1 - 405 ft/lbs (DMF) - OEM parts - LIFETIME WARRANTY when purchased from FCPEuro


      HoD 6GT - 430 ft/lbs (DMF) - OEM parts


      RSR - 480 ft/lbs (DMF) - OEM parts with OEM self-adjusting pressure plate (keeps the engagement point in the same spot as the clutch material wears thinner over time)

      Ringer Racing - 475 ft/lbs (DMF) - 1/2 organic and 1/2 cerometallic - made by Clutch Masters

      South Bend Drop-in Disk - 400 ft/lbs - (DMF and stock pressure plate) - 1/2 organic and 1/2 feramic

      SPEC Stage 1 - 310 ft/lbs (DMF) - organic
      SPEC Stage 2 - 350 ft/lbs (DMF) - kevlar
      SPEC Stage 2+ - 390 ft/lbs (DMF) - kevlar/carbon graphite
      SPEC Stage 3 - 420 ft/lbs (DMF) - carbon graphite
      SPEC Stage 3+ - 450 ft/lbs (DMF) - carbon graphite/feramic
      SPEC Stage 4 - 420 ft/lbs (DMF) - carbon graphite

      Clutch Masters FX100 - 350 ft/lbs (DMF) - organic
      Clutch Masters FX250 - 390 ft/lbs (DMF) - organic/Fiber Tuff
      Clutch Masters FX350 - 480 ft/lbs (DMF) - Fiber Tuff


      Stage 2+ (will be grabbier than stock after break-in but hold even more power)

      SRE 4-puck - 600 ft/lbs (DMF) - ceramic - OEM supplier

      Ringer Racing - 590 ft/lbs (DMF) - full cerometallic - made by Clutch Masters

      SPEC Stage 5 - 588 ft/lbs (DMF) - feramic



      Because of the increased chance of thrust bearing failure/crank walk due to removal of the DMF (on most kits) along with the increased clamping from uprated pressure plates, the following clutches should be used with caution - installing a Fluidampr may be a good idea for the thrust bearing even though it's made to dampen torsional vibrations:

      ACT Streetlite - 340 ft/lbs (SMF)
      ACT Street - 500 ft/lbs (SMF)
      ACT Race 6 Puck - 640 ft/lbs (SMF)

      Clutch Masters FX100 - 350 ft/lbs (SMF) - organic
      Clutch Masters FX250 - 390 ft/lbs (SMF) - organic/Fiber Tuff
      Clutch Masters FX300 - 480 ft/lbs (SMF) - Kevlar
      Clutch Masters FX350 - 480 ft/lbs (SMF) - Fiber Tuff
      Clutch Masters FX400 - 500 ft/lbs (SMF) - Ceramic
      Clutch Masters FX450 - 635 ft/lbs (SMF) - Feramic
      Clutch Masters Super Single 850 - 800 ft/lbs (SMF)

      Ringer Racing - 475 ft/lbs (SMF) - 1/2 organic and 1/2 cerometallic - made by Clutch MastersRinger Racing - 590 ft/lbs (SMF) - full cerometallic - made by Clutch Masters

      RSR Hybrid (DMF) - OEM self-adjusting pressure plate - 1/2 organic and 1/2 kevlar - have seen failures at Stage 2+ power levels - https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/index...ippage.341404/South Bend Stage 2 Daily - 400 ft/lbs (SMF)

      South Bend Stage 2 Endurance - 465 ft/lbs (SMF) - 1/2 organic and 1/2 feramic
      South Bend Stage 2 Drag - 520 ft/lbs (SMF) - 6 puck ceramic
      South Bend Stage 3 Daily - 500 ft/lbs (SMF) - organic

      South Bend Stage 3 Endurance - 580 ft/lbs (SMF) - kevlar
      South Bend Stage 3 Drag - 600 ft/lbs (SMF) - 6 puck ceramic
      South Bend Stage 4 - 600 ft/lbs (SMF) - 4 puck fermaic
      South Bend Stage 4 Extreme - 675 ft/lbs (SMF) - 4 puck ceramic

