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      12-10-2018 08:49 AM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by Biggu View Post
      yep which is why that ebay link for the blue calipers and carriers is such a good deal at $189 shipped.
      I just don't want blue but yes, great deal.
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      01-29-2019 06:30 PM #52
      I just did the 312mm rotor/carrier/pad swap. 1 pad came with sensor wires attached that weren't needed because 2015 GSW has the sensor pick-up in the hub. Anyway, went off without a hitch. Just remember if you do this swap put a hose on the bleed nipple and insert into a container of brake fluid before backing off on the nipple and pushing the piston in. Something to do with the sensot seals flipping.

    4. 01-30-2019 10:19 AM #53
      idk why but I didn't see the link here... here it is again.

      https://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-brake-c...dd97%7Ciid%3A1

      Even for the carriers, this is a steal. If you already have 57mm calipers you could resell the blue (which is what I may do) and pain the carriers a more neutral color.

      On the short list!

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      03-18-2019 07:14 PM #54
      I picked up a set of the 312mm GTE calipers/brackets/pads from Germany (same as GTI but blue instead of red).

      In comparing them with my existing calipers, both calipers have a "57" cast into them (although in different places). However, my existing 288mm calipers have a small "15" cast into them and the GTE calipers have a small "16" cast into them.

      The minimum wheel size for 288mm front brakes is 15 inches and the minimum wheel size for 312mm is 16 inches. This is probably the best way to determine if your existing calipers will work properly for this front brake upgrade.

      Also: Compared to my existing calipers, the GTE calipers have longer "fingers" supporting the outer pads.
      Last edited by White VW; 03-19-2019 at 01:36 AM.

    6. 03-19-2019 10:37 AM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by White VW View Post
      I picked up a set of the 312mm GTE calipers/brackets/pads from Germany (same as GTI but blue instead of red).

      In comparing them with my existing calipers, both calipers have a "57" cast into them (although in different places). However, my existing 288mm calipers have a small "15" cast into them and the GTE calipers have a small "16" cast into them.

      The minimum wheel size for 288mm front brakes is 15 inches and the minimum wheel size for 312mm is 16 inches. This is probably the best way to determine if your existing calipers will work properly for this front brake upgrade.

      Also: Compared to my existing calipers, the GTE calipers have longer "fingers" supporting the outer pads.
      I'm not entirely sure I see any issue here. As long as you source the carriers, both calipers should work fine.

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      03-20-2019 02:32 AM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by _Maxwell View Post
      I'm not entirely sure I see any issue here. As long as you source the carriers, both calipers should work fine.
      If you use calipers with 55mm pistons, they will bolt on to 312mm caliper brackets but will not be centered properly. They apply pressure too far to the outside of the pads, causing uneven wear.

      Refer to the following thread, page 4:

      https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showt...t=26006&page=4

      Note the comments and (crude) drawings by member autovelocity on 4-29-18.

    8. 03-20-2019 11:45 AM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by White VW View Post
      If you use calipers with 55mm pistons, they will bolt on to 312mm caliper brackets but will not be centered properly. They apply pressure too far to the outside of the pads, causing uneven wear.

      Refer to the following thread, page 4:

      https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showt...t=26006&page=4

      Note the comments and (crude) drawings by member autovelocity on 4-29-18.
      Not denying that, very familiar with this thread as it'll be one of my next mods. I guess my point here is I didn't quite understand what you were referencing above. Sure, the calipers may have slightly different markings for different regions, or carry a '15' on it due to the 288mm rotors (denoting a 15" rim is acceptable,) but if the actual piston is a 57mm it's a moot point. if you aren't sure your piston will work, measure the damn thing. ha!

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      04-13-2019 10:58 AM #58
      I got really used to the feel of the bigger brakes on my last 2 VWs. After too many instances of me not giving myself enough braking time I'm doing this upgrade asap. It's been 5 months since I got the wagen and my foot still hasn't "recalibrated".

      Can someone point me to the black or silver carriers ? I recall someone saying they're an audi part number.

      The german seller still has the blue calipers and it's an amazing deal, but I really don't think I can deal with the blue on my otherwise stock appearing car.

      EDIT - are these what I need? Description doesn't say MkVII...
      https://www.ebay.com/itm/support-bra...kAAOSwsTVasmvj
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      04-13-2019 11:16 AM #59
      Quote Originally Posted by MAC View Post
      I got really used to the feel of the bigger brakes on my last 2 VWs. After too many instances of me not giving myself enough braking time I'm doing this upgrade asap. It's been 5 months since I got the wagen and my foot still hasn't "recalibrated".

      Can someone point me to the black or silver carriers ? I recall someone saying they're an audi part number.

      The german seller still has the blue calipers and it's an amazing deal, but I really don't think I can deal with the blue on my otherwise stock appearing car.

      EDIT - are these what I need? Description doesn't say MkVII...
      https://www.ebay.com/itm/support-bra...kAAOSwsTVasmvj
      Black Forest Industries sells a complete kit for this upgrade with "normal" colored carriers. I like you can't do the blue ones...
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      04-13-2019 12:05 PM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by KarstGeo View Post
      Black Forest Industries sells a complete kit for this upgrade with "normal" colored carriers. I like you can't do the blue ones...
      Saw their kit. Stupid overpriced. I can get red carriers and oem rotors from Balise VW for a little over $300. I may just do that and strip the carriers.
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      04-13-2019 01:38 PM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by MAC View Post
      Saw their kit. Stupid overpriced. I can get red carriers and oem rotors from Balise VW for a little over $300. I may just do that and strip the carriers.
      I know, I just don't get why the carriers are so much $$ vs. the whole caliper/carrier set.
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      09-17-2019 04:02 AM #62
      Quote Originally Posted by MAC View Post

      Can someone point me to the black or silver carriers ? I recall someone saying they're an audi part number.

