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      03-28-2019 03:46 PM #1


      Since its introduction, the current generation Mazda6 has always remained a top choice among driving enthusiasts. That's because it's one of the few cars left in its class to still offer a manual transmission, next to the Honda Accord. But sadly, it seems even that's going to disappear for the 2019 model year update.

      CarsDirect originally heard through the grapevine that the Mazda6 sedan will be losing its standard six-speed manual while gaining some new safety tech.

      At first, we here at Autoblog were in denial. We had to reach out to Mazda to verify this unfortunate news. And sadly, it seems CarsDirect's findings are accurate, with Mazda USA's marketing and brand communications manager, Drew Cary, replying to our inquiry with the following statement:
      At Mazda we are always listening to our fans, especially when it comes to what they are looking for from our vehicles. As we have moved the Mazda6 upscale with the launch of the Grand Touring Reserve and Signature models, we have seen less demand for a manual transmission option.

      We continue to support enthusiasts who enjoy driving with a manual transmission in the all-new 2019 Mazda3 Premium Hatchback model, and of course the ever iconic MX-5 Miata.

      As sad as this may be, it actually does not come as much of a surprise. As automatic transmission technology has evolved, manuals have simply become more obsolete. Additionally, the take rates for manuals in mainstream automobiles, especially one aspiring to go upmarket, continues to be on the decline. And it was easy to see this coming, since for 2018 the manual could only be had on the base trim of the Mazda6 anyway. So scratch one more model off our list of cars you can still buy with a manual transmission.

      To offset the deletion of the manual, the base 2019 Mazda6 will include more safety tech. For instance, the entry-level Sport trim will now come with i-Activsense safety technology as standard, bundling automatic emergency braking assist, lane-departure alert with lane-keep assist, automatic headlights, and radar-guided cruise control with stop-and-go capabilities.

      Related: Why the manual transmission can save us from technology

      But it doesn't stop there, as the standard options list also includes automatic rain-sensing windshield wipers and Mazda's signature G-Vectoring Control Plus that originally debuted on the high-powered Mazda6 Turbo model only.

      This, of course, increases the price of the base 2019 Mazda6, by $1,875. Previously, i-Activsense was a $625 option, while it cost $1,050 to replace the Mazda6's standard six-speed manual with a six-speed automatic.

      Prior to the 2019 model year, if you added those options to the base model, the price difference with the incoming and updated 2019 Mazda6 would only be $200
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      03-28-2019 04:10 PM #2
      The stick shift was only available in the base trim for 2018 which no one wanted. That said it’s not like it would have sold any better in a higher trim.

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      03-28-2019 04:14 PM #3
      The journalistic lamentation of manual deletion from cars never ceases to simultaneously amuse and bore me.
      The taxes...the finger thing means the taxes.

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      03-28-2019 05:30 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by VarianceVQ View Post
      The journalistic lamentation of manual deletion from cars never ceases to simultaneously amuse and bore me.
      Can you be amused and bored at the same time? That's a paradox.

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      03-28-2019 05:54 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by GolfTango View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by VarianceVQ View Post
      The journalistic lamentation of manual deletion from cars never ceases to simultaneously amuse and bore me.
      Can you be amused and bored at the same time? That's a paradox.
      I get what he's saying. It's amazing how long they've been hanging on to the save the manuals meme

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      03-28-2019 07:03 PM #6
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      03-28-2019 08:06 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by VarianceVQ View Post
      The journalistic lamentation of manual deletion from cars never ceases to simultaneously amuse and bore me.
      This from a guy who's only manual vehicle is an Element purchased with no fluid in the trans trying to convince everyone that manuals are no fun.

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      03-28-2019 08:16 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by Sonderwunsch View Post
      This from a guy who's only manual vehicle is an Element purchased with no fluid in the trans trying to convince everyone that manuals are no fun.
      I'm not trying to convince anyone of the sort.

      I said I didn't find it any fun.

      That's not even what I was getting at anyway. Does anyone actually care that you can't buy a manual Mazda6 anymore? People barely buy the things with automatics.
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      03-28-2019 08:38 PM #9
      Mazda lost me when they didn’t bring the 6 wagon. (Former 6 wagon manual bought new off the lot owner)

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      03-28-2019 08:45 PM #10
      Oddly enough, Mazda had already dropped the manual in Canada for 2018. I say oddly enough because they tend to offer more manuals in Canada,. Before 2018, every trim level of the 6 was available with a manual.

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      03-28-2019 11:33 PM #11
      "Save the manuals" is nothing but a meme at this point. Nobody cares, really. And by nobody I mean 99.997% of car buyers do not care about the transmission, Nissan's sales numbers with that bull**** CVT are a perfect example. The cars that are "undeniably better" with a stick shift are still available with a stick, hell some are even stick only such as SI's and Type R's.

      We need manuals like we need another hole in the head, and the way the industry is going with all these safety nannies and gadgets that are incompatible with manuals and laws forcing them standard as time goes on even cars like the Miata and GT 86 arent safe for long.

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      03-28-2019 11:43 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by VarianceVQ View Post
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      That's not even what I was getting at anyway. Does anyone actually care that you can't buy a manual Mazda6 anymore? People barely buy the things with automatics.
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      Mazda lost me when they didn’t bring the 6 wagon. (Former 6 wagon manual bought new off the lot owner)
      Here we have exhibit #1 on why manuals are being removed from most mainstream vehicles. Manual buyers tend to be picky on body styles, trim levels, options, and exterior colors. It's like "ohhh I have cash in hand for a manual Mazda6 but only if it comes in wagon form with cloth ventilated seats without seat heaters and in phoenix metallic puke brown!"

