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    1. 01-14-2019 01:43 PM #76
      Quote Originally Posted by Mike! View Post
      Right, but the launch edition is $55k and I'm guessing it's that or the ~$53k premium model in every picture you posted.
      But I never the car pictured is $49.9k. :p

      Press Release on pricing

      https://pressroom.toyota.com/release...90+dollars.htm

      DETROIT (Jan. 14, 2019) – Sports car enthusiasts have been waiting more than 20 years for the return of Supra and will soon be able to purchase the 2020 Toyota GR Supra for a Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price of $49,990.

      For those fans and collectors anxious to be among the first owners of this iconic sports car, the initial 1,500 production Supras for the U.S. will be Launch Edition models starting at $55,250. Each will be uniquely numbered and have distinctive features signifying the exclusivity and excitement of Supra’s return. Toyota dealers will be handling all orders and the Launch Edition models go on sale in Summer 2019 starting at $55,250.

      The Supra Launch Edition will be available in exterior colors of Absolute Zero White, Nocturnal Black or Renaissance Red 2.0, each featuring high-contrast red mirror caps and 19-inch forged matte black alloy wheels.

      The Absolute Zero White and Nocturnal Black Supra Launch Editions will have a red interior. Each of the racing-inspired seats will be wrapped in red leather, with red leather steering wheel grips, and a red center console with carbon-fiber accents.

      The Renaissance Red 2.0 Supra Launch Edition will feature a black leather-trimmed interior, with black seats, a black steering wheel, and black center console. The black interior will also feature carbon-fiber accents.

      The first 1,500 Supras will feature an individually numbered carbon-fiber badge on the passenger-side dashboard complete with a graphic of Toyota Motor Corporation President and Master Driver Akio Toyoda’s signature.

      Different Grades, Same Power
      The 2020 Supra will be available in two grades: 3.0 and 3.0 Premium. Both will be powered by a 3.0-liter turbocharged inline six-cylinder engine that produces 335 hp and 365 lb-ft of torque and is mated to an 8-speed automatic transmission with racing-style paddle shifters. Both grades will also come standard with serious performance features including adaptive suspension, an active rear differential and launch control.
      The 3.0 grade has a 6.5-inch display with Bluetooth and iPod capability, as well as Alcantara seats. Navigation and JBL Audio will be an available option for an additional $2,460.

      The 3.0 Premium grade will feature an upgraded 8.8-inch wide-format touchscreen display with Navigation, Supra Connect telematics services, wireless Apple CarPlay, a premium 12-speaker JBL audio system, wireless phone charging and a color Head-Up Display. The 3.0 Premium grade will also feature heated, leather-trimmed seats.

      The Supra Launch Edition will be based on the 3.0 Premium grade.

      Standard safety features on both grades, as well as the Launch Edition, include forward collision warning, automatic emergency braking with pedestrian detection, lane departure warning, road sign assist and automatic high beams.

      The Driver Assist Package is an additional suite of safety features that will be optional on both grades for an additional $1,195. It includes full speed adaptive cruise control, blind spot monitor, rear cross traffic alert, parking sonar and rear collision warning.

      Model # Grade MSRP* 20MY
      2372 3.0 $49,990
      2374 3.0 Premium $53,990
      2375 Launch Edition $55,250 *Does not include the delivery, processing, and handling (DPH) fee of $930

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      01-14-2019 01:48 PM #77
      This car suffered from

      *looks left and right*
      *sighs*

      NSX syndrome.

      Don't get me wrong, it still has some fundamental issues. There were better options.... turbo 86 (i.e. the original Celica Supra formula, more or less), or a Toyota LC500 with the new corporate V6TT. But this................................

      And then on top of that, all the hype.................

      Hopefully this is a lesson to all the auto companies thinking of reviving historic models. I don't even understand why they did it this way. Anyone even remotely interested in a Supra would know about it the moment it came out, without any hype.

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      01-14-2019 01:53 PM #78
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      This car suffered from

      *looks left and right*
      *sighs*

      NSX syndrome.

      Don't get me wrong, it still has some fundamental issues. There were better options.... turbo 86 (i.e. the original Celica Supra formula, more or less), or a Toyota LC500 with the new corporate V6TT. But this................................

      And then on top of that, all the hype.................

      Hopefully this is a lesson to all the auto companies thinking of reviving historic models. I don't even understand why they did it this way. Anyone even remotely interested in a Supra would know about it the moment it came out, without any hype.
      Seems like American automakers actually did a good job on revivals of the historic models with the Charger, Challenger, Camaro, and Viper. Charger did get some hate in the beginning for not being a 2 door, but with all the performance versions it does live up to it's plate name in a way. None of the cars were overhyped, and all more or less delivered of what was expected from them.

