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      The CC is one of my favorite looking cars. I’d own one if I could trust it past 100k.

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    3. 02-08-2018 08:35 PM #27
      Adaptive suspension standard? Yikes.

    4. 02-08-2018 08:37 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by nyexx View Post
      The CC is one of my favorite looking cars. I’d own one if I could trust it past 100k.

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      02-09-2018 02:37 AM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by nyexx View Post
      The CC is one of my favorite looking cars. I’d own one if I could trust it past 100k.
      Plenty of 100K CCs and Passats on the streets. I own one.

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      02-09-2018 06:48 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by nyexx View Post
      The CC is one of my favorite looking cars. I’d own one if I could trust it past 100k.
      Says the guy who's car is mostly rust by now.

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      02-10-2018 08:47 AM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by whalemingo View Post
      Says the guy who's car is mostly rust by now.
      I was only speaking from experience. I wanted to buy my neighbors CC but it was literally a POS. Burned oil, needed a water pump, ate its ignition coils, needed a timing chain tensioner, needed a de-carb service and all this was before 75,000 miles. That must be why the resale value is so bad on these.

      You take one look at the CC sub on this forum and you can tell all that stuff isn’t uncommon. I haven’t seen a 2nd gen Mazda 3 with much rust on it yet and they’re 9 years old now. 1st gens were showing signs by 5 years old, so I think we should be good now.

    10. 02-10-2018 09:08 AM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by nyexx View Post
      I was only speaking from experience. I wanted to buy my neighbors CC but it was literally a POS. Burned oil, needed a water pump, ate its ignition coils, needed a timing chain tensioner, needed a de-carb service and all this was before 75,000 miles. That must be why the resale value is so bad on these.

      You take one look at the CC sub on this forum and you can tell all that stuff isn’t uncommon. I haven’t seen a 2nd gen Mazda 3 with much rust on it yet and they’re 9 years old now. 1st gens were showing signs by 5 years old, so I think we should be good now.
      Ha, ha I still have few bottles of Castrol oil left in my garage. My Wolfie (same drivetrain as CC) loved to drink it and it had barely over 50,000 miles. Ignition coils ? Might as well stack on those. Resale value made my wallet cry. 100,000 miles ? Good luck. Lease and dump.
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      02-10-2018 09:55 AM #35
      I'm on my second cc and haven't had any issues. First on had carbon cleaning done at 77k. But nowadays every car needs it done. And at 77k miles that's not bad
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    12. 02-10-2018 05:16 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by nyexx View Post
      I was only speaking from experience. I wanted to buy my neighbors CC but it was literally a POS. Burned oil, needed a water pump, ate its ignition coils, needed a timing chain tensioner, needed a de-carb service and all this was before 75,000 miles. That must be why the resale value is so bad on these.

      You take one look at the CC sub on this forum and you can tell all that stuff isn’t uncommon. I haven’t seen a 2nd gen Mazda 3 with much rust on it yet and they’re 9 years old now. 1st gens were showing signs by 5 years old, so I think we should be good now.
      The CC is best to get with the VR6. Those you can trust with over 100k. I wouldn't touch a gen 1 TSI/FSI with a 10 foot pole for the reasons you mentioned. I'm still apprehensive of the gen 3 TSI's but they appear (from what I've seen) much better.

      That was a time with VW quality control where they had one foot in the door, and one foot out the door. They had already solved the scary electrical problems with the move to a CAN-bus based electrical system, but then they messed everything up with the Detroit-style cost cutting on their new high-tech 4 cyl engines.

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      02-13-2018 09:42 AM #38
      VW keeps calling this their "flagship" car. It's going to be so over-priced...
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      02-13-2018 09:53 AM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by Hostile View Post
      VW keeps calling this their "flagship" car. It's going to be so over-priced...
      What price do you think it will be?

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      02-13-2018 10:03 AM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by Hostile View Post
      VW keeps calling this their "flagship" car. It's going to be so over-priced...
      While pricing won't be announced until closer to the car's summer launch, at CAS Hinrich Woebcken stated the Arteon's starting price will be close to a well equipped midsize car.

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      02-13-2018 11:22 AM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by Hajduk View Post
      What price do you think it will be?
      I have a feeling they are going to have this thing start in the mid-30s. Figure maybe 4 trims with the most expensive one at $50k.

      Keep in mind the Atlas ranges from $30k to $48k across all of the trims, $32k to $48k just for the V6 models. So if the Arteon is their "flagship" there is no reason to doubt that it won't start high and get expensive quickly.

      I would love to be wrong though, because I would absolutely consider this for my next car.
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      02-13-2018 11:41 AM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by Hostile View Post
      VW keeps calling this their "flagship" car. It's going to be so over-priced...
      Well it will certainly be higher than the Passat. So it's either this or the Atlas.
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      02-13-2018 11:48 AM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by Hostile View Post
      I have a feeling they are going to have this thing start in the mid-30s. Figure maybe 4 trims with the most expensive one at $50k.

