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    1. 03-25-2019 04:36 PM #1
      • 2019 Arteon: 22/31/25
      • 2019 Arteon 4Motion: 20/27/23

      The 4Motion version is getting slightly worse fuel economy compared to other "sportback" models from mainstream brands. The Buick Regal 2.0T AWD returns 21/29/24 and the Kia Stinger 2.0T AWD comes in at 21/29/24. The Regal GS is really close at 19/27/22 with a 42 HP advantage and likely fuel cost savings as it only requires regular vs. the Arteon's premium requirement. The Stinger GT AWD produces worse fuel economy at 17/25/20 but it is likely a good bit faster.




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      03-25-2019 06:07 PM #2
      I'm curious how/why the Audi A4 with similar drivetrain can beat the Arteon so soundly in fuel economy with 27/34/23. The A4 makes 20 fewer hp but also has 1 less gear in the transmission (7 speed dsg in the Audi vs 8 speed traditional in the Arteon). Is it the difference in the quattro/4 motion systems?

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      03-26-2019 07:45 AM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by sp4c3m4nsp1ff17 View Post
      I'm curious how/why the Audi A4 with similar drivetrain can beat the Arteon so soundly in fuel economy with 27/34/23. The A4 makes 20 fewer hp but also has 1 less gear in the transmission (7 speed dsg in the Audi vs 8 speed traditional in the Arteon). Is it the difference in the quattro/4 motion systems?
      It could be the weight difference between the 2 cars, if there is one. I think the A4 might be smaller than the Arteon. Of course, these are also EPA numbers, which aren't always indicative of what is achieved in the real world.
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    6. 03-26-2019 12:40 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by sp4c3m4nsp1ff17 View Post
      I'm curious how/why the Audi A4 with similar drivetrain can beat the Arteon so soundly in fuel economy with 27/34/23. The A4 makes 20 fewer hp but also has 1 less gear in the transmission (7 speed dsg in the Audi vs 8 speed traditional in the Arteon). Is it the difference in the quattro/4 motion systems?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ace Deprave View Post
      It could be the weight difference between the 2 cars, if there is one. I think the A4 might be smaller than the Arteon.
      I believe some of the dealer docs that leaked when the Arteon was supposed to drop had the weight of the 4Motion version coming in at 3854lbs. The 2018 Audi A6 2.0T Quattro 8A is 4023 lbs. It also has 16 less HP but 15 more ft-lbs of TQ. It comes in at 22/31/26.

      It might be a drivetrain parasitic loss issue. The A4/6 uses the ZF 8A while the Arteon uses the Aisin 8A unit. But I always thought the Haldex based system in the Arteon was more efficient than the Torsen based system in the Audi.

      Quote Originally Posted by Ace Deprave View Post
      Of course, these are also EPA numbers, which aren't always indicative of what is achieved in the real world.
      With turbo fours doing "worse" than the EPA numbers, particularly in city driving. So that does not bode well for the 4Motion Arteon.

    7. 04-27-2019 07:48 AM #5
      I hope they offer the SEL or Rline with just FWD at some point. I'm in FL and don't want or need to pay for AWD. I'd rather the car be lighter, cheaper, and get better mpg.

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      04-27-2019 08:34 AM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by spike_africa View Post
      I hope they offer the SEL or Rline with just FWD at some point. I'm in FL and don't want or need to pay for AWD. I'd rather the car be lighter, cheaper, and get better mpg.
      They do. It's on the order guides. You can get FWD in SE, SE R-Line, SEL and SEL R-Line.

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      04-27-2019 04:50 PM #7
      Kind of surprised that the new Tiguan gets better mpg than the Arteon (both 4Mo/8sp). Big difference in power, but that should not affect hwy mpg. Maybe gearing is changed for better response?
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      04-29-2019 08:45 AM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by PZ View Post
      Kind of surprised that the new Tiguan gets better mpg than the Arteon (both 4Mo/8sp). Big difference in power, but that should not affect hwy mpg. Maybe gearing is changed for better response?
      the MQB Tiguan B-cycle motor is practically starved of fuel. not to mention that this B-cycle motor is designed specifically with fuel savings in mind.
      its a turd of a motor that cant get out of its own way if it needed to...
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      04-29-2019 10:10 AM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by vdubs kopfschuss GLI View Post
      the MQB Tiguan B-cycle motor is practically starved of fuel. not to mention that this B-cycle motor is designed specifically with fuel savings in mind. its a turd of a motor that cant get out of its own way if it needed to...
      Is that the same motor that is in my 2018 Passat 2.0? I just averaged 41 mpg on a round trip from LA to San Diego and really liked the economy. The car seems able to get out of its way but I guess that's all subjective.

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      04-29-2019 12:09 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by vdubs kopfschuss GLI View Post
      the MQB Tiguan B-cycle motor is practically starved of fuel. not to mention that this B-cycle motor is designed specifically with fuel savings in mind.
      its a turd of a motor that cant get out of its own way if it needed to...
      I guess you drove a 2018 Tiguan. The revised throttle and trans software is much better on the 2019, it seems to have plenty of power for the average driver. It's not a performance engine, but it does get out of it's own way.
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      04-30-2019 03:18 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by dubonaire_B4 View Post
      They do. It's on the order guides. You can get FWD in SE, SE R-Line, SEL and SEL R-Line.
      I was just speaking to my dealership in NJ and they don't even know what they are getting as their first allotment yet. I'm told from what they can see there are no FWDs in process for the Northeast.