      SPEC Stage 1 - 430 ft/lbs (SMF) - organic
      SPEC Stage 2 - 480 ft/lbs (SMF) - kevlar
      SPEC Stage 2+ - 535 ft/lbs (SMF) - kevlar/carbon graphite
      SPEC Stage 3 - 580 ft/lbs (SMF) - carbon graphite
      SPEC Stage 3+ - 671 ft/lbs (SMF) - carbon graphite/feramic
      SPEC Stage 4 - 580 ft/lbs (SMF) - carbon graphite
      SPEC Stage 5 - 820 ft/lbs (SMF) - feramic
      SPEC Twin Disk - Rally - 800ft/lbs (SMF)
      SPEC Twin Disk - Carbon - 1100 ft/lbs (SMF)

      SRE Stage 1 - 391 ft/lbs (SMF)
      SRE Stage 2 - 450 ft/lbs (SMF)











      Do to multiple clutch failures, engine failures, poor manufacturing and poor customer support, the following are NEVER recommended:

      ECS Stage 2 - 400 ft/lbs (SMF) - made by Competition Clutch in China
      DKM Stage 1 - 258 ft/lbs (SMF) - made by Competition Clutch in China
      DKM Stage 2 - 440 ft/lbs (SMF) - made by Competition Clutch in China
      DKM Twin Disk - 660 ft/lbs (SMF) - made by Competition Clutch in China
      - known to have problems with the clutch, customer service and thrust bearing failure/crank walk - https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37662
      DKM Stage 5 - 650 ft/lbs (SMF) - made by Competition Clutch in China - MR pressure plate (see below)
      BFI Stage 1 - 290 ft/lbs (DMF) - made by Competition Clutch or BFI in China -
      https://www.reddit.com/r/GolfGTI/com...rible_mistake/ and https://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showp...&postcount=176
      BFI Stage 2 - 400 ft/lbs (SMF) - made by Competition Clutch or BFI in China - known to have caused thrust bearing failure/crank walk -
      https://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showp...&postcount=162
      BFI Stage 3 - 450 ft/lbs (SMF) - made by Competition Clutch or BFI in China
      - known to have problems with the clutch and customer service - BFI Stage 3 issues - GOLFMK7 - VW GTI MKVII Forum / VW Golf R Forum / VW Golf MKVII Forum and
      https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...#post113778853
      BFI Stage 4 - 500 ft/lbs (SMF) - made by Competition Clutch or BFI in China - has the same pressure plate as the Stage 3 kit
      BFI Stage 5 - 550 ft/lbs (SMF) - made by Competition Clutch or BFI in China
      - has the same pressure plate as the Stage 3 kit

      ////WARNING from Competition Clutch\\\\
      "The increased pressure required to release the Twin Disc (MR kit) puts a significant amount of load on the crankshaft thrust bearings. Starting the engine with the clutch pedal depressed -when the bearings are cold and dry- will cause accelerated wear. To reduce the amount of wear on these bearings, you should consider bypassing the starter interlock switch on the clutch pedal and start the engine with the car in neutral and the clutch released. Use extreme caution when disabling the interlock switch as it is a safety device. Never disable any safety device on a street-legal car."
      Diaphragm load on the OEM clutch is most likely around 380lb
      Diaphragm load on the MS kit can be between 440-480lbs
      Diaphragm load on the MR kit can be from 700lb-900lb

      PS, it's impossible to bypass the starter interlock switch on the clutch pedal in the MK7. Some progress is being made but increased risk of thrust bearing damage when running an SMF will be a factor unless clutchless starting can be achieved.
      Definitive list of MK7 clutch options: https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...#post113931767

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      12-03-2019 11:50 AM #727
      Quote Originally Posted by Universal_Remonster View Post
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      Is there a possible way you could highlight the changes everytime you repost the same list over and over? I can't keep track of what changes and I'm sure every other member on here will have no idea what has changed unless they study the list.

