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      09-20-2020 09:54 AM #6401
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      My thoughts exactly. My first ride in a Porsche was a 911 Targa back in '88. I will never forget it. We drove down the coast from LA to Del Mar with the Targa top off and for a teenager that had always loved Porsches it was a dream come true.

      This spec (including being a color other than white, black, or red) is exactly what I hope to buy as my "dream" car in the next 2-3 years.
      You’re in luck. As I’m sure you know, Targas go for less money than coupes. I’d kill for a nice SC coupe. Okay, I wouldn’t kill anyone, but I might maim.

      That car isn’t too far from me, but instead of buying a 911 we decided to have kids.

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      09-20-2020 10:03 AM #6402
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      What’s with the 3K on the odo and the “Not Actual Mileage” title? Does that indicate a significant engine rebuild or replacement?
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      09-20-2020 10:05 AM #6403
      Quote Originally Posted by Seabird View Post
      What’s with the 3K on the odo and the “Not Actual Mileage” title? Does that indicate a significant engine rebuild or replacement?
      I don’t know if this affected 911s, but there were problems with the plastic gear that drives the odometer in VDO speedos for quite a while, and this could be that. There’s supposed to be documentation anytime there’s a speedo swap with mileage recorded from the old defective unit.
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      09-20-2020 10:14 AM #6404
      https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...-excursion-11/



      Last year of the Excursion which had a minor front-end refresh. This could be a big money car due to the mileage.

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      09-20-2020 10:24 AM #6405
      Quote Originally Posted by Seabird View Post
      What’s with the 3K on the odo and the “Not Actual Mileage” title? Does that indicate a significant engine rebuild or replacement?
      10 years between the 43k report and the newer 3k report. The car could easily have over 100k on it if it was used daily.
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      09-20-2020 10:34 AM #6406
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      You’re in luck. As I’m sure you know, Targas go for less money than coupes. I’d kill for a nice SC coupe. Okay, I wouldn’t kill anyone, but I might maim.

      That car isn’t too far from me, but instead of buying a 911 we decided to have kids.

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      Ask and ye shall receive. 1983 Porsche 911SC

      Americans hate EVs because they grew up with Power Wheels that were glacially slow, ran out of power in 20 minutes and took an entire day to recharge.

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      09-20-2020 10:44 AM #6407
      Quote Originally Posted by roman16v View Post
      https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...-excursion-11/



      Last year of the Excursion which had a minor front-end refresh. This could be a big money car due to the mileage.
      Why would you not clean the windshield before taking pictures??

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      09-20-2020 10:50 AM #6408
      Quote Originally Posted by Stromaluski View Post
      Why would you not clean the windshield before taking pictures??
      Originality. Can't get rid of the original dirt.
      Americans hate EVs because they grew up with Power Wheels that were glacially slow, ran out of power in 20 minutes and took an entire day to recharge.

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      09-20-2020 10:59 AM #6409
      Quote Originally Posted by x(why)z View Post
      That spec is perfection for a fun third car. I love Targas way too much, though. I don't think that I drive hard enough on public roads that I'd ever care about the difference in performance between Targa and coupe.
      from personal experience the down side of the targa is it has the same pedal box as the vert which is cramped if you have large shoes. im sure its something you could learn to live with but hopping between a hard top and a targa the pedal box is noticeably tighter.
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      09-20-2020 11:43 AM #6410
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      I don’t know if this affected 911s, but there were problems with the plastic gear that drives the odometer in VDO speedos for quite a while, and this could be that. There’s supposed to be documentation anytime there’s a speedo swap with mileage recorded from the old defective unit.
      Interesting. Seems like something that should be disclosed.

      Quote Originally Posted by spockcat View Post
      10 years between the 43k report and the newer 3k report. The car could easily have over 100k on it if it was used daily.
      Sure, but it has a 6 digit odometer.

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      09-20-2020 11:47 AM #6411
      Quote Originally Posted by Seabird View Post
      Sure, but it has a 6 digit odometer.

      I knew that and it wasn't what I was getting at. Surely the speedo was replaced at some point between 2005 and 2016. Thus the car could have 100k on it over the course of those 10 years if the speedo was replaced close to 2016. Where is the speedo replacement paperwork? Should have been with the car. Or even any work orders between 2005-2016 that show mileage.

      EDIT: There is an invoice showing a speedo replacement done in 2005. But the in/out mileage was at 43k at that time. No notation of whether the replaced speedo was at 0 or it was set to the 43k before being installed. But either way, 0 to 3k in 15 years is normal and 43k to 3k in 15 years is no explanation. The next service record was 2016 at 3k.
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      09-20-2020 11:55 AM #6412
      Quote Originally Posted by spockcat View Post
      Originality. Can't get rid of the original dirt.
      That's right - let's call it a barn find and that'll raise the value. And the last service included an oil change - woo hoo!!

      I'm sorry - the current bid of $20K is silly.
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      09-20-2020 12:42 PM #6413
      Quote Originally Posted by robr2 View Post
      That's right - let's call it a barn find and that'll raise the value. And the last service included and oil change - woo hoo!!

      I'm sorry - the current bid of $20K is silly.
      I'm sure it will end up being $50k+ when the auction closes...

