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      07-01-2020 02:26 PM #151
      Quote Originally Posted by 6cylVWguy View Post
      It's crazy that reading about a passenger vehicle, any passenger vehicle, with 600hp doesn't really excite me or seem like a big accomplishment. Having said that, I don't ever see a time where I'll have a car with over 500hp in my driveway. The difference between what's new and hot can be quite a bit different than what's realistic for most people to own. I find 400ish hp a pretty good place to be for a street or track-driven car, so the desire to own a 500+hp car is also fairly low.
      Yup. Don't get me wrong I would absolutely love a G30 M5, that car is incredible. But it seems like a pick your 600hp flavor commodity compared to it's competitors. I mean, E39 M5 barely claimed 400hp and by modern standards isn't even fast, but at the time it seemed absolutely bonkers.

      It's not that modern cars have gotten too good, but they sure did make it easy to take their performance for granted.

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      07-01-2020 02:50 PM #152
      Quote Originally Posted by ElixXxeR View Post
      As a former E90 M3 owner, the F80 and now the G80 just don't interest me in the slightest.
      Former E46 M3 owner here and totally agree. F30/F80 forward has been a complete flop to me.
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    4. 07-01-2020 08:59 PM #153
      Quote Originally Posted by Nealric View Post
      The spy pictures are actually encouraging that the 3 may be different, and they've made statements to the effect that the even number cars were to be more "distinctive." There's some hope yet that we can get an M3 that hasn't been beaten with a ugly stick.
      Hate to burst your bubble, but people who have seen the production cars have said they have the same front end. There are some older mules of the G80 that have a G20 front end under the disguise though.

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      07-01-2020 10:32 PM #154
      Quote Originally Posted by 6cylVWguy View Post
      I definitely agree with your first comment. I'm not sure if anyone actually cares about the driving experience any longer. I read reviews of cars and they spend little to no time discussing dynamics. It's hp, acceleration, mileage, and infotainment. I like hp and acceleration, but I also like the act of operating a vehicle where you can tell someone thought about the little things---things that's don't directly impact lap times, but do impact the driving experience. I do think we're going to come to a crossroad where acceleration will not be able to be improved upon for a given price, tech is what it is at a given time, and so companies will need to refocus on dynamics.

      I will definitely sign up for an M track day when the new m3/4 is available to drive. Hopefully they'll have both AWD and RWD versions available to take on the lead-follow laps.
      Something has changed that makes that kind of tactile engaged driving experience hard for people to get. Someone on TTAC said something that stuck with me:

      "NOBODY cares about BREMBO BRAKES when you're SITTING in TRAFFIC!!!"

      In that context, along with the heightened importance of clout and status, a point and shoot car with its ///MSRP on the back may be just what the doctor ordered. And to a degree the Germans have pigeonholed themselves into this mess. Instead of focusing on creating and enhancing an experience they have locked into mindless iteration.

      Driving my FIL's Mustang GT really put things in perspective for me. On one hand, it didn't thrill me the way I thought 460HP would. But on the other, it was still way too fast to dig into on the street. So I know that whatever I get next will probably be a lot slower with a focus on nailed details. A driver's car should be enjoyable all the time.... not just when the road straightens up and there are no cops or traffic. I really don't know what the end game is here.
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    6. 07-02-2020 11:15 AM #155
      Quote Originally Posted by ghost03 View Post
      Yup. Don't get me wrong I would absolutely love a G30 M5, that car is incredible. But it seems like a pick your 600hp flavor commodity compared to it's competitors. I mean, E39 M5 barely claimed 400hp and by modern standards isn't even fast, but at the time it seemed absolutely bonkers.

      It's not that modern cars have gotten too good, but they sure did make it easy to take their performance for granted.
      I think SoS described it the best- the G30 M5 is sterile. It's very, very fast, but it's not exciting at all. Very competent, relatively comfortable and quiet (unless you turn on the exhaust and then it backfires on overrun like crazy). At least the E39 was stick. I still like the E34 the best.

    7. 07-02-2020 12:23 PM #156
      German code name/positioning line for these M3/M4 when I worked in marketing for BMW was "Liquid Cocaine" I sh*t you not. Whatever Liquid Cocaine even means. Crazy Germans.

    8. 07-06-2020 11:27 PM #157
      Clearest shots yet (leaks notwithstandings). M3 definitely getting the bigass grilles
















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      07-06-2020 11:43 PM #158
      Not sure if the front end is designed after a chipmunk, or if someone photocopied their ass and taped it to the front of the prototype.
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      07-06-2020 11:54 PM #159
      I feel like the M3 wears that hideous grill a little better. It looks like I'm not going to like the overall shape of the M4 again too. The rear fender flares look pretty pathetic on both too.

