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      Although it’s six inches short than the bigger Atlas and only has five seats, everything from its wheelbase to its passenger space, to its engine options will be the same as the Atlas’s. I can also confirm that it drives almost identically to the seven-seater.

      What it will introduce to the lineup is a new face. With a new design that mirrors the Cross Sport concept, the five-seater should look a little meaner than we’re used to. Although that will preview a facelift coming to the seven-seater just a month after the Cross Sport launches in Q1 2020.

      Inside, too, there will be some changes. Don’t expect anything too extreme, but the Cross Sport has a new thicker steering wheel, slightly nicer door cards, and when I looked under the camouflage that I wasn’t supposed to see under, I saw an extra USB port under the infotainment screen.

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      07-26-2019 01:00 PM #177
      Why is it taking so long to introduce this car?

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      07-26-2019 01:15 PM #178
      Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
      Why is it taking so long to introduce this car?
      Look how long it took VW to make crossovers that actually made sense for the US.... this thing is coming in rapid time by comparison

      Super interested in this as a replacement for wifey's MKX, which will be due to go in about 2 years time. This, the RDX, Nautilus and maybe a hybrid RX are on the short list.

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      10-07-2019 09:45 AM #179
      The Atlas Cross Sport R-Line will debut this Friday along with a new R logo.








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      10-07-2019 10:10 AM #180
      Since TCL is the preferred place to complain about minute details such as badge fonts....

      That looks way too much like Volvo's style.

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      10-07-2019 10:10 AM #181
      Will they offer faster version than the VR6?

      If anything this makes sense to be the faster one, Atlas R or something, slightly slower than the SQ5 and costs tad more than a loaded Atlas.

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      10-07-2019 10:16 AM #182
      Quote Originally Posted by downytide View Post
      Will they offer faster version than the VR6?

      If anything this makes sense to be the faster one, Atlas R or something, slightly slower than the SQ5 and costs tad more than a loaded Atlas.
      Doubt it, at least anytime soon. I think a 230-240 hp 2.0T will be the primary engine for this.

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      10-07-2019 11:55 AM #183
      Quote Originally Posted by CostcoPizza View Post
      Since TCL is the preferred place to complain about minute details such as badge fonts....

      That looks way too much like Volvo's style.
      Eh, details matter. Although my complaint about the new logo is it's not detailed enough. It looks like something from a tackle box and not a letter 'R'.

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      10-07-2019 03:20 PM #184
      Quote Originally Posted by downytide View Post
      Will they offer faster version than the VR6?

      If anything this makes sense to be the faster one, Atlas R or something, slightly slower than the SQ5 and costs tad more than a loaded Atlas.
      Who knows; the Friday reveal will be the R-Line model (appearance package - bodykit and wheel traditionally), and not a full-on R. You probably know this, but I thought it should be clarified since the average buyer doesn't understand VW's weird badging practices.

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      10-09-2019 10:43 AM #185
      Quote Originally Posted by downytide View Post
      Will they offer faster version than the VR6?

      If anything this makes sense to be the faster one, Atlas R or something, slightly slower than the SQ5 and costs tad more than a loaded Atlas.
      There is already a 2.5T VR6 implemented in the Atlas chassis in China. I keep wishing I'd see that one over here in North America.

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      10-09-2019 11:28 AM #186
      Legit watching this with bated breath. Is this gonna be priced higher than the regular Atlas? Would be awesome if it were cheaper. It would undercut luxury compact crossovers by like $10K with the same equipment.

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      10-09-2019 11:31 AM #187
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      Legit watching this with bated breath. Is this gonna be priced higher than the regular Atlas? Would be awesome if it were cheaper. It would undercut luxury compact crossovers by like $10K with the same equipment.
      Supposedly the base Cross Sport will undercut the regular Atlas.

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      10-09-2019 11:34 AM #188
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      Legit watching this with bated breath. Is this gonna be priced higher than the regular Atlas? Would be awesome if it were cheaper. It would undercut luxury compact crossovers by like $10K with the same equipment.
      You can guarantee it will cost less than the regular atlas. It's the same drivetrain in a smaller package. This will introduce 4motion to the 2.0t atlas (full size will get this combo come the 2021 refresh). Engines will be 2.0t and vr6. Doubt we'll get the 2.5t. It's not federalized.

      I don't see this as a high perf version. I see this as filling the gap in the mid size category- ie Nissan Murano, Ford edge.

      Strange that the Tiguan (allspace) is technically mid size as well, as they have market overlap. Though these two SUVs apparently appeal to different demos.

      It looks more like an SUV coupe due to the slanted roof, yet it doesn't have frameless windows like a q8.

      Will be the first VW with a new steering wheel in the us since 2015. Heated steering wheel button is finally on the steering wheel too instead of the dash or in the headunit.

      There's a red leather option, and it introduces traffic sign recognition and traffic jam assistant to the us for the first time in a VW.
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      10-09-2019 12:24 PM #189
      Quote Originally Posted by ice4life View Post
      You can guarantee it will cost less than the regular atlas.
      I'll take that bet. All of the other German mfrs charge more for the "coupe" variant despite the reduced functionality compared the platform mates from which they derive.
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      10-09-2019 12:39 PM #190
      Yes I could def see this being priced higher

      It's also still a big girl. At 192" long it's basically as big as a Highlander, and I doubt it will weigh much less than a regular Atlas. Still watching to see what they do.

