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    1. I had to ask.... Turbo II's Avatar
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      06-24-2019 05:47 PM #1
      Lately I've been looking into the pony cars, but the ones wiithout the V8. Go ahead, call them not real muscle cars because they lack the V8, but gas ain't exactly free and whatever we can afford we can afford. The usual suspects are (in no particular order)

      2017-2018 Chevrolet Camaro 3.6 V6 with the 335HP and 284 lb-ft



      2017-2019 Dodge Challenger SXT Plus 3.6 V6 putting out 305HP and 268 lb-ft



      2018-2019 Ford Mustang Ecoboost Premium 2.4 Turbo I4 310HP and 350 lb-ft



      I'm curious to hear what TCL has to say about them, how they all compare in real world and any experience with driving any of them? Any input appreciated.

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      06-24-2019 05:57 PM #2


      I remember pricing out a Camaro 2.0T with the 1LE package. And I recall that if you don't go too crazy with the option, you can get a 2.0T 1LE for just over $35K. And I recall that Ford re-did the performance package for the 'stang for 2019. Even for the EcoBoost model.

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      06-24-2019 06:14 PM #3
      You can rent each of those cars for a day and try them out to see what you like best. I've rented all three in the past and I think the Camaro has the best chassis and the Mustang was pretty good all around too. I HATE Challengers and I see very little redeeming qualities to buy a V6 version
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      06-24-2019 06:19 PM #4
      Thread relevant if I wake up sensible in two years.

      You can pick these guys up for well below sticker, at least the Ford and Chevy. I've seen really good prices on V6 1LEs. And I want to say but am unsure that there is like a Mustang 4 cyl performance package out now, and then they're doing a higher level one next year (not sure if it supplements or supplants the current one).

      Oh, it looks like it replaces it, and has a handling package you can add on top

      Anyway, I never drove any of these cars that wasn't old enough to drink, so I'm an interested viewer.
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    6. 06-24-2019 07:06 PM #5
      I can see the initial buy in argument, but are these cars really getting that much better gas mileage than their full fat counterparts? Genuinely asking.

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      06-24-2019 07:25 PM #6
      I've had the pleasure of renting a HEMI Challenger, a Pentastar Challenger and an Ecoboost Mustang Convertible. Here's how I'd rank them:

      1) HEMI Challenger
      2) Ecoboost Mustang
      3) Pentastar Challenger

      Even though the Challenger is the oldest, the chassis was still solid as a rock and has good 'bones', although not as lively and dynamic as the Mustang. With the HEMI, it was amazing. With the V6, it definitely lacked the instant torque and lovely V8 growl. I was pleasantly surprised with the Ecoboost Mustang. Plenty of low end torque, but it sure did sound like an angry vacuum cleaner.

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      06-25-2019 07:12 AM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by NegatiZE View Post
      I've had the pleasure of renting a HEMI Challenger, a Pentastar Challenger and an Ecoboost Mustang Convertible. Here's how I'd rank them:

      1) HEMI Challenger
      2) Ecoboost Mustang
      3) Pentastar Challenger

      Even though the Challenger is the oldest, the chassis was still solid as a rock and has good 'bones', although not as lively and dynamic as the Mustang. With the HEMI, it was amazing. With the V6, it definitely lacked the instant torque and lovely V8 growl. I was pleasantly surprised with the Ecoboost Mustang. Plenty of low end torque, but it sure did sound like an angry vacuum cleaner.
      The sound is probably the biggest negative aspect of it, but it is what it is. V6s can be made to sound somewhat decent though. The 4 cylinder Camaro is tbh the weakest of the bunch hence why I'm not really looking at it, want something with 300HP+, but still reasonable when it comes to gas and repairs. V6 Camaros with leather and nav seem to be a bit difficult to find when compared to Mustangs and especially Challengers. Plenty of base V6+auto Camaros though.

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      06-25-2019 09:11 AM #8
      Like anything else, why not just drive them and see if there is something that rises to the top. Not sure what chassis packages are available for the Challenger V6, but there are factory chassis upgrades for the other two if you want more of a sporty/sports car experience than the basic dampers/springs and large sidewall A/S tires.

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      06-25-2019 09:32 AM #9
      The Challenger V6 can also be had with AWD, an option not available with the Mustang or Camaro....

