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      12-22-2018 04:12 AM #26
      Lol at the ‘new’ tech panic. I rented a Kia in Europe in 2010 with start/stop.


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      12-22-2018 04:21 AM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by Engineer90 View Post
      Same here. Imagine having start/stop with a manual?
      It's better with a manual. You can decide for yourself when to shut off the engine by popping it into neutral.

      At least VW has programmed it to shut off the engine too quickly, which means even just stopping for half a second to change direction when parking maneuvering it'll shut off the engine.

      But the question could also be, who else hates cars idling poisonous gases into the air when they don't need to? I think it's only a good thing that the engine shuts off while the car isn't moving.

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      12-22-2018 06:42 AM #28
      I'm gonna have to disagree with most people here. It is actually proven to save quite a bit of gas over the lifetime of the car, and if every car had it, it would be in the millions of gallons of fuel saved per year in the US alone (I remember reading thay somewhere, no source to provide) but for the consumer, no real benefit will be noticed due to starters and fuel system components wearing out prematurely. So you're trading burning fuel over a mechanical part that can be recycled, which makes sense, really. It's definitely less pollution.

      I personally wouldn't want it in my manual car, but an automatic? Bring it on. It's really not an inconvenience at all, and it makes the most sense at a train crossing and long traffic lights. Stop and go traffic, much less and I would turn it off during that time. But think of the waste of fuel of your car just idling, generating power for absolutely nothing. Gas-powered commuters make absolutely no sense in traffic-dense areas. This is where electric cars are really gonna shine. In the mean time, stop all the idling engines.

      I don't feel like it's a gimmick, much less of one than lane departure warning, or blind spot monitoring, which should be banned outright.
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      12-22-2018 09:23 AM #29
      I don't mind the start/stop because my commute has multiple long lights. Disabling start/stop during creeping traffic is easy.


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      12-22-2018 09:58 AM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert View Post
      I don't mind the start/stop because my commute has multiple long lights. Disabling start/stop during creeping traffic is easy.
      It's that A with the circle and arrow button?
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      12-22-2018 10:16 AM #31
      I need to add the plug in the harness on my F150.
      The salesman said that just having a plug in the tow harness disables stop/start so you don't have to keep hitting the disable button every time you start.
      I do not believe it saves anywhere near enough fuel to offset added wear on items.
      And I have yet to drive a vehicle with start/stop that is imperceptible.

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      12-22-2018 10:19 AM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by Engineer90 View Post
      It's that A with the circle and arrow button?
      Correct.

      On the AMG models the button is relocated to the opposite side.

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      12-22-2018 10:26 AM #33
      I have zero problems with it. It's actually nice to comes to a stop at a light and the vibration and noise stop, and the HVAC drop down to a quieter level. It's a little bit of tranquility for me that I rather enjoy these days. Being in vehicles that come to a rattly idle (anything with a 4 cylinder) is actually annoying these days. YMMV. Also, until we go full electric you'd better get used to it, or enjoy wearing the button out that turns the system off
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    10. 12-22-2018 10:33 AM #34
      I believe the start/stop system only works seamlessly on hybrids. On the 2001 Insight I had with a manual, it was weird at first. You would think "crap it stalled " and be sitting in silence. Then as soon as you had the clutch down and selected either 1st or reverse, it was instantly running again.

      It took a few days to get used to it, and it really made a big difference in MPG if you were in the city. But when I was getting 70-80 MPG ANYTHING makes a difference. The only annoyance is the A/C and fan would also stop with the engine, but you could override that by selecting AUTO and it disabled the AUTO STOP system. One of the more fun parts was being able to get it to shut down the engine approaching a red light at 35-40 and coasting as long as you could (with no traffic) and watch the average MPG climb

      On my sister in laws 08 Prius, it's pretty seamless as well and does not have the issue with the A/C stopping with the engine. Toyota thought enough to add an electric motor to part of the A/C compressor so you can sit in the cool without the engine running.

      Start/stop however does not make ANY sense on my dad's Focus RS. It's relatively smooth on shut down, but the engine does not really like the restarts. Luckily it's easily disabled with a button and the status seems to persist after you've turned the car off.

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      12-22-2018 11:05 AM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by Engineer90 View Post
      With my 2016 GTI, I don't have that and boy am I glad I don't have it. I've been picked up by my dealership twice; once in a Tiguan and once in an Atlas when my GTI was getting serviced.

