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      07-12-2019 01:54 PM #1
      Even HPDE's they be hittin' evrrybody out here!

      Fast forward to 9:00 mark

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      07-12-2019 02:00 PM #2
      I'm used to this driver view playing GT Sport.



      And why push 11/10ths on track when not an actual race?

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      07-12-2019 02:46 PM #5
      Well at least he wasn't trying to drift it

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      07-12-2019 03:22 PM #7
      I see he was still on throttle as he passed the "2" sign, a point at which he had hit the brakes long before that on prior laps (hit brakes prior to the 3 board... on the crash lap he waited until between 1 and 2). Looks like he looked down for a second at his gauges about that point (around board 4). He was doing about 155MPH and at that speed he is moving over 227 feet per second. That's over 2/3 of a football field in one second. "Eyes up!" is what all instructors will tell you. Not sure why he looked down, but hat half-second glance took him about 100 feet too far, and his brakes couldn't do anything more. Looked like a pretty hard hit, I hope everyone is uninjured.
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      07-12-2019 03:35 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      I'm used to this driver view playing GT Sport.



      And why push 11/10ths on track when not an actual race?

      that was my thought, it's an open lapping day i'm assuming ? Was this his first lap on that track ? Expensive mistake looks like...

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      07-12-2019 03:41 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by Cousin Eddie View Post
      Even HPDE's they be hittin' evrrybody out here!

      Fast forward to 9:00 mark

      https://streamable.com/rfcyd
      Oh my god, that was driver error on so many various levels. They should re-think their time on the track. WOW.

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      07-12-2019 03:43 PM #10
      So my question is, in an instance like this, is the Mustang guy liable for the damage on the Porsche?

    12. 07-12-2019 03:44 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      I'm used to this driver view playing GT Sport.



      And why push 11/10ths on track when not an actual race?
      This is beyond tenths

      I don't think he even braked

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      07-12-2019 03:45 PM #12
      That view looks familiar. I had a similar situation coming into T14 a few years back as a result of mechanical failure rather than red mist like the Mustang driver, but I decided to go left instead of right to avoid doing the same thing to a Mini at about 70 mph. Yes, the GTI is back in business, though it could have ended MUCH worst.

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      07-12-2019 03:48 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Russells View Post
      So my question is, in an instance like this, is the Mustang guy liable for the damage on the Porsche?
      I don't see how there's any other way for that to play out.
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      07-12-2019 03:48 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Pics View Post
      I don't see how there's any other way for that to play out.
      On track I believe the rules are totally different, but I could be wrong, which is why I asked.

      Quote Originally Posted by IJM View Post
      That view looks familiar. I had a similar situation coming into T14 a few years back as a result of mechanical failure rather than red mist like the Mustang driver, but I decided to go left instead of right to avoid doing the same thing to a Mini at about 70 mph. Yes, the GTI is back in business, though it could have ended MUCH worst.

      The fun starts at 1:00:
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      07-12-2019 03:48 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Russells View Post
      So my question is, in an instance like this, is the Mustang guy liable for the damage on the Porsche?
      Generally speaking, no. You're out there at your own risk. This is from the legal standpoint. Ethically, there may be more grey area.

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      07-12-2019 03:50 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by IJM View Post
      Generally speaking, no. You're out there at your own risk. This is from the legal standpoint. Ethically, there may be more grey area.
      Does track day insurance only cover your car? Like if this guy has track day insurance, would it pay for the Porsche?

    18. 07-12-2019 03:52 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by Dave_Car_Guy View Post
      I see he was still on throttle as he passed the "2" sign, a point at which he had hit the brakes long before that on prior laps (hit brakes prior to the 3 board... on the crash lap he waited until between 1 and 2). Looks like he looked down for a second at his gauges about that point (around board 4). He was doing about 155MPH and at that speed he is moving over 227 feet per second. That's over 2/3 of a football field in one second. "Eyes up!" is what all instructors will tell you. Not sure why he looked down, but hat half-second glance took him about 100 feet too far, and his brakes couldn't do anything more. Looked like a pretty hard hit, I hope everyone is uninjured.
      Eyes up wouldn't have saved him

      By my math he needed about 800 ft to get down to a decent speed for that corner. That's probably braking well before the 4 board to be honest

      And he was probably target fixated on that GT3 from the moment he saw it

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      07-12-2019 03:57 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      And he was probably target fixated on that GT3 from the moment he saw it
      seemed like the mustang driver and the gt3 driver were both really trying to prove something at a HPDE day. mustang driver still 100% at fault. looks like he lost a ton of time on the right hander before it (really bad line he took due to traffic it looked like) and wanted to catch back up to the gt3.
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      07-12-2019 04:07 PM #19
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      07-12-2019 04:12 PM #20
      Total red mist right there. Really sucks for the GT3 driver.
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      07-12-2019 04:18 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      And he was probably target fixated on that GT3 from the moment he saw it
      Quote Originally Posted by badsmell View Post
      seemed like the mustang driver and the gt3 driver were both really trying to prove something at a HPDE day. mustang driver still 100% at fault. looks like he lost a ton of time on the right hander before it (really bad line he took due to traffic it looked like) and wanted to catch back up to the gt3.
      Quote Originally Posted by TheDeckMan View Post
      Total red mist right there. Really sucks for the GT3 driver.

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      07-12-2019 04:35 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by IJM View Post



      Had a close call once when a 904 dive bombed me at LRP during a track day at the 1 in Bing Bend....Lucky I saw her and drove out wide. Went over after and talked to the driver and she apologized and thanked me for dodging her poor judgement of speed.


      I have personally pulled in the pits many times when having overly aggressive drivers in big power cars. No awards in DE's other than successfully going home with no damage to the car or ones self.
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      07-12-2019 04:35 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      This is beyond tenths

      I don't think he even braked
      The on-screen graphics literally show the braking. He went down from ~155 to ~80 before offroading.

      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      Eyes up wouldn't have saved him

      By my math he needed about 800 ft to get down to a decent speed for that corner. That's probably braking well before the 4 board to be honest

      And he was probably target fixated on that GT3 from the moment he saw it
      800ft? No way. If you look at the prior two laps he braked just a bit earlier. The difference was close enough that the eyes down (and extra straightaway speed) likely made the difference.

      Guessing his brakes probably had warmed up over that period though.

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      07-12-2019 04:42 PM #24
      Skip to the 7:15 mark - you'll see he braked one braking zone earlier - roughly between the 4 and 3 and that was enough not only to make the right hand turn, but to grab the inside of the left hand kink first and avoid traffic on the right-hand side of the track. Then fast forward to 9:20 or so and the braking is between the 3 and 2. These aren't terribly widely spaced braking points either but not only does he not make the left kink whatsoever but of course he goes right off the track and through the grass. I have to wonder if maybe his foot slipped off the pedal initially or something. The braking point was quite similar from the 7:15 point in the video yet it was a radically different result. And yes, I've done track events at all different tracks before, I'm not saying "this was brake failure" or anything like that, but I felt it was worth pointing out that it wasn't like he went from braking at 5 to braking at 2, this was only a modest miss of the braking zone was the difference between an easy turn with loads to spare versus missing the left kink entirely and going into the dirt because he couldn't make the right that followed whatsoever.

    26. 07-12-2019 04:51 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by TheDeckMan View Post
      I have personally pulled in the pits many times when having overly aggressive drivers in big power cars. No awards in DE's other than successfully going home with no damage to the car or ones self.
      Whenever I have avoided an overly aggressive driver on track, they inevitably have an on-track incident soon after.

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