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      10-17-2018 12:58 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      Mazda needs to bring back the CX-7 while they're at it. No room for a CX-9 in my garage, but the CX-5 is too tight. I'm really surprised that mainstream midsized 2 row segment is so niche. Nothing from Honda, Toyota, VW, Subaru etc.
      Honda Passport is coming

      Toyota will probably take another stab at the Venza concept soon. But they are doing just fine with 4Runner which is midsize 5 seat and sells almost as fast as Toyota can ship them across the Pacific.

      Subaru sells a midsize 2 row Outback. It is one of the biggest seller in the segment. Not sure what you are going on about nothing from Subaru.

      VW is also working on a smaller Atlas with 5 seats.

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      10-17-2018 02:03 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      Mazda needs to bring back the CX-7 while they're at it. No room for a CX-9 in my garage, but the CX-5 is too tight. I'm really surprised that mainstream midsized 2 row segment is so niche. Nothing from Honda, Toyota, VW, Subaru etc.
      CX-7 will return in ~2020 when they start building it at the new plant in Alabama.

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      10-17-2018 02:21 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by Unilateral Phase Detractor View Post
      CX-7 will return in ~2020 when they start building it at the new plant in Alabama.
      Hopefully that allows the CX-9 to grow. Mazda really handicapped their sales by making the CX-9 so snug.
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      10-17-2018 02:59 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by Double-V View Post
      My Dad has a 2016 Mazda 3 GT with all the goodies. It is a pleasant car to drive, but not nearly as mind-blowing as the reviews had lead me to believe.
      I have one too. It's an economy car, I really wasn't expecting much, although I'd have to say it's worse than my old S2000 in every way outside of utility, and economy, but then again what sedan is actually fun to drive for under 20k that I got the car for? I will agree that the car is pretty damn loud for it's class, the Civic and Corolla are both more refined.

      It would be nice to see Mazda have a trim that matches or exceeds the Civic Si in power/handling with the Skyactiv X, but I know that isn't happening.
      I'll probably buy an Skyactiv X equipped one if it's nice and put it on Turo to have essentially a 'free' car.

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      10-17-2018 04:16 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by Ark6 View Post
      I'd have to say it's worse than my old S2000 in every way outside of utility, and economy,
      No I don't think you have to say that at all. Who has ever said a Mazda3's driving experience compares to an S2000????

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      10-17-2018 04:21 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      No I don't think you have to say that at all. Who has ever said a Mazda3's driving experience compares to an S2000????
      Yeah, that’s a bit ridiculous.

      Considering what the Civic was in 2014 when the Mazda 3 came out it really was a nice and day difference between the two cars. Obviously in 2016 when the 10th gen Civic came out it was improved substantially, but in 2017 the Mazda 3 had a refresh as well with great improvements.

      That post lost me when he said the Corolla was more refined.

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      10-17-2018 04:29 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by nyexx View Post
      That post lost me when he said the Corolla was more refined.
      I think he was referring only to the noise level in the cabin, which is where the Mazda3 has always fallen short.
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      10-17-2018 04:37 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by nyexx View Post

      That post lost me when he said the Corolla was more refined.
      More refined as in I can actually have a conversation on the highway in one.
      In the Mazda, while quality is better, I can have a conversation in a 16 Civic. The 3 I practically have to talk in an heightened voice, regardless of the tires used (and I don't have a roof rack on.)

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      10-17-2018 04:54 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by Ark6 View Post
      More refined as in I can actually have a conversation on the highway in one.
      In the Mazda, while quality is better, I can have a conversation in a 16 Civic. The 3 I practically have to talk in an heightened voice, regardless of the tires used (and I don't have a roof rack on.)
      I had a rental 2017 Corolla for two weeks while my old car was in the shop and have owned the 2017 Mazda 3 for a good while. The Corolla is more 'refined' in that it does a better job of insulating you from the outside world and from the act of driving. You don't get a lot of feedback, but you also don't get a lot of noise either.

      The Mazda 3 gets good reviews because it uses higher quality material and handles a little better than most FWD compacts. However the longer you own it, the more you realize it's just a dressed-up economy car.

      One thing I do miss from the 3 is the engine, oddly enough. With the poly transmission mount it had this nice mechanical, slightly grainy engine note. I just wish it had better sound deadening, thicker body panels, a an exterior trunk release handle, and heavier steering at highway speeds.

      I think Mazda is serious about positioning itself as a slightly upscale option, but they just haven't really worked out all the fine details.

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      10-17-2018 05:26 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by squelchy451 View Post

      I think Mazda is serious about positioning itself as a slightly upscale option, but they just haven't really worked out all the fine details.
      They're getting there.

      They made a huge investment in the CX-5 and heavily refreshed Mazda6 in terms of materials and sound deadening. Driving the two cars back to back with their predecessors is like night and day.

      Plus, they've been investing in dealer improvements (my store included) - we're in the middle of a full overhaul to elevate the showroom from it's bare-bones airport hangar appearance to a woodgrain and brushed metal motif with a bigger focus on customer experience. Hell of a difference.

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      10-17-2018 05:36 PM #36
      This is a new generation that promises to boost refinement so I’m excited to see what the outcome is.