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      08-04-2019 02:38 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by sp4c3m4nsp1ff17 View Post
      I'm curious how/why the Audi A4 with similar drivetrain can beat the Arteon so soundly in fuel economy with 27/34/23. The A4 makes 20 fewer hp but also has 1 less gear in the transmission (7 speed dsg in the Audi vs 8 speed traditional in the Arteon). Is it the difference in the quattro/4 motion systems?

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      The DSG is far more efficient than the mediocre Aisin transmission. Other autos like the 2.0T 3-series get better mileage because they use a more efficient ZF transmission. But my understanding is that the ZF cannot be used (yet) with transverse engines (don't take my word for it though).

      27mpg EPA highway is not attractive at all for me. I hope we'll get the DSG next year.

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      08-04-2019 05:37 PM #13
      I expect the real highway MPG will be much like the Tiguan. It easily beats the estimate, even with 4Mo. On the highway, well above most states speed limit (80mph), I pulled off 33mpg on multiple tanks driving without a/c on my trip in May. With a/c, I expect I would get 30mpg at the same speeds. Even at 80mph, I was often one of the slower driver's in the interstate (speed limit was often 75 with a few places higher). Since aerodynamics affect highway mpg most of all, the significantly lower CD of the Arteon (vs the Tiguan) should help it easily exceed the ratings.
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    16. 08-05-2019 07:54 AM #14
      I have a arteon sel p and i always get above the 27 mpg rating on the highway. I would say i average about 29 mpg on long trips. Pretty good for a big car like arteon. My sister in law has a 2019 tiguan, and that are cannot get of of its own way on the highway.

    17. 08-07-2019 03:21 PM #15
      Driving around the other day around town with the A/C off it was saying I was hitting 36mpg.. I usually get 30-31 on highway with A/C on. I have 4 motion.. Not sure how accurate the MFI is.

    18. 08-08-2019 08:37 AM #16
      Has anyone compare the MPG between normal and sport driving mode? I recently started using the sport mode and have not notice much of a drop driving around the city, what are some of you guys or gals getting for MPG with different drive mode?

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      08-08-2019 09:03 AM #17
      My mileage quoted in the real MPG thread has pretty much been all Sport mode. I go back and forth between sport mode and manually shifting via paddles - if I'm not manually shifting, then I'm in Sport. Same went with my Audi...I just can't get along with the slower responses and earlier shift points in D. The only time I sometimes use D is on a long highway cruise, where the quick responses and higher shift points aren't needed. My mileage so far has been tracking almost exactly where it was on my first tank. I haven't yet gone on any trips or long highway drives - just the daily commute and weekend play.

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    20. 08-08-2019 09:04 AM #18
      I will test driving around in sport mode and report back.

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      08-08-2019 09:21 AM #19
      honestly, sport mode usually sees the best performance when it comes to economy.

      i have driven my Arteon in 'Eco' and it keeps the car in such a high gear and the revs so low, that you find yourself damn near flooring it everywhere anyway.
      'Eco' is great when you are on the highway and know you will be there for an extended period of time. 'Sport' mode is great for cruising around as it seems to always be in the perfect gear to accelerate when needed, but not dropping a gear either.
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      08-09-2019 02:44 PM #20
      Do you guys trust the drive stats display for mpg?
      I feel like I've bought a Jetta by mistake!
      (Or is it just that I still drive like I have a Subaru Legacy?)

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      08-09-2019 11:21 PM #21
      On my 40 mile ride home from work last night, I hit 36 MPG. Pretty happy with that.
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    24. 08-10-2019 11:37 AM #22
      Gone thru one full tank and so far sport mode yields about 0.5 mpg less.

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      08-13-2019 02:18 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by M Diddy View Post
      On my 40 mile ride home from work last night, I hit 36 MPG. Pretty happy with that.
      Glad I'm not the only one seeing stats like that -- I was almost worrying that I was doing something wrong with mpg so far above the EPA specs (especially still w/in the break-in period).

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      08-13-2019 03:19 PM #24
      I don't really go by the stats in the onboard computer - I'll use them for trip references and general averages, but I usually prefer to reset my trip after each tank fill, calculate how much fuel I added during that fill, and calculate my mileage based on that.

      My first tank was a little more conservative than the later ones, because I generally take it a little easy for the first 500 miles or so with a new car. But once I pass that threshold, I have a generally aggressive and heavy-footed driving style and local roads and highways are quite high-speed...just keeping up with the flow of traffic on the highway to work requires traveling in the 80-85MPH range...it's a very fast road. My driving style hasn't change between different car models, so I can pretty well compare mileage to my last car which was also a 2.0 T VW engine, tuned to the lower 220HP output...the difference so far is just a hair over 1MPG. I'm happy to have the extra power and extra space for that 1MPG difference.
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    27. 08-14-2019 08:43 AM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan Shefftz View Post
      Glad I'm not the only one seeing stats like that -- I was almost worrying that I was doing something wrong with mpg so far above the EPA specs (especially still w/in the break-in period).
      I assume you have 4 motion, those are incredible numbers if they are long term MPG numbers. I am only get about 29 MPG on the highway.

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