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      11-19-2019 01:44 PM #3776
      something something Road Atlanta:

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      11-19-2019 01:50 PM #3777
      Quote Originally Posted by Metallitubby View Post
      something something Road Atlanta:
      Hell yeah. And Road American too, although it's location is perhaps less F1-ish than a big urban area like Atlanta or being closer to the Bay Area in the case of LS. I realize it's $ driven, and the promoters who are willing to fork over the cash will dictate the venue. But I do wish Liberty can help create a win-win-win situation for promoters, F1, and the fans by finding a way to stage a race at some of the great race tracks that already exist in the US.

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      11-19-2019 01:51 PM #3778
      Road Atlanta would be cool. The little kink at turn 3 would probably be mayhem at the start, though.

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      11-19-2019 01:56 PM #3779
      Quote Originally Posted by vwpiloto View Post
      I do wish Liberty can help create a win-win-win situation for promoters, F1,
      With Penske on the march, and Liberty settled in, I think you are going to see a very big change in open-wheel racing as we know it (schedules, cars, sponsorships, etc.)
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      11-19-2019 02:07 PM #3780
      Quote Originally Posted by Metallitubby View Post
      With Penske on the march, and Liberty settled in, I think you are going to see a very big change in open-wheel racing as we know it (schedules, cars, sponsorships, etc.)
      That sounds great! I do wish that comes true and that Penske has enough gas left in the tank.

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      11-19-2019 02:08 PM #3781
      Quote Originally Posted by vwpiloto View Post
      That sounds great! I do wish that comes true and that Penske has enough gas left in the tank.
      That guy will micromanage his funeral.
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      11-19-2019 03:37 PM #3782
      Quote Originally Posted by vwpiloto View Post
      The more we see how almost every year Brazil gives us such a good race, the more desperate I get for a GP at Laguna Seca. It's a short track like Brazil, with similar elevation change (aka one basic climb up and then back down), with characterful corners, and front and back straights that each lead into a great corner for either passing or setting up for a pass.

      I know, I'm preaching to the choir.
      It would take some serious money and upgrades to certify LS as a FIA Grade 1 circuit. Same with Atlanta. The entire track, run off areas, pitlane/paddock, safety aspects, grandstands, media areas, access roads, and so on would need a complete makeover, something that is neither cheap, easy nor CA regulatory friendly. It's a great track, but a I don't see it happening. As an example, Dietrich Mateschitz spent $90M in 2008 just to begin to re-do the old Österreichring to make it FIA grade 1 compliant for DTM, then play the waiting game for a spot to open up on the calendar for F1. And that track had F1 history and experience, LS does not. Same with the work done to make Zandvoort F1 ready. It was completely rebuilt 25 yrs ago and still needed a lot of work done before F1 would look at it a few yrs ago.

      Tracks like LS that have never been used for F1...they can't just be magically approved. It takes years of greasing palms, big $ upgrades, and political willpower just to get the FIA to make a visit.
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      11-19-2019 03:39 PM #3783
      Quote Originally Posted by vwpiloto View Post
      I couldn't disagree more. It has lots of passing opportunities, namely the front straight with a very wide turn 2 allowing for risk taking. Get a great run off of 3 and 4 and you can pass going into 5. Or come out good out of 5, carry it through 6, and pass on the uphill straight going into the corkscrew. Unlike many of the boring newer tracks, Laguna is very flowing, much like Brazil, which typically makes for much greater racing.
      You know how bad the aero wash is on a current F1 car, right?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Matt
      I have literally zero experience with snow, but it seems to me that if it was raining and there was slush/snow still on the ground, I'd just wash it away with the hose rather than using a shovel. Sure it may freeze overnight, but if it's already raining, it's already going to be wet and freeze anyway, right?

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      11-19-2019 03:40 PM #3784
      Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Russells View Post
      Road Atlanta would be cool. The little kink at turn 3 would probably be mayhem at the start, though.
      Road ATL would be murdered by the upgrades needed to make it a Grade 1 circuit.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Matt
      I have literally zero experience with snow, but it seems to me that if it was raining and there was slush/snow still on the ground, I'd just wash it away with the hose rather than using a shovel. Sure it may freeze overnight, but if it's already raining, it's already going to be wet and freeze anyway, right?

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      11-19-2019 03:50 PM #3785
      Quote Originally Posted by tbvvw View Post
      It would take some serious money and upgrades to certify LS as a FIA Grade 1 circuit. Same with Atlanta. The entire track, run off areas, pitlane/paddock, safety aspects, grandstands, media areas, access roads, and so on would need a complete makeover, something that is neither cheap, easy nor CA regulatory friendly. It's a great track, but a I don't see it happening. As an example, Dietrich Mateschitz spent $90M in 2008 just to begin to re-do the old Österreichring to make it FIA grade 1 compliant for DTM, then play the waiting game for a spot to open up on the calendar for F1. And that track had F1 history and experience, LS does not. Same with the work done to make Zandvoort F1 ready. It was completely rebuilt 25 yrs ago and still needed a lot of work done before F1 would look at it a few yrs ago.

      Tracks like LS that have never been used for F1...they can't just be magically approved. It takes years of greasing palms, big $ upgrades, and political willpower just to get the FIA to make a visit.
      I'm aware and agree. Nonetheless, I do wish that money would be spent on that than on a track around a stadium in Miami. But that comes down to whose money is being spent.

