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    1. n00b
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      08-24-2019 02:54 PM #101
      Hello,

      I picked up my 2019 GTI SE on Wednesday of this week (8/21), car was great and ran fine with about 25 miles on the vehicle. Thursday morning went out for coffee and it stalled on me, no big deal I haven't driven a standard in years so I thought I was doing something wrong. Drove it another 50 miles on Thursday without any issues. Yesterday (Friday), took it Boston (20 miles from me) and it stalled again sitting in traffic, so I started it back up and went on my way. Got into Boston and it stalled three-four more times, drove home and it stalled again pulling into my driveway. I had the car three days and I lost count of how many times it stalled on me and almost got me, my wife, and daughter killed. In gear, out of gear with the clutch engage, either coming to a stop or at idle it stalls, one time it shook a little then stalled. Drove it back to the dealer this morning explaining to them exactly what's going on, blank stare back at from three guys at the desk! I'll keep you all updated as to where this nightmare is going. I hope they didn't sell me this car knowing that this is an issue, because if they did there will be a major issue. Thankfully I still have my 2016 100% reliable Q50 Red Sport to fall back on for now.

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    3. 08-24-2019 02:59 PM #102
      Quote Originally Posted by kyleshane12 View Post
      Hello,

      I picked up my 2019 GTI SE on Wednesday of this week (8/21), car was great and ran fine with about 25 miles on the vehicle. Thursday morning went out for coffee and it stalled on me, no big deal I haven't driven a standard in years so I thought I was doing something wrong. Drove it another 50 miles on Thursday without any issues. Yesterday (Friday), took it Boston (20 miles from me) and it stalled again sitting in traffic, so I started it back up and went on my way. Got into Boston and it stalled three-four more times, drove home and it stalled again pulling into my driveway. I had the car three days and I lost count of how many times it stalled on me and almost got me, my wife, and daughter killed. In gear, out of gear with the clutch engage, either coming to a stop or at idle it stalls, one time it shook a little then stalled. Drove it back to the dealer this morning explaining to them exactly what's going on, blank stare back at from three guys at the desk! I'll keep you all updated as to where this nightmare is going. I hope they didn't sell me this car knowing that this is an issue, because if they did there will be a major issue. Thankfully I still have my 2016 100% reliable Q50 Red Sport to fall back on for now.
      Welcome to club... I'm sure they will have a fix for it before 2020's go on sale. They seem to be aware of the problem...

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    4. 08-24-2019 11:23 PM #103
      Quote Originally Posted by oXRagin MooseXo View Post
      Welcome to club... I'm sure they will have a fix for it before 2020's go on sale. They seem to be aware of the problem...

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      I will put a beer of your choice wager on that.

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    6. n00b
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      08-25-2019 10:44 AM #104
      Thanks, but a club I want no part of. What a mess, never in my life experienced purchasing a new vehicle that I cannot drive. Volks keeps this up they will be in bankruptcy court within 2-3 years.

    7. 08-25-2019 06:26 PM #105
      I purchased a 2019 GTI S with a manual transmission at the end of June. And my car stalls. I was able to get my dealership to work on the problem and after contacting VW, they were instructed to do a 'readaptation' of the ECU. This didn't work and a new ECU had to be ordered. This was installed, but the car still stalled. I taught the folks at my dealership to get the car to stall (essentially driving slowly and stopping a lot) so they can recreate the issue on their own. They eventually, at VW's direction, made the issue happen with a scan tool connected and captured data. After VW's QTM in my region looked at the data, he suggested they change the oil and put a different weight oil in the car. Since then, the dealership hasn't been able to get the car to stall as far as I'm aware. Next week I'm sure I'll learn more.

      Via phone conversations, my service advisor has not been able to tell me exactly what other oil is now in the car. I haven't pressed him on the issue either. He thinks it is a slightly heavier weight oil than the factory fill. I guess it is the oil the VW specified for 2018 GTIs.