    13. 11-08-2018 11:49 PM #37
      It looks like the sedan and Hatchback will be less similar than in the past. The creases in the side profile look like different vehicles now.


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      11-09-2018 05:36 AM #38
      it would be awesome if they drew a wagon version from that hatch.

      Mazda needs to work out some quality kinks to get me back as a buyer, but their cars are about as good as it gets, for the price. Volkswagen just seems like the better contender for now.

      Really looking forward to seeing this new 3.
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      11-09-2018 08:06 AM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by hoodlum90 View Post
      It looks like the sedan and Hatchback will be less similar than in the past. The creases in the side profile look like different vehicles now.

      that blind spot on the hatch is sick
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      11-09-2018 09:35 AM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by Zillon View Post
      They're getting there.

      They made a huge investment in the CX-5 and heavily refreshed Mazda6 in terms of materials and sound deadening. Driving the two cars back to back with their predecessors is like night and day.

      Plus, they've been investing in dealer improvements (my store included) - we're in the middle of a full overhaul to elevate the showroom from it's bare-bones airport hangar appearance to a woodgrain and brushed metal motif with a bigger focus on customer experience. Hell of a difference.
      Agreed about refinement. I had a rental 2018 Mazda6 last month and it felt every bit as refined as the best cars I've driven.

      However, my sales experience three years ago with Mazda was...not good. All the usual BS of let me check with my manager ("checking" for a half hour), no your trade in is only worth $1500 even though it's in good condition and KBB/Edmunds says $3500, F&I "required" nonsense, etc. I'm not a grinder on price, so I was really surprised and disappointed that they were hassling me when I was making my best effort to be a good and reasonable customer. Made me never want to buy one again, unfortunately.

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      11-09-2018 09:49 AM #41
      Mazda was down over 10% in October sales versus last year. Across-the-line drop, including all of their CUVs. CX-9 was down the least at 6.2%, with 1,848 sold. Subaru sold over 6,000 Ascents.

      I want to like Mazda, in-laws have an NB that's a hoot to drive, and came close to going with a Mazda3 for a commuter, but the dealer wouldn't budge on price and it was 3.5K more than a Focus.

      It really does feel like they are going up a half-step in luxury, again like Subaru tried over a decade ago, but that is really tough to do. If they sized their interiors better, AND had the best driving characteristics AND a step-up in luxury, then I could see them settling into a good niche, but the path they are on is worrisome if they don't partner with another company.

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      11-09-2018 09:57 AM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by Beanboy View Post
      It really does feel like they are going up a half-step in luxury, again like Subaru tried over a decade ago, but that is really tough to do. If they sized their interiors better, AND had the best driving characteristics AND a step-up in luxury, then I could see them settling into a good niche, but the path they are on is worrisome if they don't partner with another company.
      They kind of already did that with the first Mazda 3. They were basically the first company to follow VW's lead and bring out a more premium-feeling compact car.

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      11-09-2018 10:00 AM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by Unilateral Phase Detractor View Post
      Agreed about refinement. I had a rental 2018 Mazda6 last month and it felt every bit as refined as the best cars I've driven.

      However, my sales experience three years ago with Mazda was...not good. All the usual BS of let me check with my manager ("checking" for a half hour), no your trade in is only worth $1500 even though it's in good condition and KBB/Edmunds says $3500, F&I "required" nonsense, etc. I'm not a grinder on price, so I was really surprised and disappointed that they were hassling me when I was making my best effort to be a good and reasonable customer. Made me never want to buy one again, unfortunately.
      They knew that the differential girdle springs on your trade in were worn. Not to mention the tremmie pipe.

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      11-09-2018 10:49 AM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by oidoglr View Post
      They knew that the differential girdle springs on your trade in were worn. Not to mention the tremmie pipe.
      I should have known! Speaking of which, the rear differential did start leaking on the Escape I was trading in about six months before we were ready to buy the new car. But I paid $700 and had it fixed.

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      11-09-2018 12:31 PM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by Beanboy View Post
      ....but the path they are on is worrisome if they don't partner with another company.
      Off the top of my head they’re partners with Toyota and Fiat/Alfa. They’re building a joint plant with Toyota which is rumored to build a FR plank that the next 6 might be on. The Yaris iA is a rebadged Mazda 2. Mazda is supposedly going to borrow hybrid tech from Toyota and Toyota is looking at adapting Mazda rotary engines for their hybrid powertrains.

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      11-09-2018 12:47 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by VeeDubDude View Post
      Off the top of my head they’re partners with Toyota and Fiat/Alfa. They’re building a joint plant with Toyota which is rumored to build a FR plank that the next 6 might be on. The Yaris iA is a rebadged Mazda 2. Mazda is supposedly going to borrow hybrid tech from Toyota and Toyota is looking at adapting Mazda rotary engines for their hybrid powertrains.
      I hope Toyota and Mazda build a closer partnership.
      Several years ago a prominent analyst said that a Toyota-Mazda partnership would benefit both companies considering their different philosophies (based on home locations in Japan).

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      Today is apparently the day. Looking forward to what we'll see!

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