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    1. Member Engineer90's Avatar
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      12-21-2018 09:17 PM #1
      With my 2016 GTI, I don't have that and boy am I glad I don't have it. I've been picked up by my dealership twice; once in a Tiguan and once in an Atlas when my GTI was getting serviced.

      I live in NJ and rush hour traffic here is bad. It's always stop and go no matter where you're at. When I got picked up in both the Tiguan and Atlas... the cars the entire time were starting/stopping... ANNOYING The little spool up and shaking of every start/stop were just annoying to me.

      Not only does it annoy me, but these things are so gimmicky. No effing way it saves gas. Maybe 1%? Pshh sure, "huge savings". I can say with certainty, most cars with the start/stop will have serious issues at 100k miles. No way these starters, batteries, fuel pumps, etc can handle hundreds of thousands of continuous cycles. Something will crap out.

      It's nice you can disable in some cars like the JL Wrangler (ESS) and others, but others you have to live with it unless you do some sort of mod.

      I am sure they are just doing this to "please" the EPA and to get more customers to pay for more costly repairs at the stealerships. Rant over



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      12-21-2018 09:19 PM #2
      Just like any new tech, some manufacturers' implementations are better than others.

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      12-21-2018 09:22 PM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by fireside View Post
      Just like any new tech, some manufacturers' implementations are better than others.
      Yes, true. But if some use the start/stop 100% of the time in rush hour traffic like here NJ, I am sure those cars will have serious problems down the road.
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      12-21-2018 09:25 PM #4
      Hate it. To me it is a hacked "quick-fix" solution to comply with a governmental mandate, the 21st century equivalent of the motorized shoulder belt that moved in a track above the door. Hopefully like the motorized shoulder belt it will disappear quickly.

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      12-21-2018 09:26 PM #5
      I was able to permanently disable it on my m40i thru bimmercode app. Just more emission crap they're forcing on car manufactures. Doesn't save a lick of gas.

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      12-21-2018 09:26 PM #6
      Start/stop? Glad I don't partake in such things.

      An ignition switch is all you need.
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      12-21-2018 09:29 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by 12v Dub View Post
      I was able to permanently disable it on my m40i thru bimmercode app. Just more emission crap they're forcing on car manufactures. Doesn't save a lick of gas.
      Yup, doesn't save crap. It's all a gimmick.

      I'm sure most VW guys use VAGCOM. I know JL Wrangler owners use Tazer to permanently disable.
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      12-21-2018 09:31 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by Iroczgirl View Post
      Start/stop? Glad I don't partake in such things.

      An ignition switch is all you need.
      Same here. Imagine having start/stop with a manual?
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      12-21-2018 09:40 PM #9
      My manual Focus 1.0 has start/stop, but with a big disable button next to the shifter. Pretty painless to disable when I want (almost always). It’s actually a better system with a manual vs. auto since it restarts when you push the clutch pedal down, not when you hit the throttle and actually want to accelerate, like they are on automatics.

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      12-21-2018 09:41 PM #10
      It would be to have fun on a AMG v8 with straight pipes.

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      12-21-2018 09:46 PM #11
      It's annoying, but most cars I've been in seem to have a button to disable that. Still pesky to have to press it every time you start the car up.

      In regards to having it with a manual, I drove a Hyundai I30 6spd up in Iceland with a start/stop. Kinda weird having it turn on when you push the clutch in, weird sensation... Needless to say, it was turned off and stayed off.
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      12-21-2018 09:48 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by Lukec436 View Post
      It's annoying, but most cars I've been in seem to have a button to disable that. Still pesky to have to press it every time you start the car up
      You know this start/stop is probably gonna be phased out I hope. Kind of like a few years ago they have the green "eco" button on most cars. Seems like most cars nowadays don't have that.
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    14. 12-21-2018 09:51 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by E365 View Post
      My manual Focus 1.0 has start/stop, but with a big disable button next to the shifter. Pretty painless to disable when I want (almost always). It’s actually a better system with a manual vs. auto since it restarts when you push the clutch pedal down, not when you hit the throttle and actually want to accelerate, like they are on automatics.
      I really enjoyed the system on my Focus 1.0, but it only worked when the battery was fresh. After 18 months or so, the factory batteries didn't retain enough charge for the start-stop system to trust them to shut down at a light. Kinda a bummer.

