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      07-11-2019 05:14 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by Uber Wagon View Post
      The upcoming TLX looks pretty promising.
      Glad that it doesn't look anything close to the current ugly Accord. It is also expected to come with a 3.0T.

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      07-11-2019 05:25 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by JackStraw79 View Post
      Easy old man. High quality and sustainable leather alternatives are a good choice these days
      Plether also do not 'breath' like a real leather skin. Which can be a real sizzler (literally) in South Texas heat.

      Quote Originally Posted by JackStraw79 View Post
      The real leather in most Japanese cars under $80k is usually pretty crappy anyway.
      Accord can be had with luxurious leather seating at $27K. I may even dare say about nice as my $52K BMW.

      Quote Originally Posted by BlakeV View Post
      Glad that it doesn't look anything close to the current ugly Accord. It is also expected to come with a 3.0T.
      I think the current Accord looks so much better than current TLX.
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      07-11-2019 05:35 PM #28
      Am I the only one that thinks these look like Audi replicas? They aren't bad, but nothing gamechanging eirher.

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      07-11-2019 05:37 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by esrballa View Post
      Am I the only one that thinks these look like Audi replicas? They aren't bad, but nothing gamechanging eirher.
      Audi or not, this rendering looks so much better than what they got now.

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      07-11-2019 05:41 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by Uber Wagon View Post
      Plether also do not 'breath' like a real leather skin. Which can be a real sizzler (literally) in South Texas heat.
      So, this isn’t South Texas but we’ve had a good run of 90+ days here over the past few weeks, and I have the pleathery interior in black. I haven’t felt uncomfortable in it, it does not get hot to the touch. At least in the driver’s seat. And I have been wearing shorts mostly.

      Granted I try and remember to close the opaque moonroof blocker and remote start to get the air flowing. The V6 is powerful enough that I get pretty cool air coming out of the AC right away.

      I believe the Advance package has cooled seats too.

      One thing I don’t have that I’d love would be a heated steering wheel, I think that’s in the advance package as well.

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      07-11-2019 05:46 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by Uber Wagon View Post



      I think the current Accord looks so much better than current TLX.
      If it wasn't for the interior, I would heartily take my TLX V6 2016 back well before that horrible Accord that scares children (and customers. )

      Quote Originally Posted by Uber Wagon View Post
      Audi or not, this rendering looks so much better than what they got now.

      Don't be mislead; it is the same old platform.

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      07-11-2019 05:50 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by Yuppie Scum View Post
      So, this isn’t South Texas but we’ve had a good run of 90+ days here over the past few weeks, and I have the pleathery interior in black. I haven’t felt uncomfortable in it, it does not get hot to the touch. At least in the driver’s seat. And I have been wearing shorts mostly.
      I had black plether in both of my Mercedes before...and all I can tell you is that Aloe Vera lotion is needed after driving the car in 105 degree summers.

      I have black leather (not plether) in my BMW 328i, and I don't sizzle as much, even in 105 degrees. There is a reason that they charge you extra $1,000 for leather.

      Or maybe my frail old wrinkly skin just can't handle all that plether. Better wear them long jean shorts now.



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      07-11-2019 06:37 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by Yuppie Scum View Post
      It really just needs to be an Accord with SH-AWD.
      No hatch, no interest. Kia Stinger and VW Arteon much more appealing.

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      07-11-2019 07:01 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by BlakeV View Post
      If it wasn't for the interior, I would heartily take my TLX V6 2016 back well before that horrible Accord that scares children (and customers. )



      Don't be mislead; it is the same old platform.
      Anyone know why the ILX and TLX continue to use the previous gen platforms? And even this new one will use the old platform? What's the point? I noticed that the HR-V also uses the old civic engine as well, and not the new turbo from the current-gen Civic.

      That said, it looks like an improvement, styling wise.

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      07-11-2019 07:12 PM #35
      TLX actually has a decent prestige gap.
      Last edited by NoXenons; 07-11-2019 at 07:15 PM.
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      It wasn't just about the top of the dash. Or stroking it. It was just the overall feel inside the cabin. Everything was fine until you looked at the dashboard.

    12. 07-11-2019 07:56 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by whitejeep1989 View Post
      Acura design peaked with the original TL and MDX.
      The second generation Legend (coupe and sedan) were hot, too.
      This was peak?personally thought the first tl was bland as vanilla

      Never was a big fan of 1st gen mdx wither

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      07-11-2019 08:06 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by sandwich-chris View Post
      No hatch, no interest. Kia Stinger and VW Arteon much more appealing.
      Agreed.... Acura has a good opportunity here, but they have to actually give a ****. They definitely have the hardware and know how to make something fun and special to drive, which would put them ahead of the Germans right now. They can obviously make something reliable. They just need to nail the design. Can't go wrong with well proportioned and cleanly detailed fastbacks... I don't think anyone would complain if Acura turned the ILX/TLX into A5/A7 SB me toos. Couple them with the 2.0 hybrid/2.0T/a new 3.0TT and DCTs across the board.... they will do well.

      Metalitubby why are you so quiet?

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      07-11-2019 08:23 PM #38
      They don’t export these from North America right? Why spend a **** load of money overhauling a pretty good sedan in a shrinking North American sedan market, retooling the Maryville plant, when they can just update the engine and interior and get it about 90% competitive?

      Hatch appeals to you guys but the public at large probably wants a sedan in this segment.

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      07-11-2019 09:10 PM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by Ark6 View Post
      Is h that TT V6 going to be available in the Type S?
      ^^^This.