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      06-25-2019 09:45 AM #10
      I rent a lot of these cars from National.
      1. Camaro v6: great chassis and engine is willing. Backseat is not for adults. Blindspots due to low roof design
      2. Mustang ecoboost: Good chassis haven't driven the lastest ecoboost version but seems less powerful than the camaro. Very good to see out of and small backseats.
      3. Challenger v6: More of a cruiser, GT suspension is worthwhile. Heavy! V6 can get out of its own way but slower than the other two. Blindspots and ok back seats.

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      06-25-2019 09:58 AM #11
      I would go with the Mustang if I was shopping. I love the way the current one looks and I think a 300+ HP turbo 4 is pretty cool. It's lighter, cheaper, and gets better fuel economy.

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      06-25-2019 10:13 AM #12
      My neighbor has a Dodge Challenger SXT (his company car) and he really likes it. He also has a Porsche Cayenne GTS.
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      06-25-2019 10:23 AM #13
      back 3/4 yrs ago I had a V6 Stang.....did a test run with a buddy with the V8.....I got something like 22-23 he got 20-21. Don't get the V6/T4 for MPG get it because it costs about 7-8K less than the V8. I liked my V6 Stang but enjoy the GTI more. If I went back to a Muscle car I would consider used V8 over new V6. Price should be the same and you can find them owned by older folks like me that never drove them in the rain.
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      06-25-2019 12:58 PM #14
      Any discussion of the Challenger needs to include the whole issue of what ZIP code the leading edge of the hood is actually in at any given time.

      hint - it is not the same one as the driver is in.
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      06-25-2019 01:27 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by atomicalex View Post
      Any discussion of the Challenger needs to include the whole issue of what ZIP code the leading edge of the hood is actually in at any given time.

      hint - it is not the same one as the driver is in.
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      06-25-2019 01:40 PM #16
      i'd get one of the last v6 mustang manuels, I still really want one
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      06-25-2019 01:45 PM #17
      v6 "muscle cars" arent my thing but if i had to drive one id go mustang only because its easier to squeeze more power from a turbo than n/a

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      06-25-2019 02:39 PM #18
      The Camaro has the best chassis and is the best drivers car, but ironically it's the last one I'd daily drive. I hate the ultra-short greenhouse and it's styling in general.

      Mustang Ecoboost is a solid all-rounder, and a good value.

      I'd actually happily daily a Challenger, on the stipulation that it's a V8 or a V6/AWD since it's the only true 4 seater here (not a 2+2) and will be the best on bad roads.
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      06-25-2019 05:24 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by bificus99 View Post
      I rent a lot of these cars from National.
      1. Camaro v6: great chassis and engine is willing. Backseat is not for adults. Blindspots due to low roof design
      2. Mustang ecoboost: Good chassis haven't driven the lastest ecoboost version but seems less powerful than the camaro. Very good to see out of and small backseats.
      3. Challenger v6: More of a cruiser, GT suspension is worthwhile. Heavy! V6 can get out of its own way but slower than the other two. Blindspots and ok back seats.
      Spot on.

      I'd go Mustang

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      06-26-2019 10:13 AM #21
      The "other" pony cars are pretty amazing for the money. They offer similar or more power than the v8 pony cars from 10 years ago(only the mustang back then).

      The Camaro is basically an ATS(alpha chassis, 2.0T and 3.6), but it has the option of a 6 speed manual with the V6.

      The Mustang offers 350lb-ft of torque in the base model!

      If I was in the market, I would look for an Ecoboost convertible. That would be a nice weekend car with more power and torque than my 2006 Mustang GT made(20hp and 30lb-ft).

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      06-26-2019 11:00 AM #22
      The GM V6 rips out to 7000 RPM pretty nicely but the Challenger really needs the V8, IMO.

      The 2.3T Mustang with the Performance Pack (the one in the pic you posted has it) is a pretty interesting option to me. It looks like the street price is about $25-26k on the base car.

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      06-26-2019 01:50 PM #23
      I'm probably somewhat odd in that I would probably never consider owning a V6 Camaro or Challenger, yet I'd happily own the ecoboost Mustang.

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      06-26-2019 02:04 PM #24
      My only issue with those engine choices is not the performance, but the sound.

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      Quote Originally Posted by devianb View Post
      My only issue with those engine choices is not the performance, but the sound.
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