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    1. 06-17-2019 10:50 PM #1
      Exactly the subject.

      I've read some horrible Quad reliability and some that are saying "it's not terrible".


      I know how well they drive, but is the craziness and unreliability offset enough by everything else in the car?

      Looking at '18 quads, so not quite first year issues.
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      06-17-2019 10:53 PM #2
      Quote Originally Posted by Nourdmrolnmt View Post
      Exactly the subject.

      I've read some horrible Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio reliability and some that are saying "it's not terrible".

      I know how well they drive, but is the craziness and unreliability offset enough by everything else in the car?

      Looking at '18 Quadrifoglios, so not quite first year issues.
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      06-17-2019 11:08 PM #3
      If you're going to buy one you need to own the proper name for it, otherwise you sound like a 16 yo kid.

      But yes...go for it.
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    6. 06-18-2019 12:03 AM #5
      Personally,
      I'd wait for the Settefoglio to come out.




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      06-18-2019 12:42 AM #7
      If it's not a 2019 I wouldn't do it.
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      06-18-2019 12:58 AM #8
      You skip initial depreciation, so not that bad. It does suck to have a computer change gears for you though.

      Also the 18 has tall springs.
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      06-18-2019 01:14 AM #9
      A lot of people say they can't take glutten, but I think most of them are lying.

      Without glutten you don't get pizza. Which is also Italian. And therefore, you should just get one. QED.

      more on-topic, what are early models going for these days? Don't think I could sacrifice the 3rd pedal for one (yes, I realize I'm in the minority) but it's tempting.

    11. 06-18-2019 02:05 AM #10
      On a scale from Range Rover to E60 M5, I give it a modded E55 AMG

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      I laugh. But I'd be lying if I didn't admit this same thought has occurred to me as well

    13. 06-18-2019 03:25 AM #12
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      I laugh. But I'd be lying if I didn't admit this same thought has occurred to me as well
      Me too man. I see some E60 M5s go for ridiculously low prices on BaT or autotrader, even one or two owner examples, and it's so tempting. Even with an expensive warranty you can get into a clean one for like 26-28k.

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      06-18-2019 05:26 AM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by NoXenons View Post
      You skip initial depreciation, so not that bad. It does suck to have a computer change gears for you though.

      Also the 18 has tall springs.
      This.

      Discounts on leftover '18 models are very tempting. You can purchase an extended warranty through FCA as well for more peace of mind.

      Most '18 do have taller springs. Europe has a TSB regarding this. Alfa rep on forums is helping some US owners get '17 springs retrofitted, otherwise aftermarket springs by ST (made by KW) do a good job as replacements without slamming car.

      From all accounts the ZF 8-speed auto in the QV is the best tuning of the auto trans yet, it won't be a a deal breaker for me when my time comes...18 months!
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      06-18-2019 06:49 AM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by zmt2 View Post
      A lot of people say they can't take glutten, but I think most of them are lying.
      I prefer everything be glutten free. I'm watching my figure.
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      06-18-2019 08:51 AM #16
      As I posted extensively on in the BMW vs Alfa thread, I had a 2018 Quad 24 hour test drive.

      My thoughts:

      1. Focus on 2018 only. Too many issues with the 2017s.
      2. Even then, some 2018s have CarPlay/AA and others don't, and you cannot retrofit the older cars to update easily. Additionally, supposedly there was a spring change and the 2018 cars ride higher.
      3. There are enough 2018 leftovers laying around (Autobarn Alfa in Evanston IL has NINE FREAKING QUADS in inventory!!) that you should not be looking used.
      4. The new car warranty alone would be enough to push me to buying a leftover new one.
      5. There are enough improvements that would justify a 2019 or even waiting till 2020 (supposedly a new center console and a touchscreen interface is coming...both badly needed)
      6. Skip the Carbon Ceramic brakes. You're looking at an $8,000 repair job if you have to replace them
      7. Skip the stupid Sparco racing seats. You lose power, memory, heat, and you don't gain anything except the admittedly awesome looking carbon shell. The Sparcos squeak like hell and feel like an aftermarket seat rather than something that was designed for the car.

