And we can't forget that all stickshifts are not created equal. Look at all the work you did to get decent shift quality out of the STI. Look at the weak clutch problem with the GTI/R. G70 manual is meh. Every Nissan manual in existence ranges from awful to meh. Rev hang is cancer etc. If the only fun part of a car is changing gears either it's a ****ty car or someone's priorities are warped
This article nails it:
"So all in all, the seven-speed is an improvement over the six-speed DSG that it replaces, and that can still be found in the GTI. But can an extra gear and an extra clutch make this better than the Golf Rís six-speed manual transmission?
Sure, itís fast. Sure, you can stay in power band for longer. Sure, you can flip paddles like all of your favorite race car drivers. But so what? Going faster is personal pursuit, and I acknowledge that for VW, the improvement is impressive, but from the driverís seat, their achievement is just that: their achievement. It doesnít make me feel any better. When Iím in a manual car, I can see whatís ahead of me and predict when and where Iíll need what. Itís a skill and the honing of that skill is what I enjoy. You donít drive to go fast in the same way you donít eat because you want to poop. Going fast is a result of the joys of driving, itís not the joy. And the six-speed manual in the Golf R is still really good, so keep buying that."
Absolutely spot on.
I will just keep driving my Stage II R /w my stock clutch, like the other people that know how to drive a 6MT, knowing too that I paid over $1,000 less then the DSG. Do I get envy of 0-60 times? Yes. When I am flowing through open road? Hell no, been there done that. What about bumper to bumper traffic? Well...
Also, I have done enough research to know now, that when I have to upgrade my stock clutch (not the flywheel), DSG owners will be paying for TCU tunes to increase their clamping levels or face expensive repairs. Financially all said and done I am still ahead.
Now if we start talking about Stage III builds, you will be replacing your clutches in both the DSG (which will cost you double) and the 6MT. So you are never ahead with the DSG...except in a 0-60 race.
$70 worth of metal bushings and 15 minutes of your time, do wonders for the 6MT if you are optimistic.
Last edited by Rudy_H; 07-12-2019 at 09:18 AM.
Whether you go manual or DSG, you can probably get a good deal on one now. When I was looking a month ago, I was able to negotiate to $2k off sticker. One dealer I was working with, Quirk in NH, currently has 6 R's in stock. One of them they have had since April.
My MK7 is the first car in a long time where I have no answer for the question "what would I replace this thing with if it disappeared tomorrow?" Probably another one, TBH.
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