      I live in NJ and rush hour traffic here is bad. It's always stop and go no matter where you're at. When I got picked up in both the Tiguan and Atlas... the cars the entire time were starting/stopping... ANNOYING The little spool up and shaking of every start/stop were just annoying to me.

      Not only does it annoy me, but these things are so gimmicky. No effing way it saves gas. Maybe 1%? Pshh sure, "huge savings". I can say with certainty, most cars with the start/stop will have serious issues at 100k miles. No way these starters, batteries, fuel pumps, etc can handle hundreds of thousands of continuous cycles. Something will crap out.

      It's nice you can disable in some cars like the JL Wrangler (ESS) and others, but others you have to live with it unless you do some sort of mod.

      I am sure they are just doing this to "please" the EPA and to get more customers to pay for more costly repairs at the stealerships. Rant over.
      1) You realize there are starting systems specifically designed to withstand the added duty cycles?
      http://br.bosch-automotive.com/en/in...tarters_5.html
      2) If you want to blame someone, blame Europe, not the US EPA. Start stop came about because 25% of the European test cycle is idling (versus 11% for the EPA drive cycle).
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      12-22-2018 11:50 AM #36
      I worked one case where an older couple won arbitration on a buy back because of this. They claimed car kept stalling and was persistent on taking it to the dealer to 'fix' the issue.

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      12-22-2018 12:27 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by gonzo08452 View Post
      I worked one case where an older couple won arbitration on a buy back because of this. They claimed car kept stalling and was persistent on taking it to the dealer to 'fix' the issue.
      LMAO how did they win this?
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      12-22-2018 12:43 PM #38
      I dislike mine, it's the first thing I turn off every time I get into my S90.

      Supposedly the '19 S90/XC60/XC90 now allows for permanent disabling of SS.

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      12-22-2018 12:46 PM #39
      I've never had a car with a start-stop system but when I'm stuck at a railroad crossing and a freight train is coming by, that's when I shut my engine off.

      When I am walking around on the streets though, I've come across a lot of cars stuck at intersection who I've heard start their engines when the light turns green.

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      12-22-2018 12:50 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by gonzo08452 View Post
      I worked one case where an older couple won arbitration on a buy back because of this. They claimed car kept stalling and was persistent on taking it to the dealer to 'fix' the issue.
      That's almost on the same level as the woman trying to fill her Tesla up with gasoline.


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      12-22-2018 01:54 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by Engineer90 View Post
      LMAO how did they win this?
      Total number of days at dealership. The problem was, the stupid dealer actually attempted a repair thus acknowledging the concern. They either replicated the car actually stalling out or made a fictitious claim do the tech could get his flag hours.

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      12-22-2018 02:00 PM #42
      I have this feature on the bmw. The default is "off", probably for a reason. I tried it out once, but felt it wasn't all that smooth. So now i don't touch the button in the car to activate on-off.

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      12-22-2018 02:31 PM #43
      I find it to be invasive, in the Audi it can be turned off.

      My wife doesn't seem to be bothered by it, and she drives it more than me.

      When I drive it I either press the button to turn it off, or if I'm in Dynamic and Sport it is off by default.
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      12-22-2018 03:34 PM #44
      Mine on my AMG is only enabled automatically on eco mode or comfort mode. Sport and Sport plus it's off and Individual mode is programmed by you. So no it doesn't bother me because it's never on.

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      12-22-2018 05:36 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by WilNJ View Post
      Lol at the ‘new’ tech panic. I rented a Kia in Europe in 2010 with start/stop.
      Our '08 Honda has it, with no way to disable it (from what I know)
      It's rubbish. I drive it so very little, that each time it turns off, I think that it broke down.
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      12-22-2018 06:38 PM #47
      My F150 has the "feature" and there is a program that you can download called Forscan that allows you to disable it. I took care of that last year and haven't thought about the setting for quite a while.

    24. 12-22-2018 06:51 PM #48
      I cannot stand it. It is a deal breaker if you cannot turn that crap off.

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      12-23-2018 12:11 PM #49
      i don't mind it. i don't find the start/stop in my golf r to be obtrusive. also, i live in a city where the conditions for stop/start are pretty ideal: there isn't a lot of stop-and-go traffic, but there are a ton of 8-way intersections where one's car just idles for several minutes at a time. if i do hit stop-and-go traffic, i just turn the start/stop feature off.
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      12-23-2018 12:44 PM #50
      It’s not a big deal to me at all.
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