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      07-06-2020 11:59 PM #160
      It’s hideous. Coming from an e90 series M3, I couldn’t care how much better it is dynamically, it’s a total nonstarter.

      Maybe an Alfa, or a c63, or a low mileage e90 m3 to replace mine, but not this abomination.

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      07-07-2020 09:48 AM #161
      I can't help but think we're at the e46 --> E9x transition again.

      The F series cars looked fine and were more evolutionary than revolution, but were unfortunately garbage dynamically and fit/finish wise.

      We cannot comment on dynamics right now obviously, but the designs coming out from BMW are very much revolutionary from the last design phase.

      The E9x era, hated at first, has aged extremely well and, at least in my opinion, greatly influenced the design of the rest of the market. I'm not saying it will happen this time around, but we've clearly been wrong before. Thoughts?


      Back to the spy shots, I agree with whomever said the M3 wears the pig snout better than the M4. These cars though, they're M5/6's from 10 years ago size/stat wise. It's getting silly.
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      07-07-2020 10:43 AM #162
      At least the wheels look sick.
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      07-07-2020 11:23 AM #163
      With North American sized front plate, it's going to look like Hitler's mustache.

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      07-07-2020 12:58 PM #164
      Oh well, I guess hideousness has been confirmed. Hopefully they fix it with an emergency facelift.

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      07-07-2020 01:07 PM #165
      I'd probably drive the new M3 if it was available with the camo wrap in the spy photos. Seems to distract a bit from how large and overly styled the front grill looks to be.

    17. 07-07-2020 01:10 PM #166
      Quote Originally Posted by downytide View Post
      With North American sized front plate, it's going to look like Hitler's mustache.
      Photochop to prove it.

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      07-07-2020 01:53 PM #167
      I never learned to use photoshop. MSPaint it is!



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      07-07-2020 02:22 PM #168
      Quote Originally Posted by Nealric View Post
      Oh well, I guess hideousness has been confirmed. Hopefully they fix it with an emergency facelift.
      Uhh this is the same company whose 7 series refresh involved increasing the kidneys.

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      07-07-2020 02:38 PM #169
      Quote Originally Posted by CostcoPizza View Post
      Uhh this is the same company whose 7 series refresh involved increasing the kidneys.
      Well yeah, they uglified the 7 series just like they doing so to the 3. But they could eventually reverse course like with the Bangle butt.

    21. 07-07-2020 09:47 PM #170
      Shots of the M3

















    22. 08-01-2020 01:54 PM #171
      Almost naked



      And the best renderings I've seen so far. I think this is like 99% what it will look like.


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      08-01-2020 02:04 PM #172
      Quote Originally Posted by TheCool View Post
      Almost naked
      [ig]https://bimmerpost.imgix.net/goodiesforyou/m/m3/g80/7-31-20/BMW%20M3%20less%20camo%2015.jpg[/img]
      [ig]https://bimmerpost.imgix.net/goodiesforyou/m/m3/g80/7-31-20/BMW%20M3%20less%20camo%2012.jpg[/img]
      And the best renderings I've seen so far. I think this is like 99% what it will look like.
      [ig]https://carsweek.ru/upload/resize_cache/iblock/9c8/1200_900_1/9c81945da1dadaf45a89dc0fc6f8afd3.jpg[/img]
      [ig]https://carsweek.ru/upload/medialibrary/6ca/6ca853f7cd83f4329efa0ec351cbc5e9.jpg[/img]



      It looks more like a weird m6

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      08-01-2020 03:02 PM #173
      I bet some aftermarket company could make decent money by releasing a front bumper kit for the new M3/4.

    25. 08-01-2020 03:15 PM #174
      melted soap looking rear reminiscent of the new 8 series

      The bland rear 3qtr view almost bugs me more than the huge grilles

      What will the bros do, the tailights are mostly blacked out form the factory

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      08-01-2020 04:10 PM #175
      Eh, I think it'll look fine. I like the new different vertical grille. M3 base 6MT could be a contender to replace the Golf R if its a decent package. I prefer hatches/wagons, but for the right sedan...

      I think this might be one of those "gotta see it in the flesh" types of cars.

      But man this new M3 is slooooow to market. Can't remember them taking a 3-4 model year hiatus before? Wasn't 2018 the last year of the F80's?
      Last edited by ZPayne; 08-01-2020 at 04:14 PM.

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