      Also why do you need to repost the list almost on a daily basis? What could change that much daily?

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      12-03-2019 11:55 AM #728
      Quote Originally Posted by EPilot View Post
      Is there a possible way you could highlight the changes everytime you repost the same list over and over? I can't keep track of what changes and I'm sure every other member on here will have no idea what has changed unless they study the list.

      Also why do you need to repost the list almost on a daily basis? What could change that much daily?
      Can't do highlighting as some have said that it doesn't show up well on their browsers. I may go back to all black formatting.

      Things change daily as new feedback is given, new options are made available and wording is clarified based on feedback.
      Definitive list of MK7 clutch options: https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...#post113931767

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      12-03-2019 05:50 PM #729
      Quote Originally Posted by Universal_Remonster View Post
      Can't do highlighting as some have said that it doesn't show up well on their browsers. I may go back to all black formatting.

      Things change daily as new feedback is given, new options are made available and wording is clarified based on feedback.
      Still there's no need to repost the list every time a word is said.

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      12-03-2019 05:56 PM #730
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      If you aren't going to post anything informative in this topic then don't post in the topic.


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      12-03-2019 05:56 PM #731
      Quote Originally Posted by Colty_CM View Post
      I can't comment on BFI customer service or any of their products, but I would like to see proof as to where their clutch is assembled and by whom. Say whatever you'd like, I just want any documentation. I'm with the general public of preferring to pay a bit more knowing that it's a quality item, that I can feel good knowing I purchased from a company with workers paid and treated fairly, this can't be guaranteed in many countries overseas. I don't like the iPhone for being produced in factories with suicide nets, I would feel the same about any aftermarket component.
      They seem to be ignoring you but you're clearly not alone with wanting a little transparency and customer service from the companies that you chose to do business with.

      On a more positive note, I've had to use the Lifetime Warranty by FCP Euro in the past and they not only gave me a full refund/replacement but also covered all labor costs as well as return shipping. Now THAT'S what you call customer service!
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      12-03-2019 05:58 PM #732
      Quote Originally Posted by EPilot View Post
      Still there's no need to repost the list every time a word is said.
      I'll only do reposts at large updates, format changes or significant additions.
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      12-03-2019 08:34 PM #733
      Large update coming tomorrow to fix the formatting and color that doesn't show up well on some devices.
      Last edited by Universal_Remonster; 12-03-2019 at 08:58 PM.
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      12-05-2019 09:50 AM #734
      Clutch Manufacturer Locations:

      ACT - manufactured IN-HOUSE in Lancaster, CA- "In-house manufacturing is critical in tuning components specifically to each individual application, while maintaining the predictable ACT pedal feel across the entire catalog."
      Clutch Masters - manufactured IN-HOUSE in Rialto, CA- "An American Manufacturing company that takes pride in being able to say our parts are made in the USA"

      Sachs/SRE - manufactured IN-HOUSE in Germany
      South Bend - manufactured IN-HOUSE in Mishawaka, IN- "South Bend Clutch is a fourth generation family owned and operated business located in Mishawaka, Indiana (near South Bend, Indiana). All the manufacturing, rebuilding, and machining takes place at their facility, so all of their clutches are USA-built."
      SPEC - manufactured IN-HOUSE in Bessemer, AL- "Our clutches and flywheels are manufactured on-site using the most advanced methods under the strictest tolerances. We wouldn't have it any other way"


      Clutch Materials:

      Organic -
      Metal-fiber woven into "organic" (actually CF aramid with other materials), original-equipment style. Known for smooth engagement, long life, broad operating temperature, minimal-to-no break in period. Will take hard use, somewhat intolerant of repeated abuse (will overheat). Will return to almost full operational condition if overheated.
      Kevlar - Engagement is similar to organic, but may glaze slightly in stop-and-go traffic, resulting in slippage. Higher temp range in general, but can be ruined from overheating - will not return to original characteristics if "cooked". Has a break-in period of 500-1000 miles during which slippage may occur.
      Fibertuff - Fibertuff is a product designed to give the wear of a ceramic facing, yet have the engagement and disengagement qualities of an organic material.

