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      05-14-2019 10:17 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by ZPayne View Post
      Yeah. Changing metal body panels for a refresh is pretty crazy. I think this looks fantastic.

      It's not crazy for a model with an extended life cycle.
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      05-14-2019 10:28 PM #27
      Looks kinda cool to me.

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      05-14-2019 11:34 PM #29
      The rear looks like a Jetta which is not a good thing. The front is kinda boring. Be hard for even an RS4 to save that.

    6. 05-15-2019 04:35 AM #30
      B9 is a weird in-between generations product that just looks weak. Facelift did fix headlight and taillight tear design but then they removed MMI and put on a touchscreen. Who ever thinks raising your hand in air and hunting pixels is more appropriate than physical buttons and muscle memory lacks common sense. Mazda 3 new infotainment absolutely kills Range Rover Velar dual screen setup that acts like a tablet with way too complicated transitions, clutter of pixels you can actually interact with etc all while you have to look down while you drive.

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      05-15-2019 05:25 AM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by KevinC View Post
      That stupid fad needs to DIE like yesterday - put the infotainment screen back IN the dash where it belongs - or at worst, some hybrid situation like some BMW's where it's external to the dash, but on a lower "ledge" of sorts that keeps it from protruding like a nasty bunion.
      The pic shown above is a render from what appears to be shoulder height of an average person. The screen does seem to be on a lower ledge. Sitting in one will confirm the degree to which it's a nuissance, I guess.

      I like the design, I think the infotainment screen is a bit large in the vertical, but apart from that, it looks quite sleek. The fake (presumably) exhausts may take a hike though. All the rest helps to bring the A4 more in line with the new design language they've kicked off with the A6. A more rounded variant to the previous more angled offerings.
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      05-15-2019 06:53 AM #32
      Doesn't really move my which I suppose is exactly what the basic A4 is aimed to do. Doesn't offend, excite, or make it appear the driver is trying too hard. Perfectly adequate luxury appliance.

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      05-15-2019 07:19 AM #33
      Praise Gaia, they have not moved over to the "all touch everything" interior controls in the most expensive cars

      Still looks like a Jetta though

      A5 SB hybrid for me please.

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      05-15-2019 08:32 AM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by ZPayne View Post
      Yeah. Changing metal body panels for a refresh is pretty crazy. I think this looks fantastic.
      Quote Originally Posted by TangoRed View Post
      It's not crazy for a model with an extended life cycle.
      I was wondering if they pulled a "NMS Passat" on this one; substantially overhaul an existing platform to keep costs down. How long is this A4 supposed to remain in production?

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      05-15-2019 09:55 AM #35
      I wish the guys still talking about iPads and "tacked on" tablets in 2019 could give it a rest.

      High mounted infotainment screens with scroll wheels made the best sense until the availability and maturation of Apple Carplay/Android Auto, faster and better touchscreen tech for automobiles, and more advanced voice control options.

      The game is changing now with all of those things in play, and folks like Audi are transitioning back to touchscreens integrated lower into the dash, with voice control playing a larger part.

      When the Q7, B9 products, and even the Mercedes W205/GLC came out, Apple Carplay was unproven, voice controls weren't ready, and both companies went with an easy-to-see high mounted position, closer to the driver's eyes than the further set back screens used by other companies. Since the rest of the dash is basically unchanged, the B9.5 had to essentially keep the same position, though the screen is slightly closer to the driver now and larger.

      In the end, the more voice control the better IMO.

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      05-15-2019 10:15 AM #36
      God I hope they aren't moving to voice control

      Ever try to use voice control with a wailing toddler in the back seat?

      All these alternative inputs are good but humans still have hands with fingers for the most part.... physical controls are paramount

    13. 05-15-2019 10:21 AM #37
      I like the new blue. Honestly, I couldn't justify the premium between the S4 sedan and the RS5 sportback with the S4 offering so much.

      That said, the new M340i is likely the better car, and where I would put my money.

    14. 05-15-2019 10:25 AM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by Rob View Post
      The new M340i is likely the better car, and where I would put my money.
      The M340i is a very compelling car.

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      05-15-2019 10:45 AM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by silverspeedbuggy View Post
      I was wondering if they pulled a "NMS Passat" on this one; substantially overhaul an existing platform to keep costs down. How long is this A4 supposed to remain in production?
      The new one was penciled in originally for 2021, but this will likely stick around for a year or two longer. Not as long as the Passat but worth the investment. This is the last hurrah for the MLB platform before the A4 heads onto MQB.
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      05-15-2019 10:47 AM #40
      Whoa, MQB A4? So no more long nose or ZF8 in the S4? That's interesting, tell us more

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      05-15-2019 11:14 AM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by spockcat View Post
      Looks nice but if you posted the un-refreshed next to the refresh, without any captions, I'm not sure many people would even know the difference.
      I agree, which is confounding because it also appears to be a fairly heavy refresh. Looks like new hood, lights, front bumper, doors, and taillights. Not sure why they went to so much effort.

