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So much whining from people that were never going to put money down on the car.
The styling is growing on me the more I look at it. Initially all the cut lines were a turn off but the overall shape is fantastic and i'm really warming to it. E85 M coupe esque. The interior looks good and well laid out and personally i'm glad they cribbed BMW parts - if you're going to pull from a parts bin that's one of the better ones and IMO better than Toyota's own.
Would you prefer they had taken the Corolla HVAC and infotainment instead?
I like it, and it's own my shortlist for my next purchase 3 years from now. Interested to see if they fold and bring out a manuel.
Its neat. I'd hoped for it to be a bit lighter than whats been announced.. but look forward to having a chance to drive one at some point.
It'd be a hard sell for me over a 997.2 with a manual. Considering both can be had for the same 45-55k. If the car were at 3,000lbs or lighter with a manual gearbox I'd have to give it a serious look/consideration vs adding another 997.2. Either way, more cars like this is a good thing.
Conversely there's plenty of stuff I have actually bought that I have no opinion on. Like my washing machine or my ceiling fan.
In the rest of our eyes, you're just whining. What about the interior is lackluster, because it looks pretty fantastic and better than any Toyota product to me. What parts would you have subbed in for the BMW pieces to make it more toyota? Where would you source this higher power engine and how would you do all that while cutting the cost by 20%?
Ecoboost Mustang? You're comparing to a platform that will sell 10-20x what this will and an engine that is amortized over multiple nameplates. 370Z? You mean the worst sports car in America?
If this does drive anything like the Cayman it was benchmarked against, Toyota has a winner on their hands.
Like I said, interior and exterior looks are subjective. BMW parts bin is another story. Simple graphics changes in the infotainment system and few other tweeks here and there could have made it feel less like sitting in a Z4 with Toyota badges.
I'm comparing it to a car that is a fair competitor, front engined rear wheel drive sports coupe. Similar power output. 370Z was not my suggestion.
Except it won't drive all that much like Cayman most likely because of a different engine layout.
Granted, Toyota and BMW basically have nothing to lose as this is a SWB G20 3 series which, unlike the Rustang, has not just an engine but a whole chassis amortized over BMW's whole future RWD lineup. But if that's the approach, what's the point? Should have just made a hardtop Z4. Oddly enough, this is basically what Nissan did with the Z, which is somehow the worst sports car in the world. (checks avatar again) Bias much?