      Ceramic/Carbon Graphite/Cerometallic -
      Very high temperature materials, usually only found on multi-puck disks. Engagement is more abrupt. Will wear flywheel surface faster, especially in traffic situations. Carbon is slightly more durable and flywheel-friendly, ceramic has a higher temp range. Multi-puck design may result in slight shuddering or "stepped" engagement when used in traffic situations.
      Feramic - Feramic is essentially a heavy-duty version of ceramic clutch discs. Made of similar materials – steel, silicon, graphite, etc. – feramic has an extremely high amount of friction, so they’re best used for machines that require quick lock-up like racing

      Recommended:

      Stage 0-2 (will feel mostly like stock after break-in but hold more power than stock)

      FCP TTRS - 430 ft/lbs (DMF) - organic - OEM parts - LIFETIME WARRANTY - no longer sold as a kit by FCP due to Golf R fitment problems and Sachs/SRE releasing their own kit (see below)

      SRE Stage 1 - 405 ft/lbs (DMF) - organic - OEM parts - LIFETIME WARRANTY when purchased from FCPEuro

      Helix - 420 ft/lbs (DMF) - organic
      Helix 6 Puck - 480 ft/lbs (DMF) - cerometallic

      HoD 6GT - 430 ft/lbs (DMF) - organic - OEM parts


      Ringer Racing - 475 ft/lbs (DMF) - 1/2 organic and 1/2 cerometallic - made by Clutch Masters

      RSR - 480 ft/lbs (DMF) - organic - OEM parts with OEM self-adjusting pressure plate (keeps the engagement point in the same spot as the clutch material wears thinner over time)

      RTS Dual Friction - 450 ft/lbs (DMF) - organic/kevlar
      RTS 5 Puck - 530 ft/lbs (DMF)

      South Bend Drop-in Disk - 400 ft/lbs - (DMF and stock pressure plate) - 1/2 organic and 1/2 feramic - mixed reports at holding high torque but safest option for the thrust bearing as it uses the stock pressure plate

      SPEC Stage 1 - 310 ft/lbs (DMF) - organic
      SPEC Stage 2 - 350 ft/lbs (DMF) - kevlar
      SPEC Stage 2+ - 390 ft/lbs (DMF) - kevlar/carbon graphite
      SPEC Stage 3 - 420 ft/lbs (DMF) - carbon graphite
      SPEC Stage 3+ - 450 ft/lbs (DMF) - carbon graphite/feramic
      SPEC Stage 4 - 420 ft/lbs (DMF) - carbon graphite

      Clutch Masters FX100 - 350 ft/lbs (DMF) - organic
      Clutch Masters FX250 - 390 ft/lbs (DMF) - organic/Fiber Tuff
      Clutch Masters FX350 - 480 ft/lbs (DMF) - Fiber Tuff


      Stage 2+ (will be grabbier than stock after break-in but hold even more power)

      SRE 4-puck - 600 ft/lbs (DMF) - ceramic - OEM supplier

      Ringer Racing - 590 ft/lbs (DMF) - full cerometallic - made by Clutch Masters

      SPEC Stage 5 - 588 ft/lbs (DMF) - feramic



      Because of the increased chance of thrust bearing failure/crank walk due to removal of the DMF (on most kits below) along with the increased clamping from uprated pressure plates, the following clutches should be used with caution - installing a Fluidampr may be a good idea for the thrust bearing even though it's made to dampen torsional vibrations:

      ACT Streetlite - 340 ft/lbs (SMF) - organic
      ACT Street - 500 ft/lbs (SMF) - organic
      ACT Race 6 Puck - 640 ft/lbs (SMF) - ceramic

