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      04-27-2016 04:06 PM #1
      So I have searched thoroughly and I have found many many threads relating to clutch issues and very few of them have any valuable information. My hope is that we can have a good discussion about people's experiences with different aftermarket clutch kits and the type of power/driving they do with their cars.

      I'll go first.

      I have the APR low output tune and am noticing a little of what I perceive as clutch slippage in high torque situations. It's not a full blown loss of hold, but i don't think the pressure plate can't hold and the clutch momentarily slips, then grabs again. I am considering a BFI stg 2 or 3 clutch kit as I want something that can hold 400 ft/lbs in case I upgrade to a IS38 at some point. I do drive this car everyday so I want something livable for the daily commute, but will still hold when I want to put my foot down.

      Any suggestions welcome. First hand experience with the BFI stg. 2 or 3 kits would be great.

      Thanks in advance

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      04-27-2016 06:21 PM #2
      If you're on the fence between Stage 2 and Stage 3, I would always recommend Stage 3. That way you have a higher threshold for how much power you can put down. Here's a couple of links to reviews of our clutches!



      Stage 4 MK7 Clutch - http://gtireview.com/nenad-2015-vw-g...lutch-upgrade/
      Stage 3 MK6 Clutch - https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...tch-kit-review

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      04-27-2016 09:18 PM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
      If you're on the fence between Stage 2 and Stage 3, I would always recommend Stage 3. That way you have a higher threshold for how much power you can put down. Here's a couple of links to reviews of our clutches!

      Stage 4 MK7 Clutch - http://gtireview.com/nenad-2015-vw-g...lutch-upgrade/
      Stage 3 MK6 Clutch - https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...tch-kit-review

      If you have any questions, feel free to shoot me a message!
      Mike

      Do you feel the stage 3 kit compromises daily drivability when compared to the stage 2 kit? I'm not an old lady but I don't want to be tortured in traffic. I am accustomed to lightened SMF.

      Also, Based on your site it appears both kits use the same flywheel and pressure plate, with the only difference being the disc. Full faced vs segmented. Am I correct?
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      04-28-2016 01:16 AM #4
      Car looks great. I'm experiencing clutch slip on apr stage1 low output.. So I want to upgrade as well. Was looking into an option from HStuning as well. Couldn't find any reviews on it though.

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      04-28-2016 08:19 AM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by Casburnc View Post
      Car looks great. I'm experiencing clutch slip on apr stage1 low output.. So I want to upgrade as well. Was looking into an option from HStuning as well. Couldn't find any reviews on it though.
      Don't think twice, get the HS Tuning RSR kit. It has completely exceeded my expectations!

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      04-28-2016 09:02 AM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by Lombm33 View Post
      Don't think twice, get the HS Tuning RSR kit. It has completely exceeded my expectations!
      Or SRE or 6GT. Why would anyone waste their money on the BFI when there are much better options available?
      Definitive list of MK7 clutch options: https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...#post113931767

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      04-28-2016 10:41 AM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by Casburnc View Post
      Car looks great. I'm experiencing clutch slip on apr stage1 low output.. So I want to upgrade as well. Was looking into an option from HStuning as well. Couldn't find any reviews on it though.

      Thanks! I have also been looking at the South Bend and Clutchmasters options, but the HStuning kit must have slipped by me.

      Just out of curiosity, under what circumstances are you getting your clutch to slip? Mine is still rather sporadic and really only happens with my foot on the floor in a lower gear.
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      04-28-2016 10:48 AM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by vwjunky18t View Post
      Mike

      Do you feel the stage 3 kit compromises daily drivability when compared to the stage 2 kit? I'm not an old lady but I don't want to be tortured in traffic. I am accustomed to lightened SMF.

      Also, Based on your site it appears both kits use the same flywheel and pressure plate, with the only difference being the disc. Full faced vs segmented. Am I correct?
      I can guarantee that the Stage 3 kit is great for a daily driven vehicle. After about a day of driving it, you'll be completely used to it. When compared to other clutches I've used where it feels like I had to stand on the pedal for it to engage, our clutch has an extremely comfortable feel to it. As for the differences, they do use the same pressure plate and flywheel.

      The difference is that the Stage 2 use a full faced, steel back, semi metallic disc, while the Stage 3 uses a segmented ceramic disc. With them using the same pressure plate, the pedal will feel the same with either one, with just a difference in engagement.

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      04-28-2016 10:52 AM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
      When compared to other clutches I've used where it feels like I had to stand on the pedal for it to engage, our clutch has an extremely comfortable feel to it.
      LOL

      Have you driven the SRE, 6GT or RSR?
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      04-28-2016 10:58 AM #10
      I looked at the HS tuning option and there is no flywheel included. I do know I want to get rid the DMF setup all together so that may not be the kit for me.
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      04-28-2016 11:13 AM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
      I can guarantee that the Stage 3 kit is great for a daily driven vehicle. After about a day of driving it, you'll be completely used to it. When compared to other clutches I've used where it feels like I had to stand on the pedal for it to engage, our clutch has an extremely comfortable feel to it. As for the differences, they do use the same pressure plate and flywheel.