      I've had a loaner car from the dealership for weeks now. I have chosen to take the loaner and leave my car with them because it helps align the dealership's interests with my own. They want their loaner car back of course and I would like my car fixed. This isn't my first VW and I have a long history with my VW dealer so I don't think they'd treat me badly, but I like that the service department sees my 'broken' car every day. It makes it harder for them to not take it seriously.

      My story is abbreviated and condensed. All the nitty gritty isn't really necessary although things like the time they tried to give me my car back after the new ECU 'fixed' it with the check engine light on are funny.

      It is interesting to me that different oil seems to have a side effect of the car not stalling. Until a root cause is found, however, I'm not entirely comfortable with just putting other oil in the car and hoping for the best.

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      08-25-2019 08:29 PM #106
      Sounds like the variable valve timing is hanging with the lighter weight oil and the timing causes the stall.


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    9. 08-27-2019 07:09 PM #107
      I spoke with my service advisor today. He said that VW thinks they understand what's going on. As EPilot suggested, they think the variable valve timing isn't working right with the lighter weight oil and VW is pursuing a software fix to handle the issue. VW thinks the car is safe to drive with the slightly heavier weight oil in it and as such, they're going to give me the car back to drive while we all wait for a software update for the ECU.

      I'd guess this supposed software fix is going to take months.

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      08-27-2019 08:03 PM #108
      Quote Originally Posted by QuadVW View Post
      I spoke with my service advisor today. He said that VW thinks they understand what's going on. As EPilot suggested, they think the variable valve timing isn't working right with the lighter weight oil and VW is pursuing a software fix to handle the issue. VW thinks the car is safe to drive with the slightly heavier weight oil in it and as such, they're going to give me the car back to drive while we all wait for a software update for the ECU.

      I'd guess this supposed software fix is going to take months.

      So yours will be one of the first cars with the issue being returned from VW as "safe to drive with heavier oil". I hope it proves successful and you remain safe.

      What will be interesting is if VW is forced to specify only the heavier-weight oil. If their testing and EPA certification was with the lighter oil, will they be forced to have the fuel mileage figures re-certified I wonder?

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      08-28-2019 01:10 AM #109
      Quote Originally Posted by CorneringFool View Post
      So yours will be one of the first cars with the issue being returned from VW as "safe to drive with heavier oil". I hope it proves successful and you remain safe.

      What will be interesting is if VW is forced to specify only the heavier-weight oil. If their testing and EPA certification was with the lighter oil, will they be forced to have the fuel mileage figures re-certified I wonder?
      Ha, along with the problems of an unreliable engine that could cause serious injury or death, VW is definitely going to have the GTI re-certified by EPA if the factory fill and dealer refill is going to be a higher viscosity oil. How well did the VW engineers research the effects of specifying and doing EPA testing with lower viscosity oil...... obviously not well enough. This stalling issue with the GTI is a very serious problem. Sounds like a national recall should be done like the one currently for the defective switch in the auto transmission gear selector.

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      08-28-2019 09:08 AM #110
      Quote Originally Posted by QuadVW View Post
      I spoke with my service advisor today. He said that VW thinks they understand what's going on. As EPilot suggested, they think the variable valve timing isn't working right with the lighter weight oil and VW is pursuing a software fix to handle the issue. VW thinks the car is safe to drive with the slightly heavier weight oil in it and as such, they're going to give me the car back to drive while we all wait for a software update for the ECU.

      I'd guess this supposed software fix is going to take months.
      I'm wondering if there's some hidden valve train damage from the "hang" from the lower oil pressure from the lighter oil?
      Not sure what software fix they could implement with a hardware issue from low oil viscosity. Seems odd to even bring that up.
      Or will they change the valve change over earlier through software to account for the abrupt oil pressure drop from cruise to idle.
      If that's the case will the power characteristic change.

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      08-28-2019 09:13 AM #111
      I have a 2019 Rabbit DSG with about 600 miles on the clock with no reported stalling issues. Built date November 2018.

