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      05-03-2019 01:19 PM #2
      Great article, Chris. I'm excited to drive one of these as soon as it hits my dealer lot. I may cry a little because my '13 CC was my favorite car ever and I always thought this would be my next car. Circumstances didn't allow that and as much as I love my new Jetta, I really miss the "what is that car" looks and questions. Ironically, I'll probably never hear the (then infuriating) "is that your Jetta?" questions now that I'm actually driving a Jetta.....

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      05-03-2019 01:41 PM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by dubonaire_B4 View Post
      Great article, Chris. I'm excited to drive one of these as soon as it hits my dealer lot. I may cry a little because my '13 CC was my favorite car ever and I always thought this would be my next car. Circumstances didn't allow that and as much as I love my new Jetta, I really miss the "what is that car" looks and questions. Ironically, I'll probably never hear the (then infuriating) "is that your Jetta?" questions now that I'm actually driving a Jetta.....
      Thanks! I hate to tell you, but if you like the Arteon in photos, you'll like more in person. I tried my best to capture the more subtle design elements; the rear shoulder bulges are more prominent in-the-metal than they show in pics. The metallic paints show the form of the car incredibly well. And the extra body-colored section at the top of the front fascia makes the whole front of the car look very low and aggressive. People are going to notice this car. VW has low sales expectations for the model, but if people take notice of it, it could be a hit. There is a chance they could steal sales away from other competitors just because the car looks so damn good.

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      05-03-2019 03:52 PM #4
      great write up!
      your article alone damn near sold the car for me hahaha

      now if only the damn things would arrive at dealers for crying out loud.
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      05-03-2019 03:58 PM #5
      This weekend I'll type up some add'l thoughts and observations I couldn't fit in the article.

      Side note: re-reading it I'm seeing some typos/grammar that I'll need to correct. I wrote this on VERY little sleep (redeye back from CA).

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      05-03-2019 04:19 PM #6
      That was a really well-balanced article, thank you. I appreciate your willingness to note the parts that left you unimpressed.
      One thing I wish I had asked before you went out there: what can you fit in that trunk?! When I tell clients how big the trunk is on the Arteon, they rarely believe it. Also, it's hard to visualize what 15, 20, 25, or 27 cubic feet looks like for an average Joe (or even me).

      If there are any photos of these things with junk in the trunk that you're able to release, please do so.

      Cheers for the good write-up and photos.

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      05-04-2019 02:33 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by Lucile View Post
      That was a really well-balanced article, thank you. I appreciate your willingness to note the parts that left you unimpressed.
      One thing I wish I had asked before you went out there: what can you fit in that trunk?! When I tell clients how big the trunk is on the Arteon, they rarely believe it. Also, it's hard to visualize what 15, 20, 25, or 27 cubic feet looks like for an average Joe (or even me).

      If there are any photos of these things with junk in the trunk that you're able to release, please do so.

      Cheers for the good write-up and photos.
      Thanks Lucile! I did get some shots of the trunk, but they don't illustrate the volume well. The trunk is LARGE and deep. I'm not a golfer, but it almost looks like you could fit a golf bag length-wise. I'll poke through my photos to see if there's a decent photo. One thing to put into perspective: the current Passat has a 15.9 cu ft trunk; the longer wheelbase and longer length Arteon has 27 cu ft of space. It's easily 6" deeper or more, and it's a little wider.

      For your customers: the Arteon is sized between the Audi A5 Sportback and the Audi A7. Interestingly, the A7 trunk is 24 cu ft of space; smaller than the Arteon (I'm guessing the trunk lid is lower as the Arteon rear end is higher than the more aggressively-sloped A7). Hope this helps.

      Found this photo (not mine). Notice how much stuff is in there and it doesn't even touch the seat backs.

    10. 05-04-2019 03:04 PM #8
      I realize the article has space restrictions but you don't say anything about the various driver assist features in the car. How do they compare with your GTI?

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      05-04-2019 07:06 PM #9
      Great article. Very well laid out.


