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    1. Member S1ack's Avatar
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      07-11-2019 03:40 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by J.Yossarian View Post
      I'm opening this up for any feedback y'all want to share (good or bad). Which transmission do you prefer?
      6MT here.

      The good: what they ^ said.
      The bad: Suspension creaks, interior creaks when it's cold (well mine does and I cannot figure it out), turning radius.
      If you are going at a speed that causes you to run off the road before ESC can provide any assistance, you may not experience the benefits of ESC

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      07-11-2019 03:54 PM #27
      Good timing for me on this thread.

      I had a mk6 GTI, (then an s2000), then a mk6 R, and now I'm dailying an e90 m3. All 6mt.

      I have a very short commute, and while the m3 is just an incredible machine all around - and makes wonderful noises - it's just not that fun to drive on a daily basis. My car is very low mileage for a 2011, having just rolled over 27k miles.

      I'm considering selling the m3 since it holds it's value so well and getting into a mk7 R. My wife had a mk7 gti for a year and the mk7 are quite an upgrade over the mk6. With the m3 I'm always worried about maintaining its value, and I can't really enjoy driving it too much.

      However when I test drove a mk7 R I wasn't blown away. It was ok, but coming from the m3 it felt so light and thin in a bad way. Maybe I'm just too used to the big heavy steering wheel now. I know with the mk6 it took a couple of test drives and a stage 1 before I really loved it. In any case, there's no other car I would really consider except for a cts-v wagon, but even high mileage ones go for $50k+

      OP, another thing to consider is that starting in 2018 I believe all VWs came with a 6 year bumper to bumper warranty. So a 2018 would have more warranty than even a CPO 2017. That's one thing that's held me back, as I'd like to stay around $30k to add another fun car to the stable with the leftover money from the m3 sale. But the 2018s are still mid to upper 30s.

    4. 07-11-2019 03:56 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by Maximum_Download View Post
      So fun fact:

      As of this writing, the Golf R and the S4 P+ lease pretty much for exactly the same price. ANd from a lot of people, I am hearing that it would be a VERY tough choice - the R punches so far above its weight that it affects S4 purchasing decisions.

      The RS3 is a different animal (and one I can point to with some interest as my next car) but there are no lease rate support on them right now and dealers seem to feel they cure cancer (well, with one well-known Vortexer exception - you know who you are). If that changes then I would consider one, but current market forces put the RS3 at MORE real world price than a Giulia Quadrifoglio.
      I just got an email from Costco; they're helping Audi blow out cars, S models included. So I put my name in the hat for an S3.

      They're showing 8 percent off of MSRP, plus incentives.

      I love my 2017 Autobahn/DSG GTI, and have my eye on a Mk8 R maybe perhaps, but an S3 at that price seems attractive.

      Plus, I kinda prefer the sedan form myself...
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      07-11-2019 03:58 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by 300_munkeys View Post
      Good timing for me on this thread.

      I had a mk6 GTI, (then an s2000), then a mk6 R, and now I'm dailying an e90 m3. All 6mt.

      I have a very short commute, and while the m3 is just an incredible machine all around - and makes wonderful noises - it's just not that fun to drive on a daily basis. My car is very low mileage for a 2011, having just rolled over 27k miles.

      I'm considering selling the m3 since it holds it's value so well and getting into a mk7 R. My wife had a mk7 gti for a year and the mk7 are quite an upgrade over the mk6. With the m3 I'm always worried about maintaining its value, and I can't really enjoy driving it too much.

      However when I test drove a mk7 R I wasn't blown away. It was ok, but coming from the m3 it felt so light and thin in a bad way. Maybe I'm just too used to the big heavy steering wheel now. I know with the mk6 it took a couple of test drives and a stage 1 before I really loved it. In any case, there's no other car I would really consider except for a cts-v wagon, but even high mileage ones go for $50k+

      OP, another thing to consider is that starting in 2018 I believe all VWs came with a 6 year bumper to bumper warranty. So a 2018 would have more warranty than even a CPO 2017. That's one thing that's held me back, as I'd like to stay around $30k to add another fun car to the stable with the leftover money from the m3 sale. But the 2018s are still mid to upper 30s.
      I'd recommend driving a 7.5. The drive modes and dynamic dampers really do wonders to help the feel out.
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      07-11-2019 04:04 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by Maximum_Download View Post
      I'd recommend driving a 7.5. The drive modes and dynamic dampers really do wonders to help the feel out.
      Thanks! I'll look for one locally and check it out. I expect to get around $40k from my M3 since it still has 3 years of warranty and a few other goodies, and I don't want to spend $40k on a Golf necessarily. So I might have to wait a bit. My hope was to get a car for ~30 and spend 10-14 on another s2000 or maybe an NC miata. It seems like the extra warranty has held 18+ cars pricing pretty strong so far but I haven't done any serious shopping.