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      11-19-2019 03:52 PM #3786
      Quote Originally Posted by Woodski View Post
      You know how bad the aero wash is on a current F1 car, right?
      That's being addressed by 2021 regs. However, even with today's car, the shorter tracks help to slightly negate that issue. The argument would be no different for Interlagos.

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      11-19-2019 04:00 PM #3787
      Quote Originally Posted by Woodski View Post
      Road ATL would be murdered by the upgrades needed to make it a Grade 1 circuit.
      It's owned by Michelin now. They have the dollars.
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      11-19-2019 04:07 PM #3788
      Quote Originally Posted by vwpiloto View Post
      That's being addressed by 2021 regs. However, even with today's car, the shorter tracks help to slightly negate that issue. The argument would be no different for Interlagos.
      Interlagos is aided by it's DRS zones being hella long which negate the aero loss through the preceding corners.

      There's nowhere on LS long enough to recoup the amount of time you'd lose through the corners. The only POSSIBLE place would be between T4/5.

      Quote Originally Posted by Metallitubby View Post
      It's owned by Michelin now. They have the dollars.
      I mean the actual upgrades that would need to be done would murder the track.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Matt
      I have literally zero experience with snow, but it seems to me that if it was raining and there was slush/snow still on the ground, I'd just wash it away with the hose rather than using a shovel. Sure it may freeze overnight, but if it's already raining, it's already going to be wet and freeze anyway, right?

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      11-19-2019 04:13 PM #3789
      Quote Originally Posted by Woodski View Post
      I mean the actual upgrades that would need to be done would murder the track.
      I think they are interested in whatever it takes. They just spent millions on the timing/scoring tower and are supposed to be repaving now/next month.
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      11-19-2019 05:30 PM #3790
      Quote Originally Posted by Woodski View Post
      There's nowhere on LS long enough to recoup the amount of time you'd lose through the corners. The only POSSIBLE place would be between T4/5.
      I love Laguna and love it dearly, but an F1 race there would and up as Hungaroring Lite. Processional, zero passing, pole day would be the real race day.

      Besides, you'd need to build a mountain past the corkscrew to have enough runoff to make it FIA compliant, and that's just one corner. Ah well, I can still dream

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      11-21-2019 07:18 PM #3793
      Vettel and Leclerc made it to the top 10


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      11-21-2019 07:31 PM #3794
      Vettel going for symmetry in the top 10. Same move, but once he's on the left, and the other on the right. Not bad Seb, not bad.

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      11-21-2019 08:39 PM #3795
      Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Russells View Post
      Road Atlanta would be cool. The little kink at turn 3 would probably be mayhem at the start, though.


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      11-24-2019 10:59 AM #3796
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      Hamilton: Potential F1 talents get ‘leapfrogged by wealthy kids’

      2019 F1 season

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      Lewis Hamilton*says it has become much harder for drivers from working class backgrounds such as his to break into Formula 1.


      Speaking on the Graham Norton Show, Hamilton said the prospects for drivers who do not come from wealthy backgrounds has “got a lot worse” in the years since he came into the sport.
      “My dad spent something like £20,000 and remortgaged the house several times in the first years,” said Hamilton. “But today it’s just got so expensive.
      “There are very few, if [any] working-class families on their way up. It’s all wealthy families.”
      I’ve got a friend of mine who was nearly in Formula 1 and then he got leapfrogged by a wealthy kid and then his opportunity was gone,” Hamilton added. “So I do want to somehow get it back to basics.”
      Hamilton’s family funded his karting career until he gained the backing of former McLaren boss Ron Dennis.
      “There were times along the way when I’d come home from school and I’m like ‘I’m ready to go’ and [dad would] be like ‘sorry, we don’t have the money this weekend but hopefully by next race we’ll have the money to keep us going’. So my dad’s the real hero, I’m just the one that’s in the spotlight.
      “If my dad hadn’t done the work he did and if I didn’t get signed when I was 13 by Ron Dennis then I wouldn’t be sitting in front of you today, I’d be doing something different.”
      Formula 1 needs to encourage more talents from less wealthy backgrounds as other sports do, said Hamilton.
      “I do want to get involved in working with the FIA, which is the governing body, and Formula 1, because they can do more to give back, I’d say. And also it doesn’t need to be as expensive as that. I want to get it opened up because you look at football, at tennis, there’s grass roots.”



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      11-24-2019 11:26 AM #3797
      It's unfortunate but there's no practical way to make racing affordable. Even affordable amateur racing classes cost a ton to the average Joe.

      Put that together with the time commitment required and the extensive travel, it will never be like, say, soccer where all you need is an open area to play.

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      11-24-2019 11:51 AM #3798
      Life is easier for people with greater financial ability?


      I think he’s on to something.
      shut your mouth. sh sh shut your mouth.

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      11-24-2019 12:24 PM #3799
      What about people like me who aren't wealthy and don't have any driving talent? Think I got a shot?

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      There's an old lady that's a client of mine that's always taking out her last pennies to buy quarter midget karts for her grandkids it's crazy how much money she spends for them. She build up her account when she gets a couple thousand bucks in there, boom buying a kart or an engine or equipment. Every time she's like "this is the last time"

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