      The difference is that the Stage 2 use a full faced, steel back, semi metallic disc, while the Stage 3 uses a segmented ceramic disc. With them using the same pressure plate, the pedal will feel the same with either one, with just a difference in engagement.
      Mike,

      Thanks for the feedback. It has helped me in my decision process and hopefully others as well. If any more review pop up please share them here.
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      04-28-2016 11:15 AM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by Universal_Remonster View Post
      LOL

      Have you driven the SRE, 6GT or RSR?

      Have you driven the BFI setup? Thanks for sharing you opinion, but bashing others is not helpful to anyone. I will also look into the options you have suggested.
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      04-28-2016 11:15 AM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by vwjunky18t View Post
      Mike,

      Thanks for the feedback. It has helped me in my decision process and hopefully others as well. If any more review pop up please share them here.
      No problem! If you ever have any questions about anything else, feel free to shoot me a PM. I'm glad to help.

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      04-28-2016 12:04 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by Universal_Remonster View Post
      Have you driven the SRE, 6GT or RSR?
      After looking at these I don't think they are what I am looking for. Continuing to use the stock DMF is a bad idea in my opinion. I would rather spend more money up front and get something I can continue to grow into. The price tags are appealing but I believe they will cost me more in the long run. The Sachs kit is interesting and does have a SMF option, but I am not sure it's a capable as some of the others, and costs as much as or more than any of the rest.

      If you are wondering why I want to replace the DMF, here is an article that kind of explains the fundamental flaws in the design. It is fine for most cars, but when you are throwing an excess of 400 ft/lbs at it, expect issues eventually. http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/faq/dual-mass-flywheels/ I beleive the flywheel is as much as an issue if not more than the clutch or PP. I want all that garbage out of there.
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      04-28-2016 12:22 PM #15
      So here i what i have looked at in case anyone is interested. Really still only considering a kit that includes a SMF.


      Clutch/PP/SMF Flywheel Kits

      Black Forest Industries (MFG'd by Competition Clutch) - Multiple power options http://store.blackforestindustries.com/mk7gti20t1.html
      South Bend - Multiple power options http://www.ngpracing.com/newstore/vo...-clutch-en-22/
      Clutchmasters - Multiple power options http://www.clutchmasters.com/2015-20...7-tsi-6-speed/
      Sach's - (SMF optional) One power option http://www.sachsperformance.com/Sach...5950_5953.html

      Clutch\PP only (re use DMF)

      HSTuning Kit (claims 480 ft\lbs) http://www.hstuning.com/product_info...oducts_id=3888
      House of Dub - (claims 430 ft\lbs) https://shop.hausofdub.com/products/...6gt-clutch-kit
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      04-28-2016 12:29 PM #16
      Can anyone running a unitronic stage 1+ tune recommend a clutch? This is as far as I plan to take the car on power but I'm not sure what clutch kit to go with. I want to replace the flywheel with a lighter one so I was looking at BFI and Southbend.

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      04-28-2016 12:45 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by jorban108 View Post
      This is as far as I plan to take the car on power but...
      I've said that a bunch of times

      I consider holding 400 ft\lbs a minimum for me. That should handle stage 2\IS38 power if the day comes. I'd prefer to be closer to 425-450
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      04-28-2016 12:49 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by vwjunky18t View Post
      I've said that a bunch of times

      I consider holding 400 ft\lbs a minimum for me. That should handle stage 2\IS38 power if the day comes. I'd prefer to be closer to 425-450
      I doubt I'm ever gonna hit that point but you have agood point haha

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    21. 04-28-2016 12:56 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by Lombm33 View Post
      Don't think twice, get the HS Tuning RSR kit. It has completely exceeded my expectations!
      Any chatter?

      My friend upgraded his 911 clutch and it sounded like crap. Ruined the car in my opinion.

      I want a stronger clutch but not at the expense of chatter. Car sounded horrible!

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      04-28-2016 03:53 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by v-1 View Post
      Any chatter?

      My friend upgraded his 911 clutch and it sounded like crap. Ruined the car in my opinion.

      I want a stronger clutch but not at the expense of chatter. Car sounded horrible!
      Did he keep his stock flywheel? If so DMF or SMF?
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      04-28-2016 03:54 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by vwjunky18t View Post
      Did he keep his stock flywheel? If so DMF or SMF?
      What is DMF and SMF?

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      04-28-2016 04:10 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by jorban108 View Post
      What is DMF and SMF?

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      Dual Mass Flywheel and Single Mass Flywheel.

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      04-28-2016 04:29 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
      Dual Mass Flywheel and Single Mass Flywheel.
      ^^^ Thanks
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      04-28-2016 04:29 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
      Dual Mass Flywheel and Single Mass Flywheel.
      Thanks guys!

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      04-28-2016 04:34 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by v-1 View Post
      Any chatter?

      My friend upgraded his 911 clutch and it sounded like crap. Ruined the car in my opinion.

      I want a stronger clutch but not at the expense of chatter. Car sounded horrible!
      I'm curious. What is the source of the chatter? The friction disk? Transmission??
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