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      06-10-2019 11:37 AM #1
      Hey Folks -

      I am having my '65 Cutlass redone due to a nasty case of the tin worm. It was my father's car and the car I grew up wrenching on. The full story can be found in this thread here: https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...lass-work-log). As we've gone through the car I've been telling others (and myself) that if I change it too much it wouldn't be my father's car. In trying to keep with that theme I've been trying to find a red that would look good with the red interior. I have never been a fan of the shade that was on the car (re-paint done in the mid-90's) and really wanted something a little darker.

      I've been searching for the past couple months and really am not happy with any of the reds. Truth is I really don't like red cars to begin with. I'm now contemplating a color change, something that would look good with red interior (I LOVE red interiors, so that's staying). I came across an image of Porsche Slate Grey with the red interior and absolutely love it.

      So here are my questions:

      1. Should I do a color change? I know, build it how I want it. The car isn't original anyway so keeping it red for value's sake means nothing.
      2. If I were to keep it red, what color red would you suggest?
      3. If I am changing the color, what colors looks great with the red interior and would make the chrome pop?

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      Best picture I have of the red interior:



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      06-10-2019 11:46 AM #2
      If you're not concerned about having a car that matches the original color, do it. I think I'd be tempted to change the wheels if I were to do that, though, so it could be a slippery slope for me. Also, what color is the top? White?

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      06-10-2019 11:47 AM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by Numbersix View Post
      If you're not concerned about having a car that matches the original color, do it. I think I'd be tempted to change the wheels if I were to do that, though, so it could be a slippery slope for me. Also, what color is the top? White?
      If I went grey I'd put a black top on it. Top needs to be replaced regardless.
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      06-10-2019 12:05 PM #4
      What color was it when your pops first bought it? I know you mentioned a pain job in the 90s - did it deviate much from original?


      Either way, I would try to have it match whatever it was when he first bought it. That way you’ll immediately remember it as ‘his’.
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    6. 06-10-2019 12:18 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by sicklyscott View Post
      Hey Folks -

      3. If I am changing the color, what colors looks great with the red interior and would make the chrome pop?

      How about an aquablue of some sort, with metallic flake?

      Low riders do custom colours really well that set off chrome work nicely. Take a look at some of those for inspiration.

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      06-10-2019 12:23 PM #6
      I had a very similar problem when I had my FoxWagon turned FoxTruckFox painted...I loved the Audi TT Amulet Red and the VW/Audi Nimbus Gray, both are similar to your 2 color choices and here is what I realized....

      The Gray looks GREAT on a very curvy car (such as an Audi TT and that Speedster in your OP)....that Gray looks like boring Primer on a more squared off car (as it looks terrible on a friends Sirocco)

      The Red is the OG color, it works very well on Straight/Squarey cars so you should stick in the Red Family.

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      06-10-2019 12:25 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by Pizza Cat!!!! View Post
      What color was it when your pops first bought it? I know you mentioned a pain job in the 90s - did it deviate much from original?


      Either way, I would try to have it match whatever it was when he first bought it. That way you’ll immediately remember it as ‘his’.
      Agreed, especially if that ends up being the original color of the car.

      If you were to change colors IMO the slate gray thing is a bit played out. I'd go with silver with the red interior.
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      06-10-2019 12:43 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by Pizza Cat!!!! View Post
      What color was it when your pops first bought it? I know you mentioned a pain job in the 90s - did it deviate much from original?
      The car was originally red with red interior and a white top. The red that the car was painted in was a different shade though it was supposedly the correct paint code for the car.

      I realize there are many variables here (oxidation, dirt, clearcoat, etc.) but you can see the color difference between the original and the repainted color.



      Quote Originally Posted by DerBaldGuy
      I had a very similar problem when I had my FoxWagon turned FoxTruckFox painted...I loved the Audi TT Amulet Red and the VW/Audi Nimbus Gray, both are similar to your 2 color choices and here is what I realized....

      The Gray looks GREAT on a very curvy car (such as an Audi TT and that Speedster in your OP)....that Gray looks like boring Primer on a more squared off car (as it looks terrible on a friends Sirocco)

      The Red is the OG color, it works very well on Straight/Squarey cars so you should stick in the Red Family.
      Amulet Red was on my list of reds that I liked. I'm worried that it's too red for the interior.
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      06-10-2019 12:50 PM #9
      Corvette Long Beach Red

      https://www.google.com/search?q=corv...hrome&ie=UTF-8


      Do it.

