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    1. 04-16-2019 06:10 PM #101
      Quote Originally Posted by mx5er View Post
      The current car (tub) is getting long in the tooth.
      It all comes down to cost. Everybody knows what to do but the trick is whether they want higher cost. But ultimately I think IndyCar has to embrace more cost in order to make the series more interesting.
      Last edited by WestRace; 04-16-2019 at 06:25 PM.

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    3. 04-16-2019 06:32 PM #102
      Quote Originally Posted by WestRace View Post
      I think it's better to change the rule book so that the car will be faster on the road course. Interestingly, F1 has been criticized for being boring compared to Indy, but at COTA, F1 was a lot more interesting to watch. Visually watching IndyCar going around COTA was almost like seeing things in slow motion compared to F1.
      All racing series will have good and stinker races I guess. The IndyCar race in Alabama was interesting. Looks like Rossi walked off with the last race, I missed it but from the highlight video it looks like there was some good racing behind him.

      As far as COTA, I agree IndyCar didn't go well there. And they let them run outside track limits because if they didn't hold the field would have wrecked out on the first turn of the first lap .

      I hope the rumor about more brands getting into Indy is true, the Chevy versus Honda rivalry just isn't. No buzz there from that.

      The cars need some brand distinction in the body but you're right about cost.

      I see IndyCar as a work in progress and but it much slack, it's going to have some unpolished spots.

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      04-16-2019 06:52 PM #103
      Quote Originally Posted by WestRace View Post
      Visually watching IndyCar going around COTA was almost like seeing things in slow motion compared to F1.
      700hp vs 1000hp and 125 million dollars will do that.

      Quote Originally Posted by mx5er View Post
      Another constructor right? And not just a new chassis from Dallara for all the teams to use.
      Yes, along with new OE engine manufacturers.

      Quote Originally Posted by Burnette View Post
      The cars need some brand distinction in the body
      Not gonna happen.
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    5. 04-16-2019 06:52 PM #104
      One of the plus of IndyCar is also its minus which is the Indy500. It's hard to develop a chassis that is quick and agile on the road course but also stable enough to race at high speed at races such as the Indy500. I remember Michael Andretti said after driving F1 was that "driving the F1 car is like being on a knife edge ... none of them would be able to finish the Indy500".

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      04-16-2019 06:54 PM #105
      Quote Originally Posted by WestRace View Post
      Michael Andretti... F1
      Couldn't you pick anyone else to quote other than him? The guy was a rolling joke in F1 much like his son in IndyCar.
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    7. 04-16-2019 07:01 PM #106
      Quote Originally Posted by Metallitubby View Post
      Couldn't you pick anyone else to quote other than him? The guy was a rolling joke in F1 much like his son in IndyCar.
      Well regardless of his F1 driving, his opinions are still valid. I am not going to bad mouth him.

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      04-17-2019 05:00 AM #107
      Quote Originally Posted by WestRace View Post
      I am not going to bad mouth him.
      Yet you made a stupid comment about how "slow" IndyCar is around Circuit of the Americas? Got it.
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    9. 04-23-2019 05:16 PM #108
      An article about Vandoorne training at Indy. It was a good interesting to hear this take and how he is working his way to a comfort level on an oval much like Alonso did.

      Vandoorne has had a tough road in F1 and now Indy. And I'll be damned if, even in an off way, he's going to be compared to Alonso yet again . Fernando has proven himself to be a beast at Indy, Vandoorne had better train hard.

      I think the side story is great for the series, I'm looking forward to the 500.

      From the article:
      In the beginning it was quite difficult because you’ve got to really trust the car, and it’s one thing to talk about it but another to actually do it… It was still different from what I expected and it took a bit of time."

      "The first half of the day my feedback was… well, I wasn’t really sure what was going on with the car! So many things to learn. So if they asked me, ‘How does it feel?’ all I could say was, ‘I don’t know. It just feels different.’ But then towards the end of the day I could start to give them feedback and feel what the car was doing on entry, mid-corner and exit and could tell them what I needed from it."