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      03-29-2019 06:00 AM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by spathotan View Post
      "Save the manuals" is nothing but a meme at this point. Nobody cares, really. And by nobody I mean 99.997% of car buyers do not care about the transmission, Nissan's sales numbers with that bull**** CVT are a perfect example. The cars that are "undeniably better" with a stick shift are still available with a stick, hell some are even stick only such as SI's and Type R's.

      We need manuals like we need another hole in the head, and the way the industry is going with all these safety nannies and gadgets that are incompatible with manuals and laws forcing them standard as time goes on even cars like the Miata and GT 86 arent safe for long.
      you're probably right, unfortunately. I still think there is big enough demand to offer them, and if manufacturers cheat on their diesel exams, they can find a way around the safe BS and still offer a manual.

      Maybe we'll start seeing a boom of kit cars and low production sports cars that can get around the safety bs. Who knows. I feel its so pointless to offer gas-powered boring cars. Might as well go electric at that point.
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      03-29-2019 06:38 AM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by GolfTango View Post
      Can you be amused and bored at the same time? That's a paradox.
      Are you married and/or have children?

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      03-29-2019 07:50 AM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by VarianceVQ View Post
      The journalistic lamentation of manual deletion from cars never ceases to simultaneously amuse and bore me.
      Thank you. I'm also so freaking sick of the trope that "driving a stick will save us from distraction!" There is 1) no proof that is true, and 2) the power of keeping socially connected could easily overpower the physical hassle of needing a hand to shift every now and then.

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      03-29-2019 08:03 AM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by mutcth View Post
      Thank you. I'm also so freaking sick of the trope that "driving a stick will save us from distraction!" There is 1) no proof that is true
      It is an interesting question...

      Is it that drivers who are already on average less-distracted/more engaged choose manuals (and trumpet their lack of distraction) or is driving a manual actually making manual drivers less distracted on average due to more required regular "engagement"?
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      03-29-2019 08:11 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by mutcth View Post
      Thank you. I'm also so freaking sick of the trope that "driving a stick will save us from distraction!" There is 1) no proof that is true, and 2) the power of keeping socially connected could easily overpower the physical hassle of needing a hand to shift every now and then.

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      I agree. The other issue is that a lot of the everyday cars with a manual (6 and Accord) aren't geared for fun, and fun is pretty much the only reason to get a manual these days. A redline 1-2 shift shouldn't trigger a mental sad trombone.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lujess View Post
      It is an interesting question...

      Is it that drivers who are already on average less-distracted/more engaged choose manuals (and trumpet their lack of distraction) or is driving a manual actually making manual drivers less distracted on average due to more required regular "engagement"?

      Or is it bull**** enthusiasts pipe in when trying to present an argument about manual superiority?

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      03-29-2019 08:20 AM #19
      To be fair, most enthusiasts don't want a base model, base engine sedan stick or not. Even with a great product like the Mazda6, which should have had the turbo engine at launch.

      The 1G Mazda6 (and the last 4 generations of the accord, albeit only on the coupe for the 8G and 9G) could get a manual on the more powerful engine-which usually begets additional features like better seats/audio.
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      03-29-2019 08:22 AM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by VarianceVQ View Post
      Does anyone actually care that you can't buy a manual Mazda6 anymore? People barely buy the things with automatics.
      This is my feeling as well. I mean, from a very broad perspective, it's disheartening that manual car options are going away. But the pragmatist in me doesn't really care because I've never considered a 6, I don't have a plan on considering one, and the car itself doesn't sell well. And frankly, if I was to get a Mazda 6, it would be a household car, which would mean I'd probably end up with the auto anyway.

      The cars that I actually have a desire to own---sporty/performance cars---are still available with a manual. I will be bothered if something like the next gen M3 doesn't end up getting a manual, however. I know there's been some grumblings that such a thing will occur, but I will hold out hope for the official reveal and associated info about the level of content.

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      03-29-2019 08:42 AM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by VarianceVQ View Post
      . Does anyone actually care that you can't buy a manual Mazda6 anymore? People barely buy the things with automatics.
      Yes and no. The car I'm not interested in. The problem though is this is one more example of how the elimination of manual transmissions is growing like a cancer.

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      Count me among the numbers who would have bought the Manual if it had come in the trim level I wanted. I wanted a Touring, so auto was the only option.
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      03-29-2019 09:31 AM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by mutcth View Post
      Thank you. I'm also so freaking sick of the trope that "driving a stick will save us from distraction!" There is 1) no proof that is true, and 2) the power of keeping socially connected could easily overpower the physical hassle of needing a hand to shift every now and then.

      Tom

      Here's a not-really-a-study-but-it-is-something that does support manuals do help:

      Manual transmission enhances attention and driving performance of ADHD adolescent males: pilot study.
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17085632

      I believe driving a manual does help, albeit slightly. But I'm biased.
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      Quote Originally Posted by worth_fixing View Post
      you're probably right, unfortunately. I still think there is big enough demand to offer them, and if manufacturers cheat on their diesel exams, they can find a way around the safe BS and still offer a manual.

      Maybe we'll start seeing a boom of kit cars and low production sports cars that can get around the safety bs. Who knows. I feel its so pointless to offer gas-powered boring cars. Might as well go electric at that point.
      The manufacturers and more importantly dealers know. The heyday of manuals was a time when automatics sucked. Now, objectively at least, they are better. More fuel efficient, more compatible with safety and convenience features, most likely lower maintenance as well (the days of auto transmissions burning up and dying seems to be over).

      I would also love some more cheap options. I think in the coming years I am going to drop $15-20K on a fun/project car. The way I see it, if manufacturers can make side-by-sides and Ohlins equipped motorcycles for ~$15-20K a real bare bones performance car should be doable for that much. If they come up from the motorcycle/ATV realm rather than trying to strip down cars I think they can do something.

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