      Also, I'm wondering if the warranty is worth it since I will almost certainly be modifying the car a bit.

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      07-11-2019 04:59 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by Maximum_Download View Post
      I'd recommend driving a 7.5. The drive modes and dynamic dampers really do wonders to help the feel out.
      The 7 has that too. And looks better.

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      07-11-2019 05:27 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by maximusbibicus View Post
      The 7 has that too. And looks better.

      Digital cluster also ftw

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      07-11-2019 05:30 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by bomberman447 View Post

      Digital cluster also ftw
      Audi digital cluster, yes.

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      07-11-2019 05:47 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by maximusbibicus View Post
      Audi digital cluster, yes.
      Nahhh, with android auto running, I can view so many things like not audio or my map if google maps is navigating

    11. 07-11-2019 06:06 PM #35
      I wouldn't do it. You will lose a ton of money getting rid of the GTI on top of the fact that the R holds its value pretty well. Too much of a lateral move if you ask me, unless you MUST have AWD but even then I would consider something different (ex. B8 S4).

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      07-11-2019 07:10 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by bomberman447 View Post
      Nahhh, with android auto running, I can view so many things like not audio or my map if google maps is navigating
      Umm, no. I'd rather have standard Audi cluster than the VW digital cluster. It looks terrible.

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      07-11-2019 08:46 PM #37
      Ugh... Everytime one of these threads pop up its "DSG is better suited to the car" blah blah blah...

      ITS NOT

      The DSG has launch control. That's about where the benefits end. It doesn't shift all that fast, nowhere near PDK quick, it auto upshifts, its a goddamn automatic, sorry. It's boring. Every car in the next few years is going electric + no trans, no shifting. Manuals are a dying breed, and it is a good manual in this car, from a driving point of view.

      Here is an accurate review of the manual



      Yes, the clutch in this car is weak. Yes, if you add power, better budget 1-2k for a clutch. But there are so many mods available that tighten up the clutch feel, shifter feel. I've got the clutch bleeder mod and a short shifter with the RSR clutch and this car drives and shifts through the gears like a dream... The gearing in the manual is also shorter than the GTI, and its sooo much fun. I drove a WRX and the manual in my car felt much much better then that rubbery cheap feeling shifter.

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      07-11-2019 08:46 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by unhappymeal View Post
      Made for the DSG as in the car feels like it was designed around the DSG. Everything from the gearing to the way the engine holds boost between shifts, to the launch control, made the DSG feel like a different (and better) car than with the 6MT to me. It doesn't help that VW's manual transmissions are nothing special and I will take an excellent automatic transmission over a 'meh' manual any day of the week.

      Edit: It seems I am not alone in my assessment.
      I don't disagree with any of that - it's a matter of personal preference. No 3rd pedal is a non-starter for me, no matter how great the DSG gearbox is (and I have plenty of seat time with one, and it was great - just not my preference). No wrong choice either way.

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      07-11-2019 09:18 PM #39
      I owned a MK5 and a MK6 GTI (both manuals). I test drove a MK7 R (manual) expecting to be blown away, but wasn't. It just didn't feel all that special or different from my GTIs. I don't really see the appeal over the GTI which looks better and costs far less (at least in Canada).

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      07-11-2019 09:28 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by cseaman View Post
      Umm, no. I'd rather have standard Audi cluster than the VW digital cluster. It looks terrible.
      What, there is nothing wrong with it and it has like 90% of the funcionality of the audi cluster

      Quote Originally Posted by sandwich-chris View Post
      I owned a MK5 and a MK6 GTI (both manuals). I test drove a MK7 R (manual) expecting to be blown away, but wasn't. It just didn't feel all that special or different from my GTIs. I don't really see the appeal over the GTI which looks better and costs far less (at least in Canada).
      An autobahn gti and a golf r are only $5k apart though for the extra power, 4motion etc. Most of the ones I see out here are already loaded so I went with the R.

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      07-11-2019 09:36 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by bomberman447 View Post


      An autobahn gti and a golf r are only $5k apart though for the extra power, 4motion etc. Most of the ones I see out here are already loaded so I went with the R.
      Not to mention the GTI will lose half its value in 3 years and the R will still be worth 32k. The R is worth it.