      Regarding the lack of a manual, I know this sounds cliche, but the ZF8 is SO good, and so accurate, even a manual snob like me can not only forgive it, but see the value in the ZF. The lack of a manual is not an issue, the car is actually better as a result.
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      06-18-2019 12:10 PM #17
      Does Carmax still offer their aftermarket warranties that Doug DeMuro made famous?
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      06-18-2019 12:28 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by Wimbledon View Post
      Does Carmax still offer their aftermarket warranties that Doug DeMuro made famous?
      Yes. I just added one to an S7. Thankfully haven't had to use it, but in reading through the contract itself, it strikes me as reasonably legitimate. May turn into a big fight, but should eventually get covered.

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      06-18-2019 12:31 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by Wimbledon View Post
      Does Carmax still offer their aftermarket warranties that Doug DeMuro made famous?
      Yes they do, but there are enough leftovers out there that used ones should be avoided.
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      06-18-2019 12:46 PM #20
      What kind of discount are we talking about on left over 18s?

      There is a reason they are still there after lease support is gone... likely because Alfa dealers didn't want to deal. There are dozens of them just sitting around near me as well. Bad thoughts have crossed my mind several times but I'm not ready to part with manual M3 yet.

      BTW, if manual is not a requirement, people should probably pay attention to Audi RS5 inventory... They are not selling because of the crazy high MSRP and lack of incentives. At some point, there will be hidden trunk money on them to move metal. For reference, there are 185 2019 AND a handful of 2018 RS5 on the ground in Southern California region.
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      06-18-2019 12:56 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by bzcat View Post
      What kind of discount are we talking about on left over 18s?

      There is a reason they are still there after lease support is gone... likely because dealers didn't want to deal. There are dozens of them just sitting around near me as well. Bad thoughts have crossed my mind several times but I'm not ready to part with manual M3 yet.
      Lease support was never there to begin with. Residuals are in the mid 40%s, and Money Factors are standard - nearly 5% or even more than that the last time I checked. It results in monthly payments that are around $1200 a month when you can lease an M3 Competition Pack for $800 a month (if you can find one). And that's WITH the discounts.

      Speaking of.....Discounts are absolutely huge. Just go out to Cars.com and do a search for Giulia Quads that are new, and sort by oldest first. My local dealer is taking OVER $20,000 off. On the Sparco car I drove, it stickered for $90,000 and he was offering it to me for $66,000.

      The biggest problem I see is all the ones that are out there are Carbon Ceramic cars, and people do not want to be saddled with the repair costs for those. Most of the steel brake cars are pretty much gone. The reason why this is the case is Alfa for reasons known only to them produced a large batch of Quadrifoglios in 2018 with Carbon Ceramic brakes, which are an $8,000 option and every penny of that to do a brake job on them when you need to do those. In researching the car, I made it clear to the dealer that I either want a steel brake car, or I want lease support on the CCBs. I got neither.

      Again - the cars have 4 year/50K warranties on them - pretty dang good for a performance car with a bad track record of reliability. So why are the cars sitting? My hypothesis is the hot period has cooled off, the reputation is catching up to them, AND Alfa inexplicably produced a huge batch of 2018 Quads with Carbon Ceramic brakes.

      If they ever do start leasing the cars on par with M3s, this is a different conversation. If you are looking to buy, and only care about purchase price, then run, don't walk, to your nearest Alfa dealer that has stock.
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      06-18-2019 12:59 PM #22
      I say do it.
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    24. 06-19-2019 07:03 AM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by Maximum_Download View Post
      6. Skip the Carbon Ceramic brakes. You're looking at an $8,000 repair job if you have to replace them
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      This will probabaly be the reason why these cars get junked in 10 years, no one will spend 8k on a car worth 3,500

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      06-19-2019 07:45 AM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by ImpeccableNEW View Post
      no one will spend 8k on a car worth 3,500
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    26. 06-19-2019 07:51 AM #25
      Maximum_Download... are the calipers + rotor sizes of the CCBs the same as the steelies? If possible I'd just get a CCB car and downgrade it to steel. I'm sure those rotors would fetch a pretty penny. Just don't know how that would affect the warranty.

      Hell, might be worth swapping calipers/brackets too if necessary.

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