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    Thread: My 1984 Rabbit GTI build thread: Haldex + 2.1L + GTX3584RS + E85.

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      03-27-2017 11:08 PM #101
      Quote Originally Posted by Dave20v View Post
      Your speedo idea, could it work with 02m transmission. One of the solutions o found firmly projet was to use a cable-x module.
      Since both the 02J and 02M use a digital sensor without any moving parts, I think the only option is the cable-x module. The speed sensor in the 02A and 02C transmissions were a hybrid mechanical/digital design using an actual plastic gear mated to a sensor.
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      03-29-2017 12:25 AM #102
      I just ordered the speedo cable that will connect the speed sensor to the MK2 16V gauge cluster. It is from a Golf 2 G60 (PN: 191957803E). Also, here's a great DIY on how to convert an MK1 to an MK2 cluster.

      https://vwgolfmk1.org.uk/forum/index...-in-a-mk1-my_2

      Fits perfect inside the MK1 dashboard!

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      03-29-2017 11:06 AM #103
      woah woah woah, is that little MK1 RHD?!

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      03-29-2017 11:26 AM #104
      Quote Originally Posted by Synapse215 View Post
      woah woah woah, is that little MK1 RHD?!
      Yes, yes, yes sir. RHD FTW!

      EDIT: The MK1 in the DIY is RHD. Mine will remain LHD.
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      03-29-2017 12:35 PM #105
      This build keeps getting better and better!

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      03-29-2017 12:46 PM #106
      Quote Originally Posted by 35i 2000 View Post
      wow this is by far the most clever approach i've seen to having a digital speed signal!! excellent work mate!
      Just wanted to second this notion, I didn't even know this was possible. Did you figure this out on your own or find the info?

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      03-29-2017 01:29 PM #107
      Quote Originally Posted by Synapse215 View Post
      This build keeps getting better and better!
      Thanks, man!

      Quote Originally Posted by Synapse215 View Post
      Just wanted to second this notion, I didn't even know this was possible. Did you figure this out on your own or find the info?
      I totally had to figure that out on my own. I had to get very creative with Google to try and find the *theoretical* part I was looking for. To my surprise, an image showed up that looked like it would work. I ended up emailing a guy in the UK to see if the part would fit. He couldn't tell me but said that most speedo cables in Europe and the UK are pretty standard. M18x1.5 thread IIRC. So I took a chance and bought the pass-through sensor to see if it would fit. When it arrived, to my surprise it was a direct replacement for the VW sensor (top part). I only had to add a few spacers to make it work perfect. I just ordered the speedo cable from a guy Greece. It is an OEM part from the G60 Golf (Syncro?). It should also be a direct fit. We'll see.
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    10. 03-29-2017 11:24 PM #108
      Quote Originally Posted by mainstayinc View Post
      I just ordered the speedo cable that will connect the speed sensor to the MK2 16V gauge cluster. It is from a Golf 2 G60 (PN: 191957803E). Also, here's a great DIY on how to convert an MK1 to an MK2 cluster.
      may i add that the fact that this is going to be RHD, officially checks off all the boxes for an incredible build, totally unique, totally different

      curious how come you had to order a Golf 2 G60 speedo cable, you need a speedo cable that threads on one end and clips in to the Mark II cluster on the other end, isn't that how normal Mark II speedo cables are?

      keep up the amazing work
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      03-30-2017 08:24 AM #109
      Quote Originally Posted by 35i 2000 View Post
      may i add that the fact that this is going to be RHD, officially checks off all the boxes for an incredible build, totally unique, totally different

      curious how come you had to order a Golf 2 G60 speedo cable, you need a speedo cable that threads on one end and clips in to the Mark II cluster on the other end, isn't that how normal Mark II speedo cables are?

      keep up the amazing work
      I probably confused people by posting that DIY which is from the UK and shows a RHD MK1. Mine will still remain LHD but the cluster install will be the same. As far as the speedo cable, you are correct. It has to thread on one end and clip onto the other. I think normal MK2 cables attach differently on the transmission side, but I may be wrong. The research I did pointed me to either using a Golf MK2 G60 speedo cable or a Golf 1.3 cable.

      Sorry for the confusion on the RDH/LHD issue.
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      03-30-2017 08:29 AM #110
      I just edited my previous post (#104) about RHD/LHD to make it more clear. I thought Synapse215 was referring to the MK1 in the DIY. After re-reading the original post, I can totally see how most people would read that differently than what I originally intended to say. **insert facepalm here** LOL. I will probably post some new material in the next few days.
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      04-01-2017 06:05 PM #111
      UPDATE: After reading Gulfstreams' timing gear failure, I decided to stop by Bill's shop yesterday to examine my TDI Dowel Pin Kit from IE which also uses a modified OEM 1.8T timing gear.



      The timing gear has the 'key' (the part that fits into the keyway) machined off and two holes drilled into the hub for the dowel pins. We discussed the idea of upgrading the timing gear to IE's billet steel gear as insurance against possible failure. Bill said he knows a machine shop that can machine the 'key' section and drill the dowel pin holes in the timing gear. He suggested that we use the modified OEM timing gear from the IE kit as a template to locate the dowel pin holes. I really doubt that my modified OEM timing gear would fail since I am building a street car. However, it makes sense to upgrade this part now while I am building the engine in case I decide to track the car in the future.

      I've been resisting buying a Fluidampr pulley since it is expensive and I don't see the benefit outweighing the cost. However, I am starting to think that this might be a good idea especially with a stroked out 2.1L engine. It definately vibrates more than the stock 1.8T due to increased rod angle during the expansion stroke. Anyone have any experience with the Fluidampr?

