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    Thread: 2019 GLI 35 6MT engine stalling when stopping.

    1. 05-05-2019 06:15 PM #1
      After driving the car for 30 or so minutes my new GLI will intermittently stall when coming to a stop, I have driven a manual transmission for 28 years so its not user error. This happens when the clutch is to the floor and in gear and sometimes with the clutch out and in neutral. It is a very gentle stall - nothing like the lurching that occurs during a typical stall, in fact there have been times when I didn't notice the engine died. In the first trip to the dealer (a week after purchase) they advised there were no codes and they could not reproduce the issue (surprise). They said it was bad gas - which would be unfortunate since I was still on the tank they filled from the purchase. It started happening again yesterday so I am heading back to the dealer again tomorrow. When I called the dealer service dept. yesterday they advised it this was normal stop/start behavior, I argued that the manual GLI does not have the stop/start feature to no avail. This does not instill confidence in the service tech. I am also reporting to the NHSTA when their site is working again.

      I have seen others in the GTI subs/forums with the same issue:

      https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...issue-to-NHTSA

      https://www.reddit.com/r/GolfGTI/com...ng_one_dealer/

      https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?p=776852

      I haven't found any other GLI threads with this issue so I am hoping maybe this helps since the GTI and GLI share engines/powertrains.

      Are there any other 2019 GLI owners out there that have experienced this?

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      05-05-2019 06:39 PM #2
      Hello Reddit friend. Hopefully more people see this here. Concerning issue for sure. Hopefully enough reports get to VW that they can deliver an official fix/recall.

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      05-05-2019 08:33 PM #3
      Sounds like stop start is somehow enabled. See if when you come to a stop in gear if it turns off. If you put it in first after it stalls and go to release the clutch will it start back up?

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    6. 05-05-2019 08:43 PM #4
      I took a test drive in a 35th gli 6mt last week and the engine stalled exactly as you described. I was just confused, because i had the clutch pushed to the floor and the car in neutral; as soon as we came to a complete stop at a red light the engine just comely dropped from idle to off like it has start stop. Had to push the start button to restart the engine. I decided I'm going to wait it out for the 2020 model hoping the autobahn comes with DCC and a cold weather package option.

    7. 05-05-2019 10:45 PM #5
      So there is definitely an issue. Possibly the fuel pump? Maybe some ****ty gas they put in it from Mexico? Had the same issue around 150-250km. Just stalled on me at several stop signs and lights.

      Pushing on 2500 kms and it hasn't happened since.

      Talked to the mechanics at the dealer, same thing happened on another GLI, but it had DSG. But once you 'break' them in, gettimg over 300-400kms it should be fine.

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      05-06-2019 02:44 AM #6
      This sounds identical to the 2019 GTI issue. Wonder if it’s related, since the transmission and engine are identical. Here’s a link to the GTI issues. Good luck to you on figuring this out. https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51247
      Last edited by KJ Picayune; 05-06-2019 at 02:46 AM.

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      05-06-2019 09:45 AM #7
      https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showt...=51247&page=19

      Post 323 from this thread:

      “I've had my 2019 GTI 6MT SE (1300 miles) in the shop for almost two weeks due to this issue of stalling when coming to a stop. The dealership/shop has been able to reproduce the issue and has had their lead mechanic and an engineer from VW look at and log the car. Here is what they have found out so far:

      "We had the field engineer out here on thursday to look at it. There is another car at another dealer with the same symptom. It is only on manual 2019 gti's. He gathered some information and is working with the VW engineers to come up with a fix. The problem they believe is happening has to do with variable valve timing and when coasting to a stop it advances the intake cam timing to max and stalls the car. They believe they have identified the problem but have not figured out quite how to fix it yet. There may be an updated part for the cam adjuster, but I haven't heard yet. It works of of oil pressure and the new emissions requirements call for a 0w20 weight oil. They believe that is the factor that is causing the cam adjuster to intermittently fail."

      I'll continue to keep y'all updated
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      Are they saying 0W-30 or even 0W-40 oil would be a fix?

    10. 05-08-2019 09:49 PM #8
      I just got my GLI back from the shop, they were unable to replicate the issue but did call VWoA and were advised that this is a known issue and to do the camshaft adjuster replacement. I drove it 30 miles home without issues, will post back if things change.

