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      05-15-2019 08:13 PM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert View Post
      Surprised to see 15% take rate for MT on the Corolla, was expecting single digits. Also still scrolling back for a second look at the Corolla as it really is the best looking (new) small hatchback (IMO).
      Didn't the articles say 15% manual for the Corolla hatchback, but 1% for the much larger selling Corolla sedan?

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      05-15-2019 08:21 PM #52
      Quote Originally Posted by whitejeep1989 View Post
      I guess I'll add this anecdote as a counterpoint.

      I was the victim of a failed "carjacking" in 1991 or 1992, even before there was such a name.
      1991-1992 was peak crime in the US. Crime rate trends are likely to be car-related (specifically leaded-gasoline-related).



      For whatever reason, when the media started using "carjacking" to describe robbery stealing a car, various legislatures rushed to act "tough on crime" by enacting laws against "carjacking". But these were often just copy-and-paste of existing robbery laws, modified only for the special case where the stolen property is a car (obviously, "carjacking" was already illegal as a form of robbery).

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      05-15-2019 08:43 PM #53
      Similarly, and it's definitely not without its critics, but a previous study concluded that the sharp drop in crime during those years was related to a different reason
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legali...d_crime_effect

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      Donohue and Levitt point to the fact that males aged 18 to 24 are most likely to commit crimes. Data indicates that crime in the United States started to decline in 1992. Donohue and Levitt suggest that the absence of unwanted children, following legalization in 1973, led to a reduction in crime 18 years later, starting in 1992 and dropping sharply in 1995. These would have been the peak crime-committing years of the unborn children.
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      05-15-2019 10:48 PM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by tjl View Post
      Didn't the articles say 15% manual for the Corolla hatchback, but 1% for the much larger selling Corolla sedan?
      Yeah, pretty sure the sedan outsells the hatch at least 10 to 1, so 15% of 10% is still a miniscule amount....

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      05-16-2019 10:04 AM #55
      What about the other famous rear-wheel-drive offering from Japan, Mazda's MX-5 Miata? A case can be made that an 86 buyer cross-shops the Miata, and vice-versa, but what kind of split do Mazda's sales figures reflect in comparison?

      We reached out to Mazda for some sales data, and PR program manager Tim Olson told us 76 percent of Miata soft-top buyers go for the classic stick-shift option, leaving just 24 percent of buyers preferring the automatic. Both transmission options for the Miata are six-speed. The figures are based on year-to-date sales data for the 181-hp 2019 Miata, from July 2018 through April 2019.


      Interestingly, the more coupe or targa-like, retractable hardtop RF variant takes a step towards the 86 when it comes to transmission choices. While RF buyers still preferred the manual, the split was far closer to half and half: 52% went for the manual, and 48% chose the automatic
      https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/15/...ual-take-rate/

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      05-16-2019 10:26 AM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      and 80 percent of Subaru BRZ, WRXs and STIs are sticks.
      So only 1 in 3 Toyota 86s are stick but 80% of BRZs are? Is the 80% a grouping of BRZ+WRX, if so, that's crap data.

      I've often wondered at all the differences in Subaru vs Scion/Toyota buyers. I know there is a price difference on the used market. However, the newer Toyota-badged 86s seem to have all of the "nicer" Subaru interior bits.

      76 percent of Miata soft-top buyers go for the classic stick-shift option, leaving just 24 percent of buyers preferring the automatic. Both transmission options for the Miata are six-speed. The figures are based on year-to-date sales data for the 181-hp 2019 Miata, from July 2018 through April 2019.


      Interestingly, the more coupe or targa-like, retractable hardtop RF variant takes a step towards the 86 when it comes to transmission choices. While RF buyers still preferred the manual, the split was far closer to half and half: 52% went for the manual, and 48% chose the automatic
      I cross-shopped a ragtop ND and the BRZ. I didn't consider the RF due to cost and I didn't consider the FRS due to some touchy-feely emotion I had against Scion and their owner's image. There is much, much higher rate of clapped-out used FRSes on the market compared to BRZs. I also think Subaru sells less of them than does Toyota.
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      05-16-2019 10:59 AM #57
      and 80 percent of Subaru BRZ, WRXs and STIs are sticks.
      Quote Originally Posted by Cr4shT3st View Post
      So only 1 in 3 Toyota 86s are stick but 80% of BRZs are? Is the 80% a grouping of BRZ+WRX, if so, that's crap data.

      It's definitely grouped together since STIs obviously aren't even available with an auto.

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      05-16-2019 11:17 AM #58
      I wonder about a bunch of this data, actually. Seems to vary from source to source.


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      05-16-2019 12:44 PM #59
      Quote Originally Posted by Cr4shT3st View Post
      So only 1 in 3 Toyota 86s are stick but 80% of BRZs are? Is the 80% a grouping of BRZ+WRX, if so, that's crap data.

      I've often wondered at all the differences in Subaru vs Scion/Toyota buyers. I know there is a price difference on the used market. However, the newer Toyota-badged 86s seem to have all of the "nicer" Subaru interior bits.



      I cross-shopped a ragtop ND and the BRZ. I didn't consider the RF due to cost and I didn't consider the FRS due to some touchy-feely emotion I had against Scion and their owner's image. There is much, much higher rate of clapped-out used FRSes on the market compared to BRZs. I also think Subaru sells less of them than does Toyota.
      I don't know about sales as a whole, but my salesman told me that, for their dealership, at least 75% of BRZ sales are stick. The vehicles they get in with a stick are either already spoken for or sell right away, autos sit on the lot for a long time.

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      05-16-2019 12:51 PM #60
      i think i'll have to end up building my own car. who the **** buys an automatic sports car anyway.
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      05-16-2019 12:56 PM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by adrew View Post
      Similarly, and it's definitely not without its critics, but a previous study concluded that the sharp drop in crime during those years was related to a different reason
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legali...d_crime_effect
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      05-16-2019 01:00 PM #62
      Quote Originally Posted by worth_fixing View Post
      who the **** buys an automatic sports car anyway.
      Based on the data, I'm going to say Toyota people (aka, people who have owned one or more Toyotas before)

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      05-16-2019 02:28 PM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by 2 F1 Fans View Post
      I don't know about sales as a whole, but my salesman told me that, for their dealership, at least 75% of BRZ sales are stick. The vehicles they get in with a stick are either already spoken for or sell right away, autos sit on the lot for a long time.
      My dealer said that they won't even order an automatic one unless they know the customer, because they will never get rid of it otherwise.

      I admit that I chose the BRZ over the 86 for two reasons - availability of performance pack was the main one, but the interior of the 86 was the other. The BRZ interior is quite a bit less busy than the 86.
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    15. 05-17-2019 07:55 PM #64
      Canada has double the take rate (69%) for the manual in the 86.

      https://driving.ca/mazda/auto-news/n...than-americans

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