      EDIT: to say that a quick google search indicates two shades of red available for 1965, one being very red and one being more burgundy. Looks like your car started off in the burgundy color and then the shop repainted it in the more red color.
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      06-10-2019 12:52 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by sicklyscott View Post


      Amulet Red was on my list of reds that I liked. I'm worried that it's too red for the interior.
      Amulet Red will definitely make every other shade of red look like tomato red....by itself, its a super sexy dark blood red...but once it's near any other red, that red just looks like tomato party...so keep that in mind with that interior.
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      06-10-2019 12:55 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by GLI Dan View Post
      Corvette Long Beach Red

      https://www.google.com/search?q=corv...hrome&ie=UTF-8


      Do it.

      EDIT: to say that a quick google search indicates two shades of red available for 1965, one being very red and one being more burgundy. Looks like your car started off in the burgundy color and then the shop repainted it in the more red color.
      No, it was Target Red from the factory as per the fire wall tag.
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      06-10-2019 12:55 PM #12
      Red is a tough color to like if you don't like red.
      Go gray, make it yours!
      Maybe put a nice pinstripe on it the original color with your old mans initials in it, to make sure it stays his too.

      Sweet car.

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      06-10-2019 12:58 PM #13
      I'm a sucker for a white car with a red interior but I REALLY like your gray idea. A black top and red interior would really set it off. The wheels would look great with those colors as well.

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      06-10-2019 01:00 PM #14
      Dark blue cars with red interiors look AMAZING.







      I've seen some matte blue cars done that way and while they looked great, matte paint is not something I'd want to maintain for the long term. It damages easily and is very hard to touch-up, whether with a brush for chips or with a spray gun for area coverage.
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      06-10-2019 01:01 PM #15
      personal opinion but I hate red on cars, so i am for the color change option.

      I would go simple on the color change and do black,white or silver., red interiors are always challenging

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      06-10-2019 01:11 PM #16
      A good mid-blue with some metallic in it will look great on that car. I think metallic is important for a more square-edged American classic as it will help define the surface transitions and keep the car from looking too flat. Something on the darker side of a silver-blue family would look great - not a purple-blue, and too dark because the car will get lost or look out of place in too modern a color.

      Some variation of a period appropriate shade will work best.


      Thinking outside the box here, what about a dark Brewster green with a subtle fine metallic in it?

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      Personally I'm diggin' the blue.
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      06-10-2019 06:14 PM #19
      If you keep the cabin red I'd choose



      Make it a pearlescent. Or can't-go-wrong-black. Or a dark purple o'er red would be good.
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    21. 06-10-2019 06:25 PM #20
      IMO the car looks dull in dark colors. Like the '66 Chevy, these cars turn into rectangles with dark colors unless there's high gloss or flake in them. I would go with lighter colors.

      The '65 has nice long straight lines with horizontal accent lines. To make it pop I would go with pearl paint, so the slight curves that it does have would catch the light and give the slab sided car some depth.

      Red pearl, white pearl, or even a classic candy apple red paint job would look killer on that car.

      Red or white will go with the top and interior you already have too.

      Lastly, I agree, the car's not original so you don't have to have that certain hue of red, but red in another hue is still a good choice. Even though we call things "keepers", keepers seem to get sold every day.

      And there's a reason the cliche "resale red" exist, it'll be more popular when you want to move it.

      There. I've convinced myself, it must be red or white, no substitutions

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      06-10-2019 11:21 PM #22
      White or gray with a red interior is killer.

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      My concern now is that I've read the old pigments are not available which means the old codes might not be right.* I went through paintref.com and found a color similar on my screen that may work.* Let me layout some of the info below:

      Original color is Target Red.* I went through the paint ref and saw the color they used for the box displaying the color.* Obviously take it with a grain of salt but, when i see original paint Target Red it does look darker than what I have on my car (and many others):





      This is Audi Amulet Red.* Looks similar on the screen and the sample to Target Red:









      This is VW Tornado Red.* As far as "bright" reds go, this would probably be my favorite, we have a history together:





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      CMYK or RGB formulas won't be much of a help, as it's literally a different world. No, the old paint formulas are likely not transferable to modern pigments either, but they certainly should be able to get the color right once you have a target color that you like.

      Your screen is of little help unless you have a calibrated monitor, which is extremely unlikely. Macs are pretty good out of the box, but PCs use firmware, video 'cards' and monitors from different suppliers. It's better than it was 20 years ago, but you can't rely on screen colors to nail anything down, especially since monitors all work in the RGB colorspace, which emits light rather than reflects it.

      Let it get you close, then narrow it down by looking at samples from a physical book at the paint shop.
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      06-11-2019 02:13 PM #25
      Ferrari's Azzurro Metallic looks pretty good over red:





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