      Acura needs some excitement. New designs aren't bad, but put that 3.5L TTV6 from the NSX in TLX & MDX Type S!
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      07-11-2019 09:52 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by Yuppie Scum View Post
      They don’t export these from North America right? Why spend a **** load of money overhauling a pretty good sedan in a shrinking North American sedan market, retooling the Maryville plant, when they can just update the engine and interior and get it about 90% competitive?

      Hatch appeals to you guys but the public at large probably wants a sedan in this segment.
      This could work, but the TLX is hamstrung by a tiny back seat. It has 4" less rear legroom than the 9th gen Accord it's based on

      I don't know that people want sedans. 3 series, C-Class, A4, XE, all down. Honda has money... might as well do a hail mary and zig while everyone is zagging. A boring lookalike is guaranteed failure

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      07-11-2019 10:02 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by Yuppie Scum View Post
      They don’t export these from North America right? Why spend a **** load of money overhauling a pretty good sedan in a shrinking North American sedan market, retooling the Maryville plant, when they can just update the engine and interior and get it about 90% competitive?

      Hatch appeals to you guys but the public at large probably wants a sedan in this segment.
      No one is buying sedans anymore because they're useless. The new crop of hatchbacks (A5, Stinger, Arteon, Regal, 4GC) have no disadvantages vs their sedan counterparts, yet are infinitely more useful. There is zero upside to a sedan and there is a reason no one is buying them anymore.

      My wife and I currently own a sedan (ATS) but we won't even consider replacing it with another sedan. Hatch or wagon (my preference) or CUV (her preference).

      Tesla has the premium sedan market cornered. You had better offer something compelling if you want to compete and another sedan isn't going to cut it.

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      07-11-2019 10:35 PM #42
      Engine image. Is this a V6?


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      07-11-2019 10:59 PM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert View Post
      Engine image. Is this a V6?

      Yes

      What we need to know is if it's turbocharged

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      07-12-2019 04:14 AM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      Agreed.... Acura has a good opportunity here, but they have to actually give a ****. They definitely have the hardware and know how to make something fun and special to drive, which would put them ahead of the Germans right now. They can obviously make something reliable. They just need to nail the design. Can't go wrong with well proportioned and cleanly detailed fastbacks... I don't think anyone would complain if Acura turned the ILX/TLX into A5/A7 SB me toos. Couple them with the 2.0 hybrid/2.0T/a new 3.0TT and DCTs across the board.... they will do well.

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      Quote Originally Posted by davewg View Post
      It wasn't just about the top of the dash. Or stroking it. It was just the overall feel inside the cabin. Everything was fine until you looked at the dashboard.

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      07-12-2019 06:07 AM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      Yes

      What we need to know is if it's turbocharged
      Certainly looks like there should be a turbo hanging off that manifold the way it's designed, it looks cast in.
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      07-12-2019 06:08 AM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by NoXenons View Post
      No longer true.
      Please elaborate. Last gen Accord platform is still damn reliable, now that the transmission issues are sorted. It’s certainly not a Giulia.
      Last edited by Yuppie Scum; 07-12-2019 at 06:11 AM.

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      07-12-2019 06:59 AM #47
      I'm guessing NoXenons is referring to the 1.5T oil dilution problems. A fair dig. The 2.0T and 2.0H have been immune to those issues. I am on 10th gen Civic and Accord FB groups... with Accords specifically there seem to be a lot of problems with all the driver safety tech. Gauges and infotainment also crash a good bit. I would bet Honda is learning from that though.

      ND40oz while you are right that those single ports make going turbo easier... but a lot of NA motors use cast exhaust manifolds. Current Honda, Toyota and GM V6s do off the top of my head.

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      07-12-2019 07:19 AM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      I'm guessing NoXenons is referring to the 1.5T oil dilution problems. A fair dig. The 2.0T and 2.0H have been immune to those issues. I am on 10th gen Civic and Accord FB groups... with Accords specifically there seem to be a lot of problems with all the driver safety tech. Gauges and infotainment also crash a good bit. I would bet Honda is learning from that though.

      ND40oz while you are right that those single ports make going turbo easier... but a lot of NA motors use cast exhaust manifolds. Current Honda, Toyota and GM V6s do off the top of my head.
      Did some googling on that oil issue, yikes. Glad I have a 3.5..

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      07-12-2019 07:23 AM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by Yuppie Scum View Post
      Did some googling on that oil issue, yikes. Glad I have a 3.5..
      The 3.5 burns a bit of oil with the VCM system. A lot of folks disable it

      I like the 3.5 too. As good as the 2.0T is... and it's very good... I feel obligated to worship at the altar of big NA engines before they burn down the temple

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      07-12-2019 09:09 AM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by sandwich-chris View Post
      No one is buying sedans anymore because they're useless. The new crop of hatchbacks (A5, Stinger, Arteon, Regal, 4GC) have no disadvantages vs their sedan counterparts, yet are infinitely more useful. There is zero upside to a sedan and there is a reason no one is buying them anymore.

      My wife and I currently own a sedan (ATS) but we won't even consider replacing it with another sedan. Hatch or wagon (my preference) or CUV (her preference).

      Tesla has the premium sedan market cornered. You had better offer something compelling if you want to compete and another sedan isn't going to cut it.
      Zero downsides? NVH. Hatches are demonstrably louder than sedans. As for Tesla cornering the premium sedan segment, they are doing well, but time will tell if they can hold on once electronic vehicle incentives dry up. At the rate they are hemorrhaging cash, their future doesn't exactly look rosey.

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