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    12. 05-05-2019 06:06 PM #10
      Would it be fair to say that the Arteon coming to the US is a more or less split-the-difference version of the Euro spec Passat wagon and sedan?

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      05-05-2019 09:52 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by uhrgenau View Post
      I realize the article has space restrictions but you don't say anything about the various driver assist features in the car. How do they compare with your GTI?
      So there are quite a few safety systems in the car. They're easily researchable on vw.com, so I didn't want to "waste" space; this was about how the car drove and looked in person. I will say we didn't get to mess around with the stuff very much. A little less than 2 hours behind the wheel goes by very fast, especially when 1 hour was in the mountains outside of Santa Barbara - you didn't dare take your hands off the wheel or eyes off the road.

      My GTI is a 2015 SE so there's not really any of the modern safety bits on it, so I can't compare. We did notice the blind spot alert on the R-Line, but did not notice it on the SE (although it was supposed to have it on this model). We (Motor Trend's Tony Gale and I were paired up for the drives) can't say it *wasn't* working on the SE, we just never noticed it. We did play around with the Active Cruise Control and Lane Keep Assist. ACC worked well and unobtrusively, but the LKA was a bit fritzy, even on the well-paved SoCal streets.

      Sorry I'm not much help with this stuff; I was too busy driving.

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      05-05-2019 10:07 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by bkpassat View Post
      Would it be fair to say that the Arteon coming to the US is a more or less split-the-difference version of the Euro spec Passat wagon and sedan?
      You know, that's an interesting way to look at it. The US Passat and Arteon are about the same length, which is longer than the Euro Passat (IIRC). But the Arteon has more trunk space than the US Passat, so it's about as close to a Passat wagon as we're gonna get. And the dash is straight out of the Euro Passat.

      Building on this a little: sedans are dying as people move to CUVs/SUVs. There are some wagon lovers, but even these folks are moving to CUVs/SUVs since they drive quite nicely now and since there are less wagons to choose from. Perhaps these coupe-like sedans could win over wagon people, while also attracting people who hate wagons, but want a more practical car? Does that make sense?

    15. 05-06-2019 12:17 AM #13
      "We did play around with the Active Cruise Control and Lane Keep Assist. ACC worked well and unobtrusively, but the LKA was a bit fritzy, even on the well-paved SoCal streets."

      I've driven those roads in the mountains behind Santa Barbara and yes, hands on the wheel, eyes on the road are called for. Please elaborate on "fritzy". I haven't heard that term used before. LOL.

      I have LKA on my 2018 Golf R and was curious whether the software has gotten any better on the Arteon.

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      05-06-2019 08:33 AM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by uhrgenau View Post
      "We did play around with the Active Cruise Control and Lane Keep Assist. ACC worked well and unobtrusively, but the LKA was a bit fritzy, even on the well-paved SoCal streets."

      I've driven those roads in the mountains behind Santa Barbara and yes, hands on the wheel, eyes on the road are called for. Please elaborate on "fritzy". I haven't heard that term used before. LOL.

      I have LKA on my 2018 Golf R and was curious whether the software has gotten any better on the Arteon.
      Fritzy: not consistent.

      Between Ojai and "downtown" Santa Barbara on the freeway (the 101?) sometimes it would stay in its lane, and sometimes it wouldn't. Road conditions and lane markings seemed to stay the same, so it didn't make much sense.

    17. 05-09-2019 10:56 AM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by silverspeedbuggy View Post
      In your article you said the car has 8 airbags. On the US site it says it has 6 airbags. We don't get the optional rear seat side airbags in the US. Does it have knee airbags or something? Where are the other 2?
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    18. 05-13-2019 10:29 AM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by ice4life View Post
      In your article you said the car has 8 airbags. On the US site it says it has 6 airbags. We don't get the optional rear seat side airbags in the US. Does it have knee airbags or something? Where are the other 2?
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      05-13-2019 10:37 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by ice4life View Post
      In your article you said the car has 8 airbags. On the US site it says it has 6 airbags. We don't get the optional rear seat side airbags in the US. Does it have knee airbags or something? Where are the other 2?
      Quote Originally Posted by ice4life View Post
      Anyone have an answer for this?
      I have a handout from the drive at home that may have the details on this. I'll look at it tonight when I'm home. I'm 99% sure the product specialist said 8 airbags, but perhaps he was thinking of the Euro version.