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      01-14-2019 01:56 PM #79
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      This car suffered from

      *looks left and right*
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      NSX syndrome.
      I want to say "Chrysler Crossfire" syndrome, haha. Presumably, people interested in a sporty Chrysler aren't going to put up with Mercedes maintenance prices, same with people who want a sporty Toyota aren't going to tolerate HPFP failures, cooling system refreshes and the usual 5+ year-old BMW issues.

      I hope the 3rd member of the promised Toyota sports car trifecta is an actual Toyota.
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      01-14-2019 01:56 PM #80
      There are parts of this car I like. Then there's the 99% of the car I don't like.
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      01-14-2019 01:59 PM #81
      How are the Toyota faithfuls reacting to this car? I mean BMW platform, BMW engine, ZF8H automatic, BMW interior parts bin... and BMW did most of the design and engineering. Also there will be 4 cylinder version applied to the Supra name for the firs time (the 6 was what separated "Celica Supra" and Celica in the first place right?) Other than the badge this is really just a Z4 coupe. Is this what the Supra fans wanted/waited for for 20 years?

      I'm not trying to troll... honest question. I don't read any Toyota forums (or know any TBH and don't feel like google) so I have no idea.

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      01-14-2019 01:59 PM #82
      OTOH, it's great the toyota is adding some excitement into their lineup and I generally like the styling. However, the lack of a manual, the front overhang, and the BMW bones make it a non-starter for me. I wouldn't touch this vehicle with a 10-ft pole. I'd rather have a Lexus RC (particularly the F, though it's about 10k more than the supra).

      Part of the greatness of a performance car is that it shows, IMO, the passion of the company and what it stands for. They literally phoned this one in. If I wanted BMW technology/drive-powertrains, that's what I'd buy. For a supra, I want toyota's vision of a performance coupe in the current day and times. I guess, I have to go to Lexus to get that. Fine with me.

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      01-14-2019 02:05 PM #83
      Quote Originally Posted by 6cylVWguy View Post
      OTOH, it's great the toyota is adding some excitement into their lineup and I generally like the styling. However, the lack of a manual, the front overhang, and the BMW bones make it a non-starter for me. I wouldn't touch this vehicle with a 10-ft pole. I'd rather have a Lexus RC (particularly the F, though it's about 10k more than the supra).

      Part of the greatness of a performance car is that it shows, IMO, the passion of the company and what it stands for. They literally phoned this one in. If I wanted BMW technology/drive-powertrains, that's what I'd buy. For a supra, I want toyota's vision of a performance coupe in the current day and times. I guess, I have to go to Lexus to get that. Fine with me.
      Yeah, a huge part of the appeal of the OG NSX and Supra was that you could daily drive them with no issues, even after 10 years. It's kind of like how I should like the FR-S but I don't want it because it is a Subaru underneath. People who want a Toyota want a Toyota.

      IMO it should have been a Mark X coupe with a hotted up 4.6-liter V8 or the TT V6 from the LS.

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      01-14-2019 02:05 PM #84
      The Facebook responses from the Toyota admin are a hilarious cut and paste for each negative comment:

      - Akio Toyoda tested it himself!
      - It has racing paddle shifters!
      - Of course it's reliable, Akio Toyoda tested it himself!
      - No, it has an MSRP of just $49k
      - Akio Toyoda tested it himself!
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      01-14-2019 02:11 PM #85
      From the pictures provided, I can't find an angle where it looks good.

      The $50K base price will be easily $60K with "market adjustment".

      Is there any reason to get this over a Z4?

      I reject geometry.

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      01-14-2019 02:11 PM #86
      TCL is a hard crowd to please.

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      01-14-2019 02:16 PM #87
      Quote Originally Posted by StressStrain View Post
      TCL is a hard crowd to please.
      For $35k, even $40k base price no one would complain, but for $50k it's pretty hard not to notice how cars costing $20k-$30k have much better and unique interiors and similar power output.

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      01-14-2019 02:21 PM #88
      Quote Originally Posted by adrew View Post
      I want to say "Chrysler Crossfire" syndrome, haha. Presumably, people interested in a sporty Chrysler aren't going to put up with Mercedes maintenance prices, same with people who want a sporty Toyota aren't going to tolerate HPFP failures, cooling system refreshes and the usual 5+ year-old BMW issues.
      As one of the few people in this forum who bought a new crossfire, there are definitely some similarities between the two situations. What I liked about the crossfire when I bought is the firesale pricing, the styling, the manual transmisison, and the much better-than-standard-chrysler @the time build quality. So yeah, everything will have a price. Chrysler sell a decent number of these in the beginning, so it will be interesting to see if the trend stays the same with the Supra. I really liked the styling and feel of the Crossfire at the time---much nicer than anything outside of the viper that Chrysler had on sale at the time. I don't think the same will be said of the Supra---toyota already makes pretty nice vehicles, they're just boring.