      "Speaking of road courses, Ericsson said his steering was set up the way most oval rookies prefer, with the car biased for turn-in, but the steering wheel in ‘genuine’ alignment."

      "Yeah, I know what you mean about the steering wheel. Some people like to have their steering actually turned slightly to the right for the straights so it’s straight ahead in the turns, but mine was a bit more set up like for a road course
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      04-23-2019 05:23 PM #109
      Quote Originally Posted by Burnette View Post
      Vandoorne training at Indy.
      He needs to be careful. Drivers that don't tend heed advice @ Indy end up seriously injured.
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      04-23-2019 05:27 PM #110
      Quote Originally Posted by Metallitubby View Post
      Couldn't you pick anyone else to quote other than him? The guy was a rolling joke in F1 much like his son in IndyCar.
      OK here's an Eddie Cheever quote around the same time on the same subject. When asked how a F1 car would handle at Indy he said - "I wouldn't drive a Formula 1 car at Indy for all the money in the world"

      Oh and as to Mike, he had a terrible season for a number of reasons, finally coming around at Monza, but to the listeners out there we must be clear that his talent was miles ahead of Marco's. Just for the record.
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      04-23-2019 05:30 PM #111
      Quote Originally Posted by DerSpiegel View Post
      but to the listeners out there we must be clear that is talent is miles ahead of Marco's. Just for the record.
      Anyone that defends Marco should be forced to watch Formula E.
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    13. 04-23-2019 05:33 PM #112
      Quote Originally Posted by Metallitubby View Post
      He needs to be careful. Drivers that don't tend heed advice @ Indy end up seriously injured.
      Agree, baby steps, track is unforgiving.

      I know you followed Alonso's first foray into F1, he made it look easy but you know he did the work prior. Vandoorne would be wise to seek out his old friend and pick Alonso's brain for tips.

    14. 04-23-2019 05:34 PM #113
      Quote Originally Posted by Metallitubby View Post
      Yet you made a stupid comment about how "slow" IndyCar is around Circuit of the Americas? Got it.
      You can't handle the truth. If it's slow it's slow. What don't you get?

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      04-23-2019 05:40 PM #114
      Quote Originally Posted by WestRace View Post
      You can't handle the truth.
      You are correct.

      When you come back with an actual debate worth having, then I'd be more than willing to have this discussion with you. Otherwise you are better off comparing NASCAR track times to lawn mowers on the same circuit.
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    16. 04-23-2019 05:49 PM #115
      Quote Originally Posted by Metallitubby View Post
      You are correct.

      When you come back with an actual debate worth having, then I'd be more than willing to have this discussion with you. Otherwise you are better off comparing NASCAR track times to lawn mowers on the same circuit.
      Don't come here then if you can't handle criticism. Toughen up buddy.

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      04-23-2019 05:54 PM #116
      Quote Originally Posted by WestRace View Post
      Don't come here then if you can't handle criticism. Toughen up buddy.
      Oh this is rich. You think that you were criticizing me? We have ourselves a comedian in our midst. Lemme guess... You think F1 is "superior" to IndyCar because the cars are faster?
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    18. 04-23-2019 06:00 PM #117
      Quote Originally Posted by Metallitubby View Post
      You think F1 is "superior" to IndyCar because the cars are faster?
      OMG, the man is delusional.

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      04-23-2019 06:04 PM #118
      Quote Originally Posted by WestRace View Post
      OMG, the man is delusional.
      Let me refresh your memory:

      Quote Originally Posted by WestRace View Post
      Has anyone seen the lap time difference between F1 and IndyCar at COTA? God damn, it's almost 15secs.
      Had you not used "God damn, it's almost 15secs" I might have thought you were well-versed in actual racing knowledge and were primed for an educated debate, but alas you dropped that bomb in this thread to try and troll. Well done.
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      04-23-2019 06:18 PM #119
      Quote Originally Posted by Metallitubby View Post
      Anyone that defends Marco should be forced to watch Formula E.
      Haha agree. Poor Marco, never had the gift of his pops or granddaddy. That 'almost' Indy win was brutal.