      Clutch Masters FX100 - 350 ft/lbs (SMF) - organic
      Clutch Masters FX250 - 390 ft/lbs (SMF) - organic/Fiber Tuff
      Clutch Masters FX300 - 480 ft/lbs (SMF) - Kevlar
      Clutch Masters FX350 - 480 ft/lbs (SMF) - Fiber Tuff
      Clutch Masters FX400 - 500 ft/lbs (SMF) - Ceramic
      Clutch Masters FX450 - 635 ft/lbs (SMF) - Feramic
      Clutch Masters Super Single 850 - 800 ft/lbs (SMF)
      Ringer Racing - 475 ft/lbs (SMF) - 1/2 organic and 1/2 cerometallic - made by Clutch MastersRinger Racing - 590 ft/lbs (SMF) - full cerometallic - made by Clutch Masters

      RSR Hybrid (DMF) - OEM self-adjusting pressure plate - 1/2 organic and 1/2 kevlar - have seen failures at Stage 2+ power levels - https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/index...ippage.341404/

      South Bend Stage 2 Daily - 400 ft/lbs (SMF)
      South Bend Stage 2 Endurance - 465 ft/lbs (SMF) - 1/2 organic and 1/2 feramic
      South Bend Stage 2 Drag - 520 ft/lbs (SMF) - 6 puck ceramic
      South Bend Stage 3 Daily - 500 ft/lbs (SMF) - organic -
      https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/index...0#post-7368427
      South Bend Stage 3 Endurance - 580 ft/lbs (SMF) - kevlar
      South Bend Stage 3 Drag - 600 ft/lbs (SMF) - 6 puck ceramic
      South Bend Stage 4 - 600 ft/lbs (SMF) - 4 puck fermaic
      South Bend Stage 4 Extreme - 675 ft/lbs (SMF) - 4 puck ceramic

      SPEC Stage 1 - 430 ft/lbs (SMF) - organic
      SPEC Stage 2 - 480 ft/lbs (SMF) - kevlar
      SPEC Stage 2+ - 535 ft/lbs (SMF) - kevlar/carbon graphite
      SPEC Stage 3 - 580 ft/lbs (SMF) - carbon graphite
      SPEC Stage 3+ - 671 ft/lbs (SMF) - carbon graphite/feramic
      SPEC Stage 4 - 580 ft/lbs (SMF) - carbon graphite
      SPEC Stage 5 - 820 ft/lbs (SMF) - feramic
      SPEC Twin Disk - Rally - 800ft/lbs (SMF)
      SPEC Twin Disk - Carbon - 1100 ft/lbs (SMF)

      SRE Stage 1 - 391 ft/lbs (SMF) - organic
      SRE Stage 2 - 450 ft/lbs (SMF) - organic











      Do to multiple clutch failures, engine failures, poor manufacturing and poor customer support, the following are NEVER recommended:

      DKM Stage 1 - 258 ft/lbs (SMF) - made by Competition Clutch in China
      DKM Stage 2 - 440 ft/lbs (SMF) - made by Competition Clutch in China
      DKM Twin Disk - 660 ft/lbs (SMF) - made by Competition Clutch in China
      - known to have problems with the clutch, customer service and thrust bearing failure/crank walk - https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37662
      DKM Stage 5 - 650 ft/lbs (SMF) - made by Competition Clutch in China - MR pressure plate!! (see below)
      BFI Stage 1 - 290 ft/lbs (SMF) - made by Competition Clutch or BFI in China -
      https://www.reddit.com/r/GolfGTI/com...rible_mistake/ and https://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showp...&postcount=176
      BFI Stage 2 - 400 ft/lbs (SMF) - made by Competition Clutch or BFI in China -
      known to have caused thrust bearing failure/crank walk - https://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showp...&postcount=162
      BFI Stage 3 - 450 ft/lbs (SMF) - made by Competition Clutch or BFI in China
      - known to have problems with the clutch and customer service - BFI Stage 3 issues - GOLFMK7 - VW GTI MKVII Forum / VW Golf R Forum / VW Golf MKVII Forum and
      https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...#post113778853
      BFI Stage 4 - 500 ft/lbs (SMF) - made by Competition Clutch or BFI in China -
      has the same pressure plate as the Stage 3 kit which can cause thrust bearing failure
      BFI Stage 5 - 550 ft/lbs (SMF) - made by Competition Clutch or BFI in China
      - has the same pressure plate as the Stage 3 kit which can cause thrust bearing failure

