The Zupra is a good car. It's just not a Supra as one would think it'd be.
Doesn't even have a Toyota engine under the hood.
I guess you skipped this part of my post:
Obviously you don't like it. Which is fine.I don't believe for ONE second that if you test drive a new Supra, and you genuinely like it, that you'd walk right out of a Toyota dealer, and into a Nissan dealer to buy a new 370Z based on the fact that the 370Z is an in-house design, and the Supra is not.
I'm not going to argue with you about logical reasons and the whole shabang. Frankly I don't really care. The end product is what matters for most buyers, save a few wackos out there.
I like the idea that all existing BMW B58 tuning options are easily going to be available for the Supra. I also believe the ZF8HP is going to be key in taking the extra power and torque the aftermarket is going to produce.
I don't think the new Supra means anything to the car world. It's not revolutionary (no Supra ever was, and so few cars have ever really been). But it does seem to be shaping up to be a fine sports car, and one that's going to be tuner friendly.
Of all the off-the-shelf engines they could have chosen, including Toyota family engines, and disregarding the desire for it to be an I-6, I think the B58 is one the better choices out there. It's smooth, powerful, easily tuned, and produced on a relatively large scale, so parts are more readily available.
I think it's funny that some people can't comprehend (not that they need to agree with it) the idea of someone not liking a vehicle for reasons beyond how it drives. I wouldn't drive something ugly regardless of how well it drove, so I don't know why my dislike of the car because it's a BMW is any different. I would be completely happy if Toyota never offered this car for sale. It's just another auto-only BMW, but with (IMO) a pretty face.
Originally Posted by Boyz in da Park
I'd take a 370Z over the new Supra, as well.
Naturally aspirated six-cylinder engine, hydraulic steering, manual transmission, and (arguably) better looks for less money sure trump whatever the Supra is offering (and I'm not even really sure what the Supra is offering that couldn't be had elsewhere).
Used cars don't count. At all. Unless this is a "what should I buy for 'X' number of $" thread. It's simply a different measuring stick and one that manufacturers can do nothing about. If you're including used cars then suddenly this could compare to just about any car from any era, especially if you're including "bang for the buck" scenarios. Hell, I'd take a restored 240Z over either one if I don't need to daily it! If that is t analog enough how about a 1965 or later Corvair coupe?
Also, in my comparison of the Supea and Z I wasn't speaking of cost-of-entry, just hardware.
Originally Posted by Boyz in da Park
But if mustangs are your thing, for Launch Edition money, forget about a Mustang GT, you're a stones throw from a new GT350.
In real life, it's always what can I get for $XX---unless I'm 100% set on a very specific car. So for me, $50k is a good amount of coin, which means everything that I like at that price is in play. It's also a price point where some very interesting expensive cars (>$50k new) that are a few yrs old can be purchased. Other than the looks, the "Supra" just doesn't make a compelling case for itself, and this is especially true when one considers every single performance car that one could get for $50k.Unless this is a "what should I buy for 'X' number of $" thread. It's simply a different measuring stick and one that manufacturers can do nothing about. If you're including used cars then suddenly this could compare to just about any car from any era, especially if you're including "bang for the buck" scenarios. Hell, I'd take a restored 240Z over either one if I don't need to daily it! If that is t analog enough how about a 1965 or later Corvair coupe?
I really don't see any other way this car was supposed to come to fruition for Toyota. The $75-120K sportscar class is only second to pickup trucks right now in terms of competitiveness and progression IMO. Just a bad place to play especially against the Corvette and 911. The MkIV Supra was proof enough of that.
Bringing a $50-60K 2-seat RWD sportscar with great performance and throwback hallmarks just make sense. And having shared development costs, especially at time when Toyota's profit margins are already squeezed, really pays off here.
I really think people should be glad it exists at all.
Last edited by JustinCSVT; 05-14-2019 at 06:00 PM.