    11. 05-14-2019 09:13 PM #9
      Less than a week later the stall issue is back after the cam adjustment. Car is going back to the dealer on Monday, this will be the third attempt at fixing it and I will be pursuing the leman law process.

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      05-26-2019 12:55 AM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by FloridaGLI View Post
      Less than a week later the stall issue is back after the cam adjustment. Car is going back to the dealer on Monday, this will be the third attempt at fixing it and I will be pursuing the leman law process.
      Any updates?

      I found coming to a stop in 2nd gear with clutch pedal to the floor reduces the frequency of this happening, but not entirely...

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      07-31-2019 02:59 PM #11
      I am curious as well, 200 miles on the clock and my Autobahn has been doing this also.

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      07-31-2019 03:33 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by Spinpsycle_tv225 View Post
      I am curious as well, 200 miles on the clock and my Autobahn has been doing this also.
      Over 2K miles on my Autobahn, it stopped doing it somewhere between 500 and 1K miles. Not a great way to start a new car relationship...

    15. 07-31-2019 07:14 PM #13
      I completed the lemon buyback with vwoa - I liked the car just couldn’t justify the safety issue and constant anticipation of it happening.

    16. 08-02-2019 05:44 AM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by 6MTGLI View Post
      https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showt...=51247&page=19
      . . . Are they saying 0W-30 or even 0W-40 oil would be a fix?
      That may be an option for someone who owns one, but it's not an option for the VoA. The emissions-control regulations mandate the manufacture specify owners use the weight oil the manufacturer used when the vehicle was certified for sale as emissions compliant. Thus, VoA must recommend 0W-20 weight oil, and given the multi-billion dollar emission fiasco that VW AG is still in the midst of, there's zero possibility that owners are going to be advised of a potential "work-around."

      Me, I wouldn't hesitate to use 0W-40 weight oil.

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      08-02-2019 02:40 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by ren_G18t View Post
      Over 2K miles on my Autobahn, it stopped doing it somewhere between 500 and 1K miles. Not a great way to start a new car relationship...
      The same here for me. It stalled a few times between 200-300 miles but now with 3200 miles I haven't had any issues.

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      08-05-2019 11:08 PM #16
      Here's a question... are ANY 6MT GLIs driving correctly, or is nearly everyone having intermittent stalls?

      I was pretty darn close to ordering one, but this has me scared. 1. No adaptive cruise or Nav (in the US). 2. Hill-hold is jacked up compared to Mk6, apparently. 3. The car will stall out for the first 6,000 miles with no known fix and no assurance that the problem won't come back at the next oil change or at some other point down the road

      Maybe I should wait for 2020? 2022? Mk8, anyone?

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      08-06-2019 11:59 AM #17
      It would be hilarious if VW left start/stop on in the manuals.
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      08-06-2019 01:22 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by mediumbluemetalic View Post
      Here's a question... are ANY 6MT GLIs driving correctly, or is nearly everyone having intermittent stalls?...
      I have 1700 miles on my GLI autobahn and no stalls that weren't clearly my own fault (e.g. the clutch at least partially off the floor and I supplied insufficient throttle to keep the engine going). I've always had a light foot on the throttle when launching, so none of these surprised me and I attributed it strictly to my getting used to a different clutch feel than my last car.

      It certainly has never been the case that the car has stalled just because I pushed in the clutch and the RPM's dropped back to the idle position, nor has the car ever stalled when I had the clutch pedal fully pressed.

    21. 08-10-2019 07:16 PM #19
      I too bought a VW Jetta GLI 35th anniversary edition 2 weeks ago. I’ve driven the car less than 300 miles and its stalled 5 times (2 different occasions) while the clutch is depressed and the car is either in neutral or in gear, without stepping on the gas pedal. I learned to drive on a stick car, so it’s not an error on my part. Also, when you press the clutch in while in neutral, the RPMs spike to over 1000 without pressing on the gas. The first time it went back to the dealer, 6 days after taking ownership of the car, they returned the car with the ecm adapation values reset, reset the tbody adaptation and the obd. The vehicle was returned to the dealer for the 2nd time for these issues. Anyone else out there experiencing this? Open to feedback/recommendations.