      ////WARNING from Competition Clutch\\\\
      "The increased pressure required to release the Twin Disc (MR kit) puts a significant amount of load on the crankshaft thrust bearings. Starting the engine with the clutch pedal depressed -when the bearings are cold and dry- will cause accelerated wear. To reduce the amount of wear on these bearings, you should consider bypassing the starter interlock switch on the clutch pedal and start the engine with the car in neutral and the clutch released. Use extreme caution when disabling the interlock switch as it is a safety device. Never disable any safety device on a street-legal car."
      Diaphragm load on the OEM clutch is most likely around 380lb
      Diaphragm load on the MS kit can be between 440-480lbs
      Diaphragm load on the MR kit can be from 700lb-900lb

      PS, it's impossible to bypass the starter interlock switch on the clutch pedal in the MK7 without throwing error codes. Some progress is being made but increased risk of thrust bearing damage when running an SMF will be a factor unless clutchless starting can be achieved.
      Last edited by Universal_Remonster; 12-17-2019 at 05:04 PM.
      Definitive list of MK7 clutch options: https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...#post113931767

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      12-09-2019 01:41 PM #735
      Efforts are being made to try and get around the starter interlock switch which could negate some of the problems with SMF clutches if a solution is found: https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/index....363548/page-9
      Definitive list of MK7 clutch options: https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...#post113931767

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      12-09-2019 02:16 PM #736
      Quote Originally Posted by Universal_Remonster View Post
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      I'm going to say the same thing as before WHAT CHANGED??????

      There is nothing glaring that has changed dramatically enough to necessitate a whole new reposting other than color changes that make no sense since there is no color key telling you what those weird colors mean. Light grey text???

      At this point it's just a repost as a bump and it's getting annoying.

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      12-09-2019 02:29 PM #737
      Quote Originally Posted by EPilot View Post
      I'm going to say the same thing as before WHAT CHANGED??????

      There is nothing glaring that has changed dramatically enough to necessitate a whole new reposting other than color changes that make no sense since there is no color key telling you what those weird colors mean. Light grey text???

      At this point it's just a repost as a bump and it's getting annoying.
      An entirely new section was added. See "Clutch Materials".

      I'm not seeing any weird colors.

      Would it be easier to sticky the post?
      Definitive list of MK7 clutch options: https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...#post113931767

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      12-10-2019 11:08 AM #738
      Quote Originally Posted by Universal_Remonster View Post
      An entirely new section was added. See "Clutch Materials".

      I'm not seeing any weird colors.

      Would it be easier to sticky the post?
      The colors are bad on my side. Light grey text and other text colored for no apparent reason at all because you have no color key giving a reason as to what the colors mean.

      Also you updated the whole list again just to include clutch materials? There's no reason for that just post that.

      Why would I sticky this?

      Please if you update this again, and I'm not seeing a need to update this weekly like you are, make it clear what has been updated or otherwise edit your post.

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      12-12-2019 05:38 PM #739
      Quote Originally Posted by EPilot View Post
      The colors are bad on my side. Light grey text and other text colored for no apparent reason at all because you have no color key giving a reason as to what the colors mean.

      Also you updated the whole list again just to include clutch materials? There's no reason for that just post that.

      Why would I sticky this?

      Please if you update this again, and I'm not seeing a need to update this weekly like you are, make it clear what has been updated or otherwise edit your post.
      I'm not seeing any weird colors but I'll look using a different browser. Mine is set up for high contrast so maybe that's it.
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      12-17-2019 05:05 PM #740
      Added clutches from Helix and RTS
      Definitive list of MK7 clutch options: https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...#post113931767

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      12-18-2019 04:02 PM #741
      has anyone installed South bend drop in disk? I'm APR stage 1 and only 45K on the car. this is a low-cost upgrade and don't need to replace flywheel and pressure plate.
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      12-18-2019 04:13 PM #742
      Just bought a RSR DMFW clutch from HS Tuning with a new OEM Flywheel from FCP Euro.