      Delivery tank of fuel was 93 octane (340 miles on the clock) and using 93 on my first fuel up.

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    14. 08-28-2019 09:23 AM #112
      Quote Originally Posted by QuadVW View Post
      I spoke with my service advisor today. He said that VW thinks they understand what's going on. As EPilot suggested, they think the variable valve timing isn't working right with the lighter weight oil and VW is pursuing a software fix to handle the issue. VW thinks the car is safe to drive with the slightly heavier weight oil in it and as such, they're going to give me the car back to drive while we all wait for a software update for the ECU.

      I'd guess this supposed software fix is going to take months.
      Did they revert your oil back to the spec used in previous years? 502.00 5w30? I shared my stall log with the dealership, along with my experience in using three different grades of fuel - Dealer delivered tank was 87 octane and had frequent stalling, second tank was 93 octane and did not have any stalls at all, third (current tank) is 91 octane and have frequent stalls again. I have been keeping a log as follows:

      August 13, 2019
      Taken to dealership for diagnostic scan and case opened with VW.
      August 14, 2019
      No stalls
      August 15, 2019
      371kms 106C 24C 3:21pm
      372kms 107C 23.5C 3:25pm
      386kms 106C 18.0C 3:47pm
      Refueled with 93 Octane - full tank.
      August 16, 2019
      No stalls
      August 17, 2019
      No stalls
      August 18, 2019
      No stalls
      August 19, 2019
      No stalls
      August 20, 2019
      No stalls
      August 21, 2019
      No stalls
      August 22, 2019
      No stalls
      August 23, 2019
      Refueled with 91 Octane - full tank
      851kms 104C 21.5C 5:16pm
      853kms 105C 19.5C 5:21pm
      August 24, 2019
      891kms 106C 22.5C 4:46pm
      901kms 105C 23.0C 4:54pm
      906kms 106C 23.0C 4:59pm
      909kms 105C 23.0C 5:04pm
      913kms 107C 23.0C 5:09pm
      961kms 104C 20.5C 7:35pm
      August 25,2019
      No stalls
      August 26, 2019
      1009kms 103C 16.5C 6:50am
      1012kms 105C 16.5C 6:53am
      1015kms 106C 16.5C 6:57am
      1017kms 107C 16.5C 7:01am
      1021kms 106C 16.5C 7:03am
      1022kms 107C 16.5C 7:04am
      1025kms 107C 17.0C 7:08am
      1033kms 106C 26.0C 3:27pm
      1034kms 107C 26.0C 3:29pm
      1036kms 109C 26.0C 3:33pm
      1040kms 109C 25.0C 3:39pm
      1047kms 109C 25.5C 3:45pm
      1048kms 108C 25.5C 3:47pm
      1060kms 106C 24.0C 4:10pm
      1063kms 107C 24.5C 4:20pm
      1064kms 109C 24.0C 4:22pm
      August 27, 2019
      1080kms 105C 17.0C 6:44am
      1086kms 104C 17.5C 6:51am
      1092kms 105C 18.0C 6:57am
      1094kms 105C 18.0C 7:01am
      1097kms 105C 18.0C 7:05am
      1101kms 108C 17.5C 7:12am
      1109kms 106C 21.0C 3:21pm
      1111kms 107C 21.0C 3:24pm
      1112kms 108C 21.5C 3:27pm
      1114kms 109C 20.5C 3:32pm
      1116kms 109C 20.5C 3:36pm
      1124kms 107C 20.0C 3:43pm
      1126kms 108C 20.0C 3:46pm
      1136kms 106C 19.5C 4:02pm
      1136kms 107C 19.5C 4:03pm
      August 28, 2019
      1160kms 104C 18.5C 6:44am
      1164kms 106C 19.0C 6:50am
      1165kms 105C 18.5C 6:52am
      1166kms 106C 19.0C 6:54am
      1169kms 106C 19.0C 6:59am
      1170kms 106C 19.0C 7:01am
      1171kms 107C 19.0C 7:03am

      Given that I can reliably recreate the issue, the Service Manager at my dealership want me to swing by this Thursday and take a tech out with diagnostic PC connected to recreate the stalling while measuring engine parameters, he said they are specifically interested in the intake cam angles, which support this....