      The big issue will be servicing. My experience with the crossfire was heinous--I spent more time at the dealer fixing with the techs would screw up than fixing legit broken items. I was told that Chrysler techs basically spent about 2 hours in a classroom to learn about the MB systems and were then certified to work on the cars. They had no hands on training or anything like that. So every time you would bring the car in to get fixed, it was basically an experiment. I don't think things will be all that different for toyota, IMO.

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      01-14-2019 02:23 PM #89
      Quote Originally Posted by Turbo II View Post
      For $35k, even $40k base price no one would complain, but for $50k it's pretty hard not to notice how cars costing $20k-$30k have much better and unique interiors and similar power output.
      Unless it drives amazingly well, and it might--some cars just seem to get a pass for being "slow" or "cheap" for their price range based on how they drive. Of course, pretty much all of those cars are either mid-engine (4C, Cayman, Exige), or entry level (MX-5, BR-Z). $50k front-motor is just an extremely competitive segment for a performance car.

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      01-14-2019 02:27 PM #90
      Quote Originally Posted by Lwize View Post
      From the pictures provided, I can't find an angle where it looks good.

      The $50K base price will be easily $60K with "market adjustment".

      Is there any reason to get this over a Z4?

      Price and the fact that it's a hardtop.

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      01-14-2019 02:27 PM #91
      Quote Originally Posted by StressStrain View Post
      TCL is a hard crowd to please.
      I mean, it looks nice, but if your friend/boss asked you whether s/he should buy a 2012 535i or a 2012 GS350, all other things being equal, which would 99% of us recommend?
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      01-14-2019 02:30 PM #92
      Quote Originally Posted by StressStrain View Post
      TCL is a hard crowd to please.
      For TCL you're not wrong. The bigger problem this thing has is pleasing the market. Again, why this over any other $55K performance car? That is the burning question.

    19. 01-14-2019 02:31 PM #93
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      For TCL you're not wrong. The bigger problem this thing has is pleasing the market. Again, why this over any other $55K performance car? That is the burning question.
      My guess is they're hedging their bets on there still being a solid market for the Supra name.
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      01-14-2019 02:33 PM #94
      Since the 86 TRD Special Edition has a MSRP of almost $34K, I don't see the $50K price being too outrageous. As for the appearance, I really do like the interior and the uniqueness of the car, but I wouldn't see it's the best looking car out there, or the best buy.


      When I went to Barrett Jackson last Saturday, they had every Supra generation, with this one on a platform. Unfortunately, they still had it under a cover, so all I could see is the overall shape. I was a little surprised on how small the car is, it looked similar in size to the 86, or the MKII Supra.

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      01-14-2019 02:36 PM #95
      Overall, I really like it. I think this would bring some excitement to Toyota Showrooms.

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    22. 01-14-2019 02:37 PM #96
      Quote Originally Posted by bzcat View Post
      BMW platform, BMW engine, ZF8H automatic, BMW interior parts bin... and BMW did most of the design and engineering.
      Other than the badge this is really just a Z4 coupe.
      Is this what the Supra fans wanted/waited for for 20 years?
      The problem in a nutshell.
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      01-14-2019 02:41 PM #97
      Quote Originally Posted by bzcat View Post
      How are the Toyota faithfuls reacting to this car?
      I'm thinking the Toyota faithful have either bought the real thing (MKIV Supra) or are in a Camry/RAV4 looking to drive cost per mile to zero.

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      01-14-2019 02:42 PM #98
      I think the rear end looks pretty cool. The front... not so much.

      Maybe I missed it somewhere, is this a liftback?

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      01-14-2019 02:43 PM #99
      Quote Originally Posted by Avus View Post
      Not really, it is more like you just cannot afford the REAL Toyota 2 door coupe - aka Lexus LC and it is a very nice coupe. MAY BE you can wait for this one...

      I can live with this Supra. I don;t mind it tbh. However if the new MR-2 (which is supposedly what this green hemorrhage is supposed to be) looks anything like this, I'll be saying goodbye to the Toyota I used to know and love for good

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      01-14-2019 02:46 PM #100
      Quote Originally Posted by Uber Wagon View Post
      Overall, I really like it. I think this would bring some excitement to Toyota Showrooms.




      Sorry to be a bummer, but as much as I would love to I didn't say that

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