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      05-15-2019 11:16 AM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      Whoa, MQB A4? So no more long nose or ZF8 in the S4? That's interesting, tell us more
      https://www.autocar.co.uk/opinion/ne...orm-good-thing

      edit: Basically, modern improvements to AWD systems means that Audi no longer needs to put the engine ahead of the front axle to offer competitive and cost-effective AWD. In the 90s when they popularized Quattro, doing so was a means to an end. edit2: Oh, and I expect that while the A4 will become an A3 XL, the A6 will become a Panamera mini.
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      05-15-2019 11:20 AM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      Whoa, MQB A4? So no more long nose or ZF8 in the S4? That's interesting, tell us more
      Quote Originally Posted by ghost03 View Post
      https://www.autocar.co.uk/opinion/ne...orm-good-thing

      Basically, modern improvements to AWD systems means that Audi no longer needs to put the engine ahead of the front axle to offer competitive and cost-effective AWD. In the 90s when they popularized Quattro, doing so was a means to an end.
      Yeah, this isn't new news. I've mentioned it off offhandedly through the years here too. What's funny is they were already debating this then Dieselgate came around it became a near certainty.
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      05-15-2019 01:09 PM #44
      Very interesting, though I imagine that's going to limit the power capabilities of the RS models. I can't think of any 600HP+ transverse engine cars, and we all know that is where the M3 and the like are headed. It's stupid to me but it matters in that market.

      Also curious on whether that means lower prices... and more pressingly what it will do for the looks. From what I understand all MQB cars have a fixed front axle to dash relationship... so while the weight balance might get less nose heavy the visuals of it may get more nose heavy, like the Cadillac XTS




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      05-15-2019 01:19 PM #45
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      05-15-2019 01:33 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK
      Very interesting, though I imagine that's going to limit the power capabilities of the RS models. I can't think of any 600HP+ transverse engine cars, and we all know that is where the M3 and the like are headed. It's stupid to me but it matters in that market.
      Probably, but already the RS3 makes 394hp to the RS5's 444. And supposedly there's renewed interest in VR6s. I think they could make a competitive 3.0T VR6, especially with a 48V turbo that could limit the downside to the long manifold in the forward "bank."

      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      Also curious on whether that means lower prices... and more pressingly what it will do for the looks. From what I understand all MQB cars have a fixed front axle to dash relationship... so while the weight balance might get less nose heavy the visuals of it may get more nose heavy, like the Cadillac XTS
      Yes, brake pedal to front axle is fixed. TBH I'm not sure A4 will get any less nose heavy (although A6 up probably will). For the A4 it's more that before, haldex was an inferior alternative to torsen, and now that's not as marked a difference. What it will likely get, is more efficiently packaged, and it will probably also help mitigate price increases, but I wouldn't expect the car to be cheaper either.

      On a side note, I just realized that MLB's demise may be a contributor to the Macan going EV. It wouldn't make sense to put Macan on MQB or MSB.
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    23. 05-15-2019 01:38 PM #47
      I've been out of vw-product land for some time - are current or 'to be' vr6 engine lumps of iron, or are they finally aluminum blocks?
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      I'll probably burn at the stake for saying this but...the Nouvolari grill now looks like Hyundai grill.

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      05-15-2019 01:48 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by spoonie View Post
      I've been out of vw-product land for some time - are current or 'to be' vr6 engine lumps of iron, or are they finally aluminum blocks?
      Not sure. The latest is a 2.5T VR6 in China's version of the Atlas; I believe it's a way to offer a 6-cyl in-market without a ridiculous displacement tax, as would happen if they had offered the same 3.6 we get here. Given the single market, I doubt they invested enough to make it an aluminum block, but I have no easy way of confirming that.

      At any rate, if I'm dreaming, the 2024 RS4 will have a 460hp 2.7liter reduced-compression/high-boost version of the S4's all aluminum 2.8TSI VR6, which itself makes 355hp.

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      05-15-2019 03:58 PM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by Uber Wagon View Post
      I'll probably burn at the stake for saying this but...the Nouvolari grill now looks like Hyundai grill.
      Plus, when Audi designers added the "Toronado line" to some of the lines, from the 1966 Oldsmobile Toronado, this Hyudai also adopted (copied) it well.

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