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      07-11-2019 10:02 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by ZPayne View Post
      Not to mention the GTI will lose half its value in 3 years and the R will still be worth 32k. The R is worth it.
      Yep and up in Canada the GTIs used to have absolutely no lease support behind them. The Golf Rs were substantially less expensive than the sticker price indicated because of the massive residual value.

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      07-11-2019 10:16 PM #43
      my only gripe on the 6 speed is that it is geared relatively short. cruising on the highway at 75 is over 3000 rpm. i wish they would have made 6th a bit taller for better highway MPGs and keeping the sustained RPMs down on the engine. also first and second feel pretty short, but that is more because of the acceleration than anything else.

      it really is an incredible car for the money. i would have been 95% as happy with a tuned GTI PP, but that extra 5% is a big jump. after driving numerous gtis and Rs, i found a used 2016 R to be the right car for me. i also prefer the 7 headlights and analog gauges. the center stack on the 7.5 sure looks nicer though.

      oh yah, my other gripe is the brake dust...lol. find myself cleaning my wheels every other drive.
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      07-11-2019 10:17 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by ZPayne View Post
      Ugh... Everytime one of these threads pop up its "DSG is better suited to the car" blah blah blah...

      ITS NOT

      The DSG has launch control. That's about where the benefits end. It doesn't shift all that fast, nowhere near PDK quick, it auto upshifts, its a goddamn automatic, sorry. It's boring. Every car in the next few years is going electric + no trans, no shifting. Manuals are a dying breed, and it is a good manual in this car, from a driving point of view.

      Here is an accurate review of the manual



      Yes, the clutch in this car is weak. Yes, if you add power, better budget 1-2k for a clutch. But there are so many mods available that tighten up the clutch feel, shifter feel. I've got the clutch bleeder mod and a short shifter with the RSR clutch and this car drives and shifts through the gears like a dream... The gearing in the manual is also shorter than the GTI, and its sooo much fun. I drove a WRX and the manual in my car felt much much better then that rubbery cheap feeling shifter.
      For what it’s worth, the STI shifter and transmission are light years better than the base WRX. It’s one of the reason I didn’t consider a base WRX after driving one.

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      07-11-2019 10:18 PM #45
      Had a APR stage 2+ MK6 R, have had to stop myself from buying a DSG MK7 R on multiple occasions, I absolutely love them. Fantastic car with how it comes off the dealer lot.

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      07-11-2019 10:29 PM #46
      I just got a DSG one and it is even better than I expected. Worth every penny It is the perfect car, like a jack of all trades.
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    23. 07-11-2019 10:38 PM #47
      High revving, naturally aspirated cars that make the power higher up in the rev range suit manuals better.

      Low revving, turbocharged cars that make a lot of torque right off the line and then run out of breath suit DSG better.

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      07-11-2019 10:59 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by ZPayne View Post
      Ugh... Everytime one of these threads pop up its "DSG is better suited to the car" blah blah blah...

      ITS NOT

      The DSG has launch control. That's about where the benefits end. It doesn't shift all that fast, nowhere near PDK quick, it auto upshifts, its a goddamn automatic, sorry. It's boring.
      You’re completely wrong but don’t let that stop you.

      In manual mode mine never upshifts and it will down shift right into red line and sit there.
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      07-12-2019 12:08 AM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by Hostile View Post
      You’re completely wrong but don’t let that stop you.

      In manual mode mine never upshifts and it will down shift right into red line and sit there.
      So yours just sits there and bounces off the rev limiter? That's not what happened in the car I drove, and it was in manual sport mode. This is also what i've heard in reviews and read online. Is yours stock or tuned?

      I'm completely right about the manual being a perfectly fine gearbox that is well matched to the character of the car, though.

      The DSG isn't bad but its still an automatic.

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      07-12-2019 05:06 AM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by ZPayne View Post
      Ugh... Everytime one of these threads pop up its "DSG is better suited to the car" blah blah blah...

      ITS NOT

      The DSG has launch control. That's about where the benefits end. It doesn't shift all that fast, nowhere near PDK quick, it auto upshifts, its a goddamn automatic, sorry. It's boring. Every car in the next few years is going electric + no trans, no shifting. Manuals are a dying breed, and it is a good manual in this car, from a driving point of view.
      Fun fact, DSG shifts in 8 milliseconds and the PDK does it in 60. The DSG is faster, why wouldn’t Bugatti use a PDK? They didn’t, they used a DSG
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