      The german seller still has the blue calipers and it's an amazing deal, but I really don't think I can deal with the blue on my otherwise stock appearing car.
      eBay seller 4yourdrive now has the 312mm calipers & carriers with pads in silver if you don't like blue:

      https://www.ebay.com/itm/pair-brake-....c100667.m2042

      They shipped them to me in a great big box (very well packed) from Germany to Seattle in a little over a week. I highly recommend this seller - they're the real deal.

      (I already bought the blue ones but bought these too to avoid repainting. I'll sell the blue ones on Craigslist.)
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      09-18-2019 08:44 AM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by White VW View Post
      eBay seller 4yourdrive now has the 312mm calipers & carriers with pads in silver if you don't like blue:

      https://www.ebay.com/itm/pair-brake-....c100667.m2042

      They shipped them to me in a great big box (very well packed) from Germany to Seattle in a little over a week. I highly recommend this seller - they're the real deal.

      (I already bought the blue ones but bought these too to avoid repainting. I'll sell the blue ones on Craigslist.)
      thanks for the post! at $199 for both calipers AND brackets, that's a good deal- just the carriers sell for $125+ EACH from most of the dealers

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      09-18-2019 09:11 AM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by White VW View Post
      eBay seller 4yourdrive now has the 312mm calipers & carriers with pads in silver if you don't like blue:

      https://www.ebay.com/itm/pair-brake-....c100667.m2042

      They shipped them to me in a great big box (very well packed) from Germany to Seattle in a little over a week. I highly recommend this seller - they're the real deal.

      (I already bought the blue ones but bought these too to avoid repainting. I'll sell the blue ones on Craigslist.)
      Thanks SO MUCH for sharing this. The blue was a deal breaker for me as well (especially with a green car), this is perfect. Just ordered a pair, the carriers/calipers/pads came to only $274 CDN with free shipping. Guess I'll get my brake upgrade sooner than I planned!
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      09-18-2019 09:16 AM #65
      This will be go-to now if I do this - complete set for $200 is much less than any of the carrier-only options I've seen.
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      09-18-2019 10:40 AM #66
      That IS a great deal and very tempting. But, you still need to purchase new rotors, pads and dust shields, correct? So, double the cost + installation (unless you can do it yourself).

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      09-18-2019 11:17 AM #67
      Correct except for the dust shields, they are the same on the 288 mm and 312 mm brakes.

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      09-18-2019 02:41 PM #68
      if you’re happy with oe pads, it comes with new ones; yes you need the larger rotors
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      09-18-2019 09:22 PM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by dcomiskey View Post
      That IS a great deal and very tempting. But, you still need to purchase new rotors, pads and dust shields, correct? So, double the cost + installation (unless you can do it yourself).
      As others have stated, these sets come with new VW pads (fine for non-track use) and the stock MK7 dust shields are sized to fit 312mm rotors.

      I bought these German rotors: https://www.autohausaz.com/pn/1K0615301AA

      I also bought four small caliper bolts for about a dollar each from VW. They have a green thread locker on them and VW recommends they be replaced once they've been installed and removed.

      Don't forget DOT-4 brake fluid (VW fluid is reasonably priced).

      Your total parts cost will probably be under $350.
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      09-19-2019 10:04 AM #70
      good ideas on the bolts! do you happen to have part numbers? looking at the schematics it almost looks two different bolts?


      also are there pad numbers on the pads by chance? same pads as the oe calipers? I've come up w/ 1760 for the front pads (which Porterfield makes), don't want to order unless I'm 100%


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      09-19-2019 06:59 PM #71
      Quote Originally Posted by under the Big Sky View Post
      good ideas on the bolts! do you happen to have part numbers? looking at the schematics it almost looks two different bolts?

      also are there pad numbers on the pads by chance? same pads as the oe calipers?
      The caliper bolt part number is WHT 003 252 - four are required. These are sometimes included with new pad sets. The larger caliper bracket bolts don't need to be replaced.

      The part number on the pads I received with the silver calipers is 5Q0 615 115 J.

      The part number on the pads I received with the blue calipers is 5Q0 615 115 K.

      Both pad sets appear identical, except that the "J" set included wear sensors (for use if needed).

      These pads (made for VW by TRW) are original equipment for both 288mm and 312mm front brakes.
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      09-19-2019 07:16 PM #72
      Yeah I was looking at the caliper bracket bolts-thanks!

      those pad numbers aren't coming up on anything that I can find- hmmmm
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      09-20-2019 03:27 AM #73
      It's likely that some (but not all) VW part numbers vary by region for the same parts.

      These pads appear to be identical to US/Canada OE pads, just with different part numbers.

      The US part number for this pad set is 5QD 698 151 (MSRP $153.77).
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      09-20-2019 09:01 AM #74
      ^ that sounds about right

      yeah that's the part number I came up with- shows same pad regardless of 288 or 312mm rotor; also many aftermarket pads refer to that shape as 1760- which means I can run Porterfield R4-S's again
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      09-27-2019 09:36 PM #75
      calipers and brackets (and pads) arrived well ahead of schedule, packed very well- everything is brand new- excellent vendor!
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