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      08-10-2019 11:10 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by apinto13 View Post
      I too bought a VW Jetta GLI 35th anniversary edition 2 weeks ago. I’ve driven the car less than 300 miles and its stalled 5 times (2 different occasions) while the clutch is depressed and the car is either in neutral or in gear, without stepping on the gas pedal. I learned to drive on a stick car, so it’s not an error on my part. Also, when you press the clutch in while in neutral, the RPMs spike to over 1000 without pressing on the gas. The first time it went back to the dealer, 6 days after taking ownership of the car, they returned the car with the ecm adapation values reset, reset the tbody adaptation and the obd. The vehicle was returned to the dealer for the 2nd time for these issues. Anyone else out there experiencing this? Open to feedback/recommendations.
      From personal experience and others, the issue appears to go away after 1K.

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      08-28-2019 11:52 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by ren_G18t View Post
      From personal experience and others, the issue appears to go away after 1K.
      Very scary question here...

      People are reporting that the issue has something to do with the viscosity of the 2019 spec oil interrupting the variable valve timing. If the problem goes away after 1,000 miles, might it be that the oil has gotten a bit dirty and the viscosity has changed because of the debris?

      If that's so, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GET AN OIL CHANGE? Do you have this problem for the first 1,000 miles after every oil change? I only put 4,000 miles a year on my car and change the oil once a year. Will I have this problem for 1/4 of the year, every year?

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      08-29-2019 01:28 AM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by mediumbluemetalic View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by ren_G18t View Post
      From personal experience and others, the issue appears to go away after 1K.
      Very scary question here...

      People are reporting that the issue has something to do with the viscosity of the 2019 spec oil interrupting the variable valve timing. If the problem goes away after 1,000 miles, might it be that the oil has gotten a bit dirty and the viscosity has changed because of the debris?

      If that's so, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GET AN OIL CHANGE? Do you have this problem for the first 1,000 miles after every oil change? <img src="https://www.vwvortex.com/Anthony/Smilies/facepalm.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Facepalm" class="inlineimg" /> I only put 4,000 miles a year on my car and change the oil once a year. Will I have this problem for 1/4 of the year, every year?
      4200 miles on my 35th GLI 6spd. I did not have the issue before my first oil change and still don't have the issue since (I changed it about 1200 miles). Still using 0w20, just not "vw approved" since they don't carry it near me.
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      08-29-2019 09:44 AM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by mediumbluemetalic View Post
      are ANY 6MT GLIs driving correctly, or is nearly everyone having intermittent stalls? I was pretty darn close to ordering one, but this has me scared.
      5,400 miles on mine and not one stall. Original oil too, if that matters. On that subject, the oil level is still on the full mark of the dip stick. The engine doesn't appear to have burnt (or blown-by) a drop of oil, and I do push this car hard regularly. But I also took great pain to properly break-in my engine at the beginning. So far I really like this car. My only gripes are that the seats are just OK and under aggressive driving turn-in (steering) feels a little light and inaccurate. My 2010 GTI steered better.

      But even Honda's have problems now too. 1.5T oil dilution problems, 10ATs that overheat and have harsh shifts, collision mitigation system gremlins, random check engine lights and stalls. At least with a 2019 GLI you get a 6 year/72,000 B2B warranty. Starting next year, that goes away.

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      08-29-2019 12:56 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by mediumbluemetalic View Post
      Here's a question... are ANY 6MT GLIs driving correctly, or is nearly everyone having intermittent stalls?
      I've got a 6MT Autobahn with about 2.5K miles, no stalls.

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      08-29-2019 02:00 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by mediumbluemetalic View Post
      Here's a question... are ANY 6MT GLIs driving correctly, or is nearly everyone having intermittent stalls?

      I was pretty darn close to ordering one, but this has me scared. 1. No adaptive cruise or Nav (in the US). 2. Hill-hold is jacked up compared to Mk6, apparently. 3. The car will stall out for the first 6,000 miles with no known fix and no assurance that the problem won't come back at the next oil change or at some other point down the road

      Maybe I should wait for 2020? 2022? Mk8, anyone?
      Wow I didn't realize there was no nav. That's crazy and makes the digital cockpit pointless considering it's schtick on the Jetta is the full map.

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