    15. 08-28-2019 08:36 PM #113
      I verified the oil in my car with my service advisor today when picking up the car. The factory fill is 0W20 (VW spec 508.00 IIRC). What is in it now is the 2018 oil, which is a 5w30 (VW spec 502.00 I think).

      A random site I found when searching today suggests the VW508 oil is good for 4% mileage improvement over the VW502 oil. (https://www.championlubes.com/EN_EU/...-the-rest.aspx)

      I found a few references that suggested you can't put the new oil in old engines but nothing that stated you shouldn't put the old oil in new engines.

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      08-28-2019 10:33 PM #114
      Question...

      Does any 2019 MT owner NOT have this problem? Or is it affecting every single copy that rolls off the line? Any guesses what the failure rate is?

    17. 08-29-2019 07:51 AM #115
      Quote Originally Posted by mediumbluemetalic View Post
      Question...

      Does any 2019 MT owner NOT have this problem? Or is it affecting every single copy that rolls off the line? Any guesses what the failure rate is?
      Tough to say as they aren't all sold - there will be some still sitting at dealer lots across North America. I know for sure it does not affect all 2019's as I have been in contact with another local owner who picked his GTI up the same day I did, and he has had zero issues with double the mileage I have put on. I would guess it's north of 25% thought in the MT.

    18. 08-30-2019 06:26 AM #116
      Quote Originally Posted by QuadVW View Post
      . . . A random site I found when searching today suggests the VW508 oil is good for 4% mileage improvement over the VW502 oil. (https://www.championlubes.com/EN_EU/...-the-rest.aspx)

      I found a few references that suggested you can't put the new oil in old engines but nothing that stated you shouldn't put the old oil in new engines.
      A 4% improvement in fuel economy by changing to a 0W-20 motor oil? Not possible. Manufacturers would kill for a 4% improvement in fuel economy even with a host of mechanical changes and electronic emissions improvements. It's possible that Champion or one of their suppliers ran some limited rpm tests on a dyno and decided Voila!, we saw a 4% improvement in fuel economy with our secret sauce, but it's much more likely that 4% sounded like a number the truly gullible and unknowing might accept as accurate. (Oil alone might net a 0.4% improvement in FE, but even that's a stretch.)

      VW obviously went to 0W-20 weight oil in an attempt to get an improvement in fuel economy fleetwide because there are vast financial incentives for doing so. But without concomitant mechanical changes (in gearing or engine-compression ratios, for example) simply changing to a lighter weight oil isn't going to a net a 4% change in fuel consumption. Just not possible.

      A footnote to this discussion: Having summited engine performance data to the EPA to obtain specific emissions and fuel consumption certifications, there's no way in hell VoA can now authorize their dealers to change the engine oil specification. That would require repeating the certification process, which would cost VW a bloody fortune. That's not going to happen, so obviously VoA is now trying to come up with a workaround that's not going to get them cross-threaded with the EPA. They've been down that path.

      Me, I'd run a 0W-40 weight oil (Castrol or M1) -- i.e., what VoA specified in 2018 -- and never look back.
      Last edited by RennWerks; 08-30-2019 at 06:29 AM.

    19. 08-30-2019 03:38 PM #117
      My 2018 got better gas mileage than my 2019, so there's that.

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    20. 08-30-2019 06:48 PM #118
      I have 2019 GTI Rabbit DSG picked up in Feb. I have witness a single stall while at the red light on the way to work. The car engine just shut off (note: I always drive with auto/shut off disabled). Thank you for mentioning about "Transport mode". I will have to check on that. Otherwise at nearly 5000 miles on odm it drives great.