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      12-21-2018 09:54 PM #14
      The F -150 at work has it, and I don't mind it. It's like an interesting novelty. I try to experiment with how softly I can press the brakes and still have it activate, or just fluctuate the pedal to get it to turn on and off again in succession. I wouldn't want it in my personal car, though.

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      12-21-2018 09:54 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by Engineer90 View Post
      You know this start/stop is probably gonna be phased out I hope. Kind of like a few years ago they have the green "eco" button on most cars. Seems like most cars nowadays don't have that.
      eventually it will, but for now its here to stay.
      As far as the green Eco-buttons go, if I see ONE MORE WITH A LITTLE GREEN LEAF NEXT TO OR ON IT, I WILL FLIP MY S-. absolute biggest 21st century vehicle cliche...

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      12-21-2018 10:12 PM #16
      Had a loaner 2018 A6 a couple weeks back while my car was in the shop, and it had start/stop. I was prepared to hate it but it was honestly barely noticeable when it would shut off/turn on, the more noticeable thing was the silence when it was off. I guess it could go either way depending on how well it's done. IIRC, it didn't always affect the car in traffic, I think I was stuck in stop and go and if I was creeping along and stopping intermittently under 5mph or something the engine would just run, but if I went up to higher speeds and then came to a complete stop it would shut off.

      Would be interesting to see starter failure rates on cars with and without start-stop, I would assume they're beefier units or possibly even designed differently, but I have no real data.
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      12-21-2018 10:29 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by Shmi View Post
      Would be interesting to see starter failure rates on cars with and without start-stop, I would assume they're beefier units or possibly even designed differently, but I have no real data.
      I would say that even with a "beefier" starter it might crap out after hundreds of thousands of cycles. Usually starters don't seem to be a huge issue with most modern cars. Time will tell how those start/stop cars do.
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      12-21-2018 10:31 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by Engineer90 View Post
      I would say that even with a "beefier" starter it might crap out after hundreds of thousands of cycles. Usually starters don't seem to be a huge issue with most modern cars. Time will tell how those start/stop cars do.
      Yeah the automakers probably only care that it lasts like 100,000 miles or something, too.

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      12-21-2018 10:35 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by HI SPEED View Post
      It would be to have fun on a AMG v8 with straight pipes.
      Oh boy would it!

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      12-21-2018 10:38 PM #20
      +1

      they're the worst, and i hate that i have to turn my off every time i drive the car, as opposed to a permanent setting.
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      12-21-2018 10:42 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by sebastianjbauer View Post
      +1

      they're the worst, and i hate that i have to turn my off every time i drive the car, as opposed to a permanent setting.
      What car do you have?
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      12-21-2018 10:43 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by HI SPEED View Post
      It would be to have fun on a AMG v8 with straight pipes.
      Hmm I don't think it would be as nice as you'd think. V8's sound the best during cold starts or acceleration imo
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      12-21-2018 10:44 PM #23
      I also hate it, both my car and my wife's car has it. The first thing I do after starting the car is turn it off.

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      12-21-2018 10:54 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by Engineer90 View Post
      Same here. Imagine having start/stop with a manual?
      Eh, this little guy had it and it was a manual. Diesel, too. Didn't mind it one lick, it was pretty unobtrusive.

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      12-22-2018 12:41 AM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by Engineer90 View Post
      What car do you have?
      E63 wagon.
      just because something happens in your brain doesn’t mean it’s the measure of an objective reality

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