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    1. Member TangoRed's Avatar
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      08-13-2019 03:06 PM #1176
      Quote Originally Posted by Silly_me View Post
      Does this thing really have the same cabin as the BMW?
      Quote Originally Posted by amdmaxx View Post
      Yes

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      But really no, saying its the same cabin is a gross overstatement. The BMW switchgear and hardpoints are readily on display though.


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      08-13-2019 03:11 PM #1177
      Quote Originally Posted by Engineer90 View Post
      What's impressive about the B58 is that it's not an overly complicated engine, which is what I thought it was. But after him taking it apart doesn't seem too bad.

      I guess we'll see if this engine can do the 1000 HP he wants. Although the 8-speed idk if it can handle it.
      I know tuner's gonna tune and this is probably going on some insane high level car build. But really if this motor can handle 500ish hp without going crazy, I'd be very satisfied.
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    4. 08-13-2019 03:47 PM #1178
      Quote Originally Posted by TangoRed View Post
      But really no, saying its the same cabin is a gross overstatement. The BMW switchgear and hardpoints are readily on display though.


      Actually I don't see similarities at all. Maybe the button cluster to the left of the wheel same, but every button, vent, shape and layout are different. If I didn't know it's sourced by BMW I'd never guess. They're just completely different interiors.

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      08-13-2019 04:09 PM #1179
      All I wish they did was a Toyota specific font on all the switchgear and a non BMW shift knob. That's it!

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      08-13-2019 04:33 PM #1180
      Quote Originally Posted by chocofrappe55 View Post
      Actually I don't see similarities at all.
      Yeah, I was watching top gear and Harris was going on about how it was the same dash/wheel/etc, but I don't really see it myself. Different enough for me.
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    7. 08-13-2019 04:37 PM #1181
      Supra uses previous gen switch gear while Z4 hardware is from current lineup.

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      08-13-2019 04:39 PM #1182
      Quote Originally Posted by CostcoPizza View Post
      All I wish they did was a Toyota specific font on all the switchgear and a non BMW shift knob. That's it!
      Of course you do know that there would still be arguments about the font and whether it was the right one or not, right?
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      08-13-2019 04:57 PM #1183
      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      I didn't expect to enjoy that as much as I did. BMW did a terrific job on the B58, or at least so it seems at this point. I know there's been people who have already made 500-600hp on the BMW homed B58s and it seems plausible that it can support even more power than that, making the Supra guys happy too. Anybody know what the power limitations of the transmission are? Or the diff, axles, etc?
      not sure how different the auto-trans are compared to the e90/N54 but on the e90 the stock autos would start slipping around 450lb/ft but after flashing it would be good up to about the 650 range. Manuals seemed to be fine until about the same 450lb/ft range and then the clutch would start slipping. The good thing is the 335is/550i both had heavy duty versions that are a direct replacement and they seem to maintain stock feel and are holding up on cars in the 750 hp range.

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      08-13-2019 06:49 PM #1184
      Quote Originally Posted by texghost View Post
      Supra uses previous gen switch gear while Z4 hardware is from current lineup.
      But does the Supra have Carplay and does it require a yearly subscription?

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      08-13-2019 08:51 PM #1185
      Quote Originally Posted by spockcat View Post
      But does the Supra have Carplay and does it require a yearly subscription?
      Apparently BMW does still charge for Carplay on the Supra, but Toyota covers the first 4 years. No word on pricing beyond the 4 year mark but I would assume it's whatever BMW charges for BMW-badged vehicles too unless Toyota decides to extend the Carplay payments further as a goodwill measure.

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      08-14-2019 02:00 PM #1186
      Quote Originally Posted by TurboREX View Post
      wow never knew there was an internal exhuast mani on the b58, kinda nuts
      I had read previously that it was introduced with the revised B58.

      B58B30M0 - original and not integrated (most pre-2019 BMW)
      B58B30M1 - revised mid power level with integrated exhaust manifold (Supra)
      B58B30O1 - revised high power level and not integrated (Z4)

      Here is the article.

      https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/10/31/b...88-horsepower/

      Quote Originally Posted by bmwblog
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      Of course, the BMW B58 TÜ1 outperforms its predecessor in terms of performance. Initially, two power levels are planned, called ML (middle power level) and OL (upper power level). In the ML comes the B58 TÜ1 with 250 kW (340 hp) and 450 to 500 Newton meters of torque, the OL has 275 to 285 kW (374 to 388 hp) and 500 Newton meters of torque. Of course, the new M-engine S58 will adopt some ideas of the B58 TÜ1 development in an adapted form.

      In the middle performance level, a new cylinder head with integrated manifold is used. This sophisticated solution brings various advantages in terms of thermal management and, among other things, allows a more efficient distribution of heat to relevant points. The exhaust gas turbocharger of the middle power level has been adapted to the new position of the manifold, which in addition to the cost benefits also brings a weight saving of 2 kilograms. The upper power level uses a turbocharger with integrated manifold, which has also been further refined.
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      08-16-2019 04:18 PM #1188
      ^^ Only 2:35 to 2:50 has any driving, in case anyone else would like tips to know what to skip.

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      08-16-2019 04:22 PM #1189
      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      ^^ Only 2:35 to 2:50 has any driving, in case anyone else would like tips to know what to skip.
      My fault, should've included that
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