    21. 09-01-2019 06:55 PM #119
      Mine is an 18 and dealer is using 5w40 I think it actually gets pretty good mileage. Ive seen upper 30s on the highway. They should have left that alone imo.


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    22. 09-08-2019 02:39 PM #120
      From my efforts with a petition for defect investigation to the NHTSA the first stages of an investigation were opened yesterday: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/201...19003-5390.PDF

    23. 09-16-2019 04:56 PM #121
      Recently purchased a 2019 GTI S with manual transmission. Started with the stall issue the weekend I took delivery, and it's been back at the dealer ever since.

      I've been in contact with VW NA and I believe they'll be offering a buyback on the car, since they can't seem to figure out what the hell's been causing my (or anyone else's) stalling issue. Which is clearly enough of an issue that a petition for recall has been accepted by the NTSB.

      So the dilemma is this: roll the dice on a 2019 DSG? Abandon VW/GTI ship (and possibly look at a WRX or something else)? Or wait for the 2020s and see if a fix is forthcoming?

      Between the stall issue in the 6MT; various complaints I've read about unresolved suspension clunks; wheel bearing issues; and a few complaints about rough running/potential stalling in the DSG cars, I'm asking myself: "are you out of your frigging mind to even consider taking another crack at a 2019 GTI"?

      Is this model year cursed? Does one have to accept routine dealer visits as part of the (modern?) VW experience?

      FWIW I've owned BMWs, Audis, and Toyotas and I've never had or seen issues like this, or witnessed a community with this many issues in brand new cars. Obviously I love the GTIjust starting to feel like it's an unhealthy and unwise affection!
      Last edited by BlueGil2; 09-16-2019 at 04:59 PM.

    24. 09-16-2019 07:33 PM #122
      Joined just to say I bought a 2019 gti s 3 days ago. It stalls on me constantly. It has happened over 20 times in just the last few days. Volkswagen has it now and Volkswagen North America has a case open on it. They told me that they “reset” some stuff on it as was advised by the regional Volkswagen guy.

      They said it seems to be fixed but didn’t want to give it back until they drive it more. Their shop manager has taken it home with him for the night. Yeah great, that’s what I want, some random dude daily driving my brand new car with 200 miles on it.

    25. 09-16-2019 09:28 PM #123
      Recently purchased a 2019 GTI S with manual transmission. Started with the stall issue the weekend I took delivery, and it's been back at the dealer ever since.

      I've been in contact with VW NA and I believe they'll be offering a buyback on the car, since they can't seem to figure out what the hell's been causing my (or anyone else's) stalling issue. Which is clearly enough of an issue that a petition for recall has been accepted by the NTSB.

      So the dilemma is this: roll the dice on a 2019 DSG? Abandon VW/GTI ship (and possibly look at a WRX or something else)? Or wait for the 2020s and see if a fix is forthcoming?

      Between the stall issue in the 6MT; various complaints I've read about unresolved suspension clunks; wheel bearing issues; bad body weld issues; and a few complaints about rough running/potential stalling in the DSG cars...I'm asking myself: "are you out of your frigging mind to even consider taking another crack at a 2019 GTI"?

      Is this model year cursed? Does one have to accept routine dealer visits as part of the (modern?) VW experience?

      FWIW I've owned BMWs, Audis, and Toyotas and I've never had or seen issues like this, or witnessed a community with this many issues in brand new cars. Obviously I love the GTIjust starting to feel like it's an unhealthy and unwise affection

    26. 09-16-2019 09:54 PM #124
      Go with the DSG, the other stuff you mentioned isn't really a thing on the newer models. Sunroof rattles probably, but the rest of it has been pretty well sorted.

      That petition is mine and as much as anyone I've looked around for alternatives. There just aren't a lot of good options I want to move to, and my next move will probably be going up in class eventually.

    27. 09-16-2019 10:19 PM #125
      They're not cursed, mine works great. Keep in mind, if someone has an issue and they're on the forum, they're going to post about it. There are thousands who have cars that work perfectly.
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