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      04-01-2017 07:16 PM #112
      All I can say is fluidampr reduced clutch chatter when I installed mine.


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      04-01-2017 07:26 PM #113
      Good call.

      About the Fluidampr I strongly recommend it on a stroker engine specially if you intent to rev it above 4k on a regular basis. It miiight be down to the fluidampr that my engine made it to the workshop in one piece.
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      04-01-2017 10:30 PM #114
      Quote Originally Posted by One-Eight GTI View Post
      All I can say is fluidampr reduced clutch chatter when I installed mine.


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      Quote Originally Posted by Gulfstream View Post
      Good call.

      About the Fluidampr I strongly recommend it on a stroker engine specially if you intent to rev it above 4k on a regular basis. It miiight be down to the fluidampr that my engine made it to the workshop in one piece.
      Thanks. That's exactly the kind of feedback I was looking for. Fluidampr it is. I will purchase on Monday along with the billet timing gear. I will get the 4-bolt 1.8T Fluidampr (PN: 551201) versus the 6-bolt 2.0T FSI version (551211).
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      04-01-2017 10:57 PM #115
      I also wanted to mention that my engine block will probably be back from the machine shop next week. The cylinders are being bored out to 83mm and will have the IE Tall Boy main caps installed. The Tall Boy main caps were only suppose to be line honed, but they were so out of spec that they had to be line bored first. Also, the Tall Boy main caps were way too wide and were pushing the block apart. Consequently, they had to be narrowed to properly fit into the bottom of the block. That was not covered in IE's installation instructions. The last operation is to machine them down to the proper height, but they were pretty close to begin with. So, anyone contemplating an IE Crankshaft Girdle Kit with Tall Boy main caps will have to properly machine the main caps to fit the engine block as the latest batch appear to be quite out of spec.

      Once the engine block is returned from the machine shop, Bill can start to assemble the bottom end and this project will start to take shape. Here's a link to Mike Pauciullo's engine block destruction thread which prompted me to go with the girdle: https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...ghlight=girdle

      Here's also a link to Gulfstream's timing gear failure which prompted the purchase the billet version: https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...#post104371929
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      04-05-2017 04:54 PM #116
      if you use a cabby or mk2 cluster from a car with cruise control they have a hall effect sensor build into the cluster that you can tap into for a digital speed signal. nice build too.
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      04-05-2017 05:55 PM #117
      Quote Originally Posted by rainbowrabbit View Post
      if you use a cabby or mk2 cluster from a car with cruise control they have a hall effect sensor build into the cluster that you can tap into for a digital speed signal. nice build too.
      Thanks. Below is a photo of the back of my speedo cluster. Are you talking about the yellow plug next to where the speedo cable plugs in? If so, it looks like my MK2 cluster might have this Hall effect sensor.

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      04-05-2017 06:54 PM #118
      Yes that yellow plug should be it


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      04-05-2017 09:12 PM #119
      Quote Originally Posted by rainbowrabbit View Post
      Yes that yellow plug should be it


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      04-20-2017 09:49 AM #120
      Today I was told by someone I consider to know what they are talking about that the Octavia transfer box internals can't be built into the 02C. I've also been told that it can, and like you, plan to go that route. Curious if you've already had your gearbox/ transfer case assembled or not? Any issues?

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      Quote Originally Posted by vr6 3.0 View Post
      Today I was told by someone I consider to know what they are talking about that the Octavia transfer box internals can't be built into the 02C. I've also been told that it can, and like you, plan to go that route. Curious if you've already had your gearbox/ transfer case assembled or not? Any issues?
      Yes, the 02C gearbox with FEX (Skoda Octavia) transfer box was assembled last summer by AP Tuning. The only issue IIRC are the o-rings for the oil passages are different on the FEX unit. The "correct" way to solve this problem is to machine the seals on the FEX unit to match with the 02C transmission. The guys at AP Tuning ended up tapping and plugging the seals on the FEX unit and making it self-contained with its own oil. That was the easiest, best solution. Below is an email exchange with Tom, the sales and marketing manager.


      Quote Originally Posted by Tom D. APTuning
      Just wanted to follow up. We got everything but the seal for the transfer case to the bellhousing. I think I have exhausted all means of finding these things myself. The problem is the FEX uses a weird oring/grommet and only the FEX uses it. Its almost like it doesnt exist anymore and searching the internet I was only able to find one of them in Russia

      Everything else uses a dowel between the the two with a normal oring.
      Came up with 2 options/ideas. We can get the bellhousing and transfer case housing machined to work with the normal dowels/orings.
      Or the second Idea I literally just thought of and have to run it by the trans guy to see if its feasible, is to simply tap and plug the holes between them. The only drawback would be having to pull the transfer case off to fill it, but imagine that wouldnt come up hardly ever. All the new cars are sealed separately like this and is actually a bit nicer since when you pull the transfer case to pull the trans and do a clutch, it doesnt pour oil out and make a mess(also because on dsg cars the fluid cant transfer obviously)
      Otherwise its pretty much ready, just haven't put the halves together until we came to a final determination on this. Let me know your thoughts.
      If you have any further questions please feel free to ask.
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      04-20-2017 03:03 PM #122
      I plan to go down to Bill's shop tomorrow morning. I will post some new updates.
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      looking forward to updates!
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      Quote Originally Posted by 35i 2000 View Post
      looking forward to updates!
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      04-20-2017 09:40 PM #125
      Quote Originally Posted by mainstayinc View Post
      You can call Tom at APTuning if you have any further questions. He is a standup guy.
      Thanks! I just talked to Tom last week Friday about their lower bearing girdle install, I'll get with him on this as well.

      In for progress

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