      We loved our old Excursion for the space but ugh, it was such a piece of crap. So many stupid little things broke on it that really shouldn't have broken. Granted, parts were cheap and it was easy to work on but still.

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      09-20-2020 12:44 PM #6414
      Quote Originally Posted by freedo84gti View Post
      from personal experience the down side of the targa is it has the same pedal box as the vert which is cramped if you have large shoes. im sure its something you could learn to live with but hopping between a hard top and a targa the pedal box is noticeably tighter.
      Huh, I guess I didn't realize that but I'm sure it's obvious if you drive them back-to-back. I only we are size 9.5, so I'd likely survive. Is it just structural reinforcements intruding on the pedal box?

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      09-20-2020 01:00 PM #6415
      Quote Originally Posted by x(why)z View Post
      Huh, I guess I didn't realize that but I'm sure it's obvious if you drive them back-to-back. I only we are size 9.5, so I'd likely survive. Is it just structural reinforcements intruding on the pedal box?
      yup. the targa is just a vert with the targa bar and window. hence the reason you an find 911 convertibles that were formally targas. i wear a size 13 so you would be way better off than me
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      09-20-2020 02:38 PM #6417
      The driving video where the douch... I mean driver, is wearing a helmet and gloves. Really?

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      09-20-2020 06:21 PM #6418
      Great opportunity for someone to get a new V6 Accord, even if I always thought these were more attractive pre-refresh.

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      09-21-2020 07:05 AM #6419
      Quote Originally Posted by x(why)z View Post
      Yep, the colour is so good. I love the clatter of an air-cooled flat six and the ability to lose the roof makes it that much more of an experience. Hell, I'd drive a cabriolet, especially a 964.

      I hope you find a gem on your search for a 911. A 987 or 964 are the only two cars I can imagine swapping my E36 M3 for. The BMW is such a wonderful drive, but the AC 911s are pure joy to operate. Good luck and post when it happens!
      Oh I will be posting you can count on that.

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      Quote Originally Posted by freedo84gti View Post
      from personal experience the down side of the targa is it has the same pedal box as the vert which is cramped if you have large shoes. im sure its something you could learn to live with but hopping between a hard top and a targa the pedal box is noticeably tighter.
      This is interesting info. I guess I'll have to check one out and see. My heart is set on a Targa so I might have to just get used to it when the time comes.

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      09-21-2020 09:52 AM #6420
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      09-21-2020 10:02 AM #6421
      Quote Originally Posted by spockcat View Post
      If only. I long ago accepted that I'll never own a 911 or 356 after the prices went stratospheric. C'est la vie.
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      09-21-2020 10:11 AM #6422
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      If only. I long ago accepted that I'll never own a 911 or 356 after the prices went stratospheric. C'est la vie.
      I'm not so sure about that. It just depends on how old of a car you're willing to accept? Give it another 20 years and I bet 356s will be affordable again. Same for buses. As they get old enough that the majority of people that are into them start to die off (as bad as that sounds), the prices will start to come back down. Just gotta get over that hump of all the people that grew up with them and wanted them new are now old enough to be able to spend a bunch of money to buy one.

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      09-21-2020 10:22 AM #6423
      Quote Originally Posted by Stromaluski View Post
      I'm not so sure about that. It just depends on how old of a car you're willing to accept? Give it another 20 years and I bet 356s will be affordable again. Same for buses. As they get old enough that the majority of people that are into them start to die off (as bad as that sounds), the prices will start to come back down. Just gotta get over that hump of all the people that grew up with them and wanted them new are now old enough to be able to spend a bunch of money to buy one.
      In 20 years I'll be 75! If I'm like my folks I'll be in good shape for years afterwards (dad didn't even slow down until he hit 85) but there's no telling. Hopefully at 75 I'll have some disposable income, but who knows?

      Buses? The younger guys like them too, so I think their draw will still be high. Because of that btween Buses, 356s and 911s I'd say that 356s probably have the best chance of coming down. Maybe I'll be around to see and take advantage of that if that happens!
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      09-21-2020 10:32 AM #6424
      Quote Originally Posted by spockcat View Post
      I knew that and it wasn't what I was getting at. Surely the speedo was replaced at some point between 2005 and 2016. Thus the car could have 100k on it over the course of those 10 years if the speedo was replaced close to 2016. Where is the speedo replacement paperwork? Should have been with the car. Or even any work orders between 2005-2016 that show mileage.

      EDIT: There is an invoice showing a speedo replacement done in 2005. But the in/out mileage was at 43k at that time. No notation of whether the replaced speedo was at 0 or it was set to the 43k before being installed. But either way, 0 to 3k in 15 years is normal and 43k to 3k in 15 years is no explanation. The next service record was 2016 at 3k.
      Ah, I didn’t pour over the receipts. Paperwork is boring.

      It’s an odd enough anomaly that the seller should have explained it in the description, IMO. But, eh... I’m not a potential buyer so who cares what I think.
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      09-21-2020 10:32 AM #6425
      Quote Originally Posted by UncleJB View Post
      This is interesting info. I guess I'll have to check one out and see. My heart is set on a Targa so I might have to just get used to it when the time comes.
      it not that horrible that i remember but it is noticeable. like i said, i have size 13 shoes so the missing room is noticeable for me but very liveable. especially with the significant price cut on a targe vs a coupe
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