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      10-09-2019 12:46 PM #191
      I think I read it's 7.5 inches shorter than the normal Atlas. Placing it about where the Grand Cherokee is.
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      10-09-2019 01:06 PM #192
      Quote Originally Posted by oidoglr View Post
      I'll take that bet. All of the other German mfrs charge more for the "coupe" variant despite the reduced functionality compared the platform mates from which they derive.
      This is more akin to the relationship between the Honda Passport and Pilot though.

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      10-09-2019 01:11 PM #193
      Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
      This is more akin to the relationship between the Honda Passport and Pilot though.
      Exactly my point. This isn't an SUV coupe, it's a midsizer and the regular atlas is technically in the full size category- with the traverse and enclave.

      Therefore the passport/pilot analogy is spot on. It'll cost less if they know what's good for them.

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      10-09-2019 01:36 PM #194
      Quote Originally Posted by capclassicv2 View Post
      I think I read it's 7.5 inches shorter than the normal Atlas. Placing it about where the Grand Cherokee is.
      It's 6" shorter. And it competes with the GC (until the WL), Murano, Edge, Passport.

      Technically the Sorento, santa fe, journey, outlander and Tiguan are in the mid-size + category as they offer a third row (SF doesn't offer it here), but are similar in size to the general midsizers I listed.

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      10-09-2019 05:11 PM #195
      Quote Originally Posted by ice4life View Post
      Exactly my point. This isn't an SUV coupe, it's a midsizer and the regular atlas is technically in the full size category- with the traverse and enclave.

      Therefore the passport/pilot analogy is spot on. It'll cost less if they know what's good for them.
      The Passport starts a few hundred bucks more than the Pilot

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      10-09-2019 05:57 PM #196
      Quote Originally Posted by JackStraw79 View Post
      The Passport starts a few hundred bucks more than the Pilot
      That is because the trims are not aligned. The Passport Sport (base trim) is more aligned to a Pilot EX rather than the base Pilot LX. The Passport comes with more standard features including keyless go, remote start, dual exhaust tips, LED fogs, auto high beams, and 20" wheels. Take those out of the equation, and you have a much better apples to apples comparison of the fact a passport would indeed be cheaper in base trim. But to make it more apples to apples, a Passport Elite is $43k, and a Pilot Elite is $48k. There should be no debate that those trims are very comparative, and that the pilot is $5k more.

      The only thing I could see happening, is the Atlas cross starting at the SE trim (like the Arteon), which would undercut the base S Atlas. But again, that doesn't mean the car is more expensive as a smaller offering, it means relative, the smaller offering has more standard to justify the closer starting price. Dollars to donuts, an Atlas Cross SEL Premium should be about $5k less than a full Size Atlas SEL Premium- which makes complete sense to me.

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      10-10-2019 02:24 PM #197
      Midsize --> Large

      Atlas Sport --> Atlas
      Blazer --> Traverse
      Acadia --> Enclave
      Edge --> Explorer
      Journey --> Durango
      Passport --> Pilot
      Murano --> Pathfinder
      Santa Fe --> Palisade
      Sorento --> Telluride
      Grand Cherokee --> n/a
      Highlander --> n/a
      n/a (although CX-7 is coming soon) --> CX-9

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      10-10-2019 03:07 PM #198
      Quote Originally Posted by bzcat View Post
      Midsize --> Large

      Atlas Sport --> Atlas
      Blazer --> Traverse
      Acadia --> Enclave
      Edge --> Explorer
      Journey --> Durango
      Passport --> Pilot
      Murano --> Pathfinder
      Santa Fe --> Palisade
      Sorento --> Telluride
      Grand Cherokee --> n/a
      Highlander --> n/a
      n/a (although CX-7 is coming soon) --> CX-9
      To add to the complication, the grand Cherokee WL is going full size 3 row and there is going to be a blazer XL which will slot between the blazer and traverse. I personally feel the Highlander competes more with the big guys than say a mitsubishi outlander or kia sorento (185-187"). It also gained 2.4" for 2020 making it now 195". Chevy will have the fullest SUV class lineup fwiw.

      Trax, trailblazer, equinox, blazer, blazer XL, traverse, Tahoe, suburban.

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      10-10-2019 03:46 PM #199
      Isn't a Blazer XL just a Traverse

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      10-10-2019 03:59 PM #200
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0_Mazda View Post
      Isn't a Blazer XL just a Traverse

      Sent from a telephone while driving
      No, technically the traverse is much bigger (204" versus about 194"). What has happened over the past 5 or so years, is the segments were consolidated, and then the SUV craze showed up and the segments all blew out of alignment. For example, we know mid-size vehicles were the size of a Ford Edge. However, a bunch of 3 row crossovers somehow slipped into the mid-size category, which I call mid-size +.

      For a while, that category (mid-size +) had its 3rd row mostly optional, although in time it has morphed to offer it standard for the most part. What I used to consider mid-size +, has now morphed into full size: ie a VW Atlas or Ford Explorer. There is a ton of variation among the class sizes, so it is really hard to pick a measurement cutoff, but I like to generally say:

      185-189" is mid-size
      190-194" is mid-size +
      195-199" is full-size
      200-204" is full-size +

      Mid Size: Ford Edge, Nissan Murano, Jeep Grand Cherokee (WK/2)
      Mid Size +: Dodge Journey, VW Tiguan
      Full Size: Honda Pilot, VW Atlas, Toyota Highlander (2020), Ford Explorer
      Full Size +: Dodge Durango, Chevy Traverse, Buick Enclave
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