    20. 05-13-2019 11:27 AM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by silverspeedbuggy View Post
      I have a handout from the drive at home that may have the details on this. I'll look at it tonight when I'm home. I'm 99% sure the product specialist said 8 airbags, but perhaps he was thinking of the Euro version.
      Cool- looking forward to a definitive answer either way. I'm not ruling out undocumented knee airbags!
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      05-13-2019 03:19 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by ice4life View Post
      Anyone have an answer for this?
      This mis-conception has been told for years. The mis-conseption is the side curtain airbag is broken into two separate pieces, one for the front and one for the rear. It is in fact one continuous airbag covering the entire side windows and B Pillar. One of of the few occasions we could claim eight airbags is when we had the rear seat airbags many years ago.
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    22. 05-13-2019 04:43 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by OZ.IN.USA View Post
      This mis-conception has been told for years. The mis-conseption is the side curtain airbag is broken into two separate pieces, one for the front and one for the rear. It is in fact one continuous airbag covering the entire side windows and B Pillar. One of of the few occasions we could claim eight airbags is when we had the rear seat airbags many years ago.
      More likely is that they were thinking of the EU version which does indeed offer seat mounted rear side airbags as an option still. I doubt there was any confusion around the curtain being one piece.
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      05-13-2019 10:32 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by ice4life View Post
      In your article you said the car has 8 airbags. On the US site it says it has 6 airbags. We don't get the optional rear seat side airbags in the US. Does it have knee airbags or something? Where are the other 2?
      Confirmed: EIGHT airbags

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      You only confirmed it was printed on a paper by VW media.

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    25. 05-14-2019 10:14 AM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by silverspeedbuggy View Post
      Confirmed: EIGHT airbags
      Thanks as I suspected it has the knee airbags like the EU version. Although VW us does not list them so we will see when it comes in if it says airbag down there!
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    26. Today 09:55 AM #24
      So for those who have taken a test drive, what does it feel like driving an Arteon ? And what car would you compare it to ?

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      Test drove yesterday - pretty much the model I'd be looking to buy, but not the right color or rims. I drove the SEL premium R-Line, white with 19" rims. Solid car - definitely feels larger in person than it initially looks from a distance - compared to my Allroad, it's got a surprisingly larger rear trunk space with seats up, and the back seat is definitely a good bit roomier.

      Engine has pretty nice pick-up off the line - much less hesitation/lag than the previous 2.0T engines in 200 and 220 guise I've driven, and slightly less than my Allroad. Power overall didn't feel too different, but then I wasn't trying to redline a brand new car. Feel on the road was very solid and heavy - which I like about most German cars. Front seat was plenty roomy for me.

      Didn't get a chance to learn how to control all the tech - I just played with the steering wheel buttons and touch screen for a bit to see what happened - so I never got into the suspension settings and such. I like the around-view backup mode - the split screen that can show both the rear camera and the surround view together is a nice mode. Dynaudio sounded very nice - comparable to my Bang & Olufsen in my Allroad. Touch screen was very responsive - no noticeable lag going between screens or swiping modes.

      I put own a deposit so I could order one - don't think one the way I want is going to be on a dealer lot anytime soon. The Kurkuma yellow won't be a common stock order, and the 20" black rims are late arrival, so I placed an order for an SEL Premium R-line like that...knowing it could take months, I figured best to get started now, and if one ends up being found before then, great. My Allroad's still warrantied until October, when it will be 4 years old and ready to trade in. Only downside is I'll need to do one more service on the Allroad, and maybe tires before the trade...oh well. Then I'll have to see what kind of deal I can work on the Arteon when it finally gets here in my color and equipment level.
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