Genesis 3.3T is pretty stout for the money but I still don't trust Hyundai/Kia and the aftermarket sucks
It's a bit bizarre to say "I dont trust the koreans" and "Im probably going german" in the same sentence...
I can't speak for him as I don't trust the Germans either
But going forward the way I look at cars is what I'd want to own out of warranty. That's still a hell no for the Koreans. Owning the Optima gave me an inside view. There's a huge recall on both engines in my car... long story short they have manufacturing flaws that send loose flashings into the oil. Bye bye engine. I've probably seen 20 or so failures on the (awful) FB groups over the last year. And when I took it in to get a wastegate adjustment (another TSB) there were a couple at the dealer getting engine replacements. And the 2.0T/2.4 were in everything in those days.
So sure those people were covered... but I'd rather not have to go through that hassle in the first place. I'm sure H/K learned their lesson from that... but I'd still want to give them a generation or two to prove themselves. On paper they look really good and they are really playing ball with incentives......... but that's gotta be for a reason IMO
The internet talks about driveline imbalance issues with the AWD system... any insight there? How's it compare to your old G37?
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It's been over a year so I'm going from memory... but the biggest difference with the G was probably the gearing. In this gears 1-2-3 are probably 30-60-90. In the G it was more like 25-50-80 I think. Plus on top of that the G revved higher, so to get those lower speeds it had to be geared even more aggressively. So it definitely had more off the line/low gear rip. But that probably didn't help gas mileage.
Dynamically I think the G steered quicker, but both are pretty accurate and devoid of feel. On stock suspension the TLX is definitely more sorted, though with coilovers the G was just amazing on the street. At the track the G was surprisingly squishy and understeery but that's not relevant. I do plan to get coilovers probably around September-October... thinking that + the 20s off the Optima will dial the chassis in. Eventually I want to move back to 19s like I had on the G... that was a good balance for ride, handling and looks.
Day to day it's probably even. TLX feels better put together inside and has more toys... but the G had nice touches like the sport seats with the adjustable bolster and extending leg cushions, and the engine would rock just a hair side to side on startup, which always made me smile. G was also noticeably bigger inside too; they really knocked the packaging out of the park with it. I think I prefer the TLX' looks though. Need to get it all set up to really compare.
If I could go back in time I would probably still pick the G and just eat the damn gas mileage, but the TLX is a worthy alternative if you can live with the smaller interior and slightly less potent powertrain. In exchange you get significantly better gas mileage (damn near 50% better) and all weather confidence. Overall I'm a fan.
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It seems like a good choice for a car though. Interesting that it's smaller inside than the G... I just assumed that since it's an Accord, it would be huge inside. Looking at the specs, it has about an inch and a half less combined legroom than the Infiniti and about 5% less interior volume. All in a package that's a few inches longer. Weird.
I'll be curious to see how you like it. I keep going back and forth on selling my '07 G35S, and the TLX has always been up at the top of the list. My issue is that I like the DCT more than the 9-speed, but I like the 3.5 a lot more than the 2.4. The better balance of the 2.4 is also appealing. Still, I'd like to see how the refreshed 2.4 A-Spec drives. But then again, the lack of legroom might knock this off of the list. The G is barely big enough, and unless the seatbacks are designed really well and allow for more car seat room than the specs suggest, the TLX might not even work.
Ah you know what there might be an imbalance. There's definitely some vibration, though I chalked that up to the VCM system everyone seems to hate.
Its sizing is weird. It's the same length as my Optima but the Optima easily has another ~3-4" of leg room. I've been in the back of a 9th gen Accord and it was similarly much bigger inside. We just barely fit. There are some smaller options for car seats though... if #2 comes I will probably look into it then.
As far as what permutation to get... either get the 2.4 or the SH-AWD. The 3.5 seems to be the worse of both worlds... the ZF9, heft and loss of agility of going from the 2.4 to the 3.5 without the traction and regained agility of SH-AWD. I only drove my car as I had written FWD off... but coming from a G (yours is AWD right?) I think you should also just focus on the SH-AWD. Actually reminds me of a G35x I drove years ago.
I am surprised you are not into the GS? That seems like an obvious G successor. In any case keep me posted
My G35 is RWD. I don't really need or want AWD where I live, though something performance-oriented like SH-AWD could be worth it. I came really close to buying both a RWD GS350 F-Sport and a GS450h, and they're still on the list, but man... that infotainment system is complete ****, and it's not easily fixed (if it even can be). I also wasn't blown away by the build quality on the 3-4 that I drove.
Chicago metro area. Not sure what DMV is?FWIW I don't notice the brakes on the TLX, which to me says they work well enough. My commute is pretty easy compared to the DMV though (God bless you)
I get the vibrations around 70 MPH as well. Definitely feels like a mild case of bad wheel balance, I also blamed the VCM/cylinder deactivation. Luckily I tend to cruise more around 80, by which point the vibration ends.
I really have no issues with the ZF9 in my 18. it’s also MUCH MUCH smoother in traffic/stop and go than the DSG I had in my MK7 for example.
Good discussion here, love me some Japanese sedans!
No love for the Q50 RS? I know steer-by-wire is an option to avoid, big aftermarket with AMS (bolt-ons, ECU tune, rear LSD, etc.). Too heavy?
Will Acura finally produce a real TLX Type S with 3.5L TTV6 from NSX & wake from the dead?
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I'm weary about such intensive modifications on a daily driver. Adds a lot of cost as well. TLX already has torque vectoring and is fast enough to cruise comfortably on the highway. All I really want is an intake for noise and coilovers/wheels for looks and handling. I think I'd rather eat the age and get a stickshift G35/G37 before a Q50RS.
The problem with the TLX is that the accord is all around a better car. The tech is way better.
They need to make an Acura Accord with 2.0T/10spd and AWD, price it around 42-46 and sell like crazy.
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I am on a big 10th gen Accord FB group (the best place to see what's really up with cars, but also a collection of society's street racing scum). The tech is its Achilles' heel. The driver assistance stuff gets confused and can be a pain. And the new infotainment system locks up and freezes on people. My boss has one and has had some un-Honda like niggles over the last year.
Plus a big NA V6 + torque vectored AWD will always >>>>>>> a turbo 4 with peg leg FWD, even if the FWD + 2.0T is a hair faster. I think the next ILX should have SH-AWD + the 2.0T... but the next TLX needs a V6TT with SH-AWD and a DCT to top the range.
Sidebar- with the quasi extremely good highway mileage this thing achieves it's super sensitive to tire pressure. I hit 30MPG on a commute a while back when pressures averaged 33-34 PSI... it's a little cooler and pressures have dropped to about 30-31 PSI average and I've only been able to hit 28 or so
This does not bode well for the 20s I took off the Optima I plan to throw on. A hair wider (245s vs 225), stickier (UHP A/S vs prob grand touring now) and probably a good bit heavier. I guess there's only way to find it. Maybe I'll love the look so much I won't care... or I'll get the best of both worlds (minimal FE impact and phenomenal looks)