      Keep in mind the Atlas ranges from $30k to $48k across all of the trims, $32k to $48k just for the V6 models. So if the Arteon is their "flagship" there is no reason to doubt that it won't start high and get expensive quickly.

      I would love to be wrong though, because I would absolutely consider this for my next car.
      I don't think the Arteon will have that big of a price range. It will come with more standard features than the Atlas and the only options that I can see are 4Motion ($2K), Tech ($2-3K), and Driver Assist ($2-3K). Assuming a $35K starting price, a loaded Arteon would come to $43K - maybe $45K. $50K would put it close to a top-line A5.

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      02-13-2018 12:00 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by Hajduk View Post
      I don't think the Arteon will have that big of a price range. It will come with more standard features than the Atlas and the only options that I can see are 4Motion ($2K), Tech ($2-3K), and Driver Assist ($2-3K). Assuming a $35K starting price, a loaded Arteon would come to $43K - maybe $45K. $50K would put it close to a top-line A5.
      They announced it will come in SE, SEL, and SEL Premium w/ optional 4Motion.

      Considering these trim levels, I think we'll see the Arteon have very similar pricing to the Atlas, which is at $35,240 for SE FWD and hits $48,740 in SEL Premium 4Motion trim. You might be right though that the range gets tightened up a bit so they actually move the top trims in decent volume.

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      02-13-2018 12:32 PM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by Hostile View Post
      I have a feeling they are going to have this thing start in the mid-30s. Figure maybe 4 trims with the most expensive one at $50k.

      Keep in mind the Atlas ranges from $30k to $48k across all of the trims, $32k to $48k just for the V6 models. So if the Arteon is their "flagship" there is no reason to doubt that it won't start high and get expensive quickly.

      I would love to be wrong though, because I would absolutely consider this for my next car.
      The Arteon makes me wish my lease ended in 4-5 months and not 45ish days.
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      02-13-2018 01:12 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by davewg View Post
      The Arteon makes me wish my lease ended in 4-5 months and not 45ish days.
      You can get a lease extended can’t you?
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      02-13-2018 01:28 PM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by Hostile View Post
      You can get a lease extended can’t you?
      I'm sure, but for many reasons I don't want to.

      And if I did, and the Arteon was delayed, then I'm paying for a car I no longer want nor need for potentially longer than anticipated.

      I've been leaning more and more towards a Golf R, and it's looking more and more likely that won't be an option at all, sadly. And that's been delayed for months....

      Not even sure what my other top choices are. Maybe I should just get a CUV
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    24. 02-13-2018 01:49 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by JackStraw79 View Post
      They announced it will come in SE, SEL, and SEL Premium w/ optional 4Motion.

      Considering these trim levels, I think we'll see the Arteon have very similar pricing to the Atlas, which is at $35,240 for SE FWD and hits $48,740 in SEL Premium 4Motion trim. You might be right though that the range gets tightened up a bit so they actually move the top trims in decent volume.
      Will be curious to see what type of demand there is for the Arteon and what real world pricing will look like - i.e. price out the door , not MSRP. I would imagine a top of the line SEL Premium 4 Motion at 50k would not have much demand and would be pretty easy to get 2500 - 4000 off MSRP initially and during end of year/fire sales that 5000 - 7500 off MSRP will be available. An SEL Premium at 42.5k - 45k would be a pretty decent buy and one I would certainly consider as a replacement for the GTI. At 50k, there is too much competition and not enough compelling , even if a flagship model, to spend that when a Regal GS can likely (speculative, no confirmation) be had for mid 40s with a V6, Brembo, Recaro seats (I think), and a good looking car with a nice interior that is significantly better than old GM/Buick interiors.

      I will be watching this somewhat niche segment of semi premium lift back/hatchbacks (Stinger, Regal GS, Arteon) as they have many of the characteristics I would like in my next car and I like the fact they are going against the grain a bit with retaining a lift back/hatchback form factor and they are not crossovers. In an ideal world, all of them would have a wagon variant, but that won't happen in the US

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      02-13-2018 02:32 PM #49
      I'm curious why all of a sudden everyone who never wanted a CC when they first came out suddenly wants an Arteon?

    26. 02-13-2018 02:42 PM #50
      I have never been interested in the CC given the sedan form factor. What intrigues me about the Arteon is the hatchback/liftback form factor and what could be a pretty compelling package of looks, utility and decent performance based on preliminary European reviews of the 2 liter turbo and 4 motion. I would be thrilled to see it in an R format as a performance flagship on par wit Audi S models or BMW M badged models (not full fledged M variants) with a 5 or 6 cylinder turbo and ~350-400 hp, but I doubt that will happen in the US.

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