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      12-19-2019 09:11 AM #743
      Would it be ok to use the Drop-in south bend disk with my stock pressure plate with only 45k on it? I'm only looking into this as the trans is out of my car for a bad synchro the dealer is replacing. They said if I wanted to do a clutch they would not charge me since it's apart already. I don't have a lot to spend. any advice would be great

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    20. 12-19-2019 03:18 PM #744
      Quote Originally Posted by vwman1980 View Post
      Would it be ok to use the Drop-in south bend disk with my stock pressure plate with only 45k on it? I'm only looking into this as the trans is out of my car for a bad synchro the dealer is replacing. They said if I wanted to do a clutch they would not charge me since it's apart already. I don't have a lot to spend. any advice would be great

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      Wouldn't do much if anything as the weak point is the pressure plate. If I were in your position and essentially getting free labor, I would come up with the funds somehow if you intend to replace the clutch in the future and just get it done now.

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      12-19-2019 04:37 PM #745
      Quote Originally Posted by TheRussiankid View Post
      Wouldn't do much if anything as the weak point is the pressure plate. If I were in your position and essentially getting free labor, I would come up with the funds somehow if you intend to replace the clutch in the future and just get it done now.
      Not exactly true. It will hold more torque than the stock disk but not as much as something that also replaces the pressure plate. It won't put any extra stress on the thrust bearing though which is much safer in the long run. I'd only count on it holding Stage 1 power levels given the lower torque rating.
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    22. 12-22-2019 02:41 PM #746
      Quote Originally Posted by Universal_Remonster View Post
      Not exactly true. It will hold more torque than the stock disk but not as much as something that also replaces the pressure plate. It won't put any extra stress on the thrust bearing though which is much safer in the long run. I'd only count on it holding Stage 1 power levels given the lower torque rating.
      Yes the disk will hold more torque than the stock disk but your weak point is still the PP. Like I said if I was in OP's position, I'd get the whole clutch replaced.

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      01-01-2020 05:25 PM #747
      Quote Originally Posted by Jort6668 View Post
      The Thrust bearing is the weak point of the clutch system? Is there an exact number of thrust bearing failures?


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      I have heard this said a few times but seems more like an urban legend to me. I have spoken to more than a few VW specialty mechanics and they’ve never seen a case. Pressure plate seems to be the weak link in all my research. I have had two aftermarket setups now.


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      01-01-2020 05:27 PM #748
      Quote Originally Posted by vwjunky18t View Post
      I have heard this said a few times but seems more like an urban legend to me. I have spoken to more than a few VW specialty mechanics and they’ve never seen a case. Pressure plate seems to be the weak link in all my research. I have had two aftermarket setups now.


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      You might want to find a new "specialty mechanic" as the problem happens with some regularity. Read the links already posted and you'll find lots of thrust bearing failures.
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      01-01-2020 06:00 PM #749
      I know you say it a lot and spill your second hand horror stories with an iron fist, but outside your safe space nobody is worried. I’ll keep my independent VW/Audi certified mechanics instead of taking advice from a keyboard thug.


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      01-02-2020 04:10 PM #750
      Quote Originally Posted by vwjunky18t View Post
      I have heard this said a few times but seems more like an urban legend to me. I have spoken to more than a few VW specialty mechanics and they’ve never seen a case. Pressure plate seems to be the weak link in all my research. I have had two aftermarket setups now.


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      Tell this guy it's a urban legend...
      https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/index...ricked.363548/

      Or JR14 who documented his thrust bearing failing on his YouTube channel.

      It's actually a real thing... While I think it's a small percentage of cars that are effected, it's still something to consider when picking a clutch out.

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