    21. 04-23-2019 07:34 PM #120
      I'm looking forward to the race. It's a crowded field, this is who is in the running so far:

      A.J. Foyt Racing (Chevrolet)

      Tony Kanaan

      Matheus Leist

      Andretti Autosport (Honda)

      Ryan Hunter-Reay

      Alexander Rossi

      Marco Andretti

      Zach Veach

      Conor Daly

      Arrow Schmidt Peterson (Honda)

      James Hinchcliffe

      Marcus Ericsson

      TBD

      Carlin Racing (Chevrolet)

      Max Chilton

      Charlie Kimball

      Patricio O’Ward

      Chip Ganassi Racing (Honda)

      Scott Dixon

      Felix Rosenqvist

      Clauson-Marshall Racing (Chevrolet)

      Pippa Mann

      Dale Coyne Racing (Honda)

      Sebastien Bourdais (with Vasser-Sullivan)

      Santino Ferrucci

      James Davison (with Byrd/Hollinger/Belardi)

      DragonSpeed (Chevrolet)

      Ben Hanley

      Dreyer & Reinbold Racing (Chevrolet)

      Sage Karam

      JR Hildebrand

      Ed Carpenter Racing (Chevrolet)

      Ed Carpenter

      Spencer Pigot

      Ed Jones (with Scuderia Corsa)

      Harding Steinbrenner Racing (Honda)

      Colton Herta

      Juncos Racing (Chevrolet)

      TBD

      McLaren Racing (Chevrolet)

      Fernando Alonso

      Meyer Shank Racing (Honda)

      Jack Harvey

      Rahal Letterman Lanigan Racing (Honda)

      Graham Rahal

      Takuma Sato

      Jordan King

      Team Penske (Chevrolet)

      Will Power

      Josef Newgarden

      Simon Pagenaud

      Helio Castroneves

    22. 04-27-2019 04:45 PM #121
      Looks like Porsche is passing on joining IndyCar. For now. They could revisit the idea. I hope they do, how awesome would it be to have them in this series?

      Porsche cooling on IndyCar interest

      "In search of a third supplier to complement Chevy and Honda, Porsche’s legendary status in sports car competition, and to a lesser degree, Formula 1 and IndyCar, would add a powerful brand to assist the series’ ongoing growth.

      Assuming Porsche does not reverse course and opt in with IndyCar engines, the conversations between both entities would not necessarily come to an end.

      Persistent rumors of an initiative to bring Porsche’s popular Carrera Cup GT racing category to the United States, as a regular support series featured at IndyCar’s road and street courses, continue to make the rounds. It’s unclear whether the Carrera Cup would be sanctioned by INDYCAR or by its longtime partners at IMSA."

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/racer.c...-interest/amp/

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      04-27-2019 08:56 PM #122
      Quote Originally Posted by Burnette View Post
      It’s unclear whether the Carrera Cup would be sanctioned by INDYCAR or by its longtime partners at IMSA."
      IMSA and IndyCar have a gentleman's agreement about events/dates so either is A-OK.

      Regarding Porsche: They have a history with Indy and some of us would LOVE to see that happen, but I believe it's just conjecture at this point. Otherwise the people I talk to would've heard about it from the grapevine.
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    24. 04-28-2019 07:45 AM #123
      Quote Originally Posted by Metallitubby View Post
      IMSA and IndyCar have a gentleman's agreement about events/dates so either is A-OK.

      Regarding Porsche: They have a history with Indy and some of us would LOVE to see that happen, but I believe it's just conjecture at this point. Otherwise the people I talk to would've heard about it from the grapevine.
      I figured you would have some insight here. I like the direction Indy is going and I enjoyed the Alabama race. Can't wait for the 500.

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      04-28-2019 11:05 AM #124
      made my first trip to Fast Times Karting in Indianapolis yesterday and lo and behold, Conor Daly was there too. he was my goal to beat. only ran one 8-minute session but won my heat and finished top ten for the day. but still about 2.2 seconds off his pace (my fastest lap was 25.080 sec).

      Indy in (almost) May is fun.
      welcome to the layer cake

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