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      08-10-2019 09:11 AM #26
      Looked at and drove same choices recently. Kept coming back to MB GLC. Two things stopped me...the seats were definitely not up to MB standards. Comfortable for short trips but wearying on longer ones. And I really dislike immovable ipads tacked onto the dash on any car.

      I ended up buying CPO A7 Prestige. It has Mercedes E class ride and quality, a hatch with more room than any of the suv's already discussed, great seats, and the iPad disappears into dash when not in use for a very clean Audi interior.

      Obviously not a trail vehicle. But totally worth that tradeoff to me because once you get a taste of A7 fit, finish, ride, quality, and overall solidity on the road compared to the other vehicles I tested discussed above (including the Volvo, BMW, MB, Jag, Q5, plus JLR offerings) it was obvious that there is a huge gap between vehicles built to a $40k price point and those built to a $70k price point.

      Full disclosure: we own a GLK 250, my wife's car. Fantastic vehicle. She loves it. That's what made me favor a GLC for myself. Until I saw what I could get for the same money in a CPO A7.

      YMMV.

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      08-10-2019 09:15 AM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by BlakeV View Post
      You chose to ignore the Atlas... ok.
      I had a Touareg TDI. Extraordinary vehicle. The Atlas doesn't come close! I second the recommendation to consider one as an alternative to vehicles discussed.

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      08-10-2019 10:21 AM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post
      Well if you dont care about impressing the soccer moms at Whole Foods and don't mind having a slower car then the real answer is

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      08-10-2019 10:26 AM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post
      Well if you dont care about impressing the soccer moms at Whole Foods and don't mind having a slower car then the real answer is

      Sorry I am regularly in one like this.... it is an horribly outdated vehicle and without the Toyota name, it would have been in oblivion a long time ago.

    6. 08-11-2019 10:22 PM #30
      I had a 2017 4runner TRD, so can comment on that. it's like a cockroach. Unkillable. All terrain. Gutless as hell, especially in terms of torque. Rides well. Super comfy.

      But, more to the point we have a 2018 Macan S and a 2016 SQ5 in the garage right now and have a few miles on them.

      Folks are right about the cargo capacity of the Macan. The sloped rear window hurts. The floor size is roughly the same as the SQ5 but the height is compromised.

      Having owned 4 or 5 golfs, no, the SQ5 and the Golf aren't "about the same size". Actually the SQ5 has close to the same cargo capacity as the 2016 Cayenne S I traded, in a smaller package.

      Some pros and cons:

      Macan:
      - Handles a bit better than the SQ5. Largely because it has a computer controlled center diff that is more rearward in its bias.
      - Ride is better as well as the handling
      - Seating position is a bit sportier
      - It's my wife's car and she loves it
      - If you shift with the paddles, the PDK is a better choice (than the ZF in the SQ)

      SQ5:
      - I'm actually stunned by how much I like this thing. bought it CPO for cheap.
      - SC engine is *far* more responsive than the 3.0tt in the Macan
      - ZF8 is more responsive and sportier than the PDK. Shifts down and up amazingly quickly


      I'd reach for the SQ5 keys all day every day over the macan. No doubt. it's just fun and rowdy. One of my favorite cars (going on 30+)

      We drove the new B9 SQ5 and really wanted to like it. Absolutely hated it, for many reasons I'm happy to expand on. I'd highly recommend spending some time looking for a CPO B8.5. They are coming off of lease. They are a blast.
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    7. 08-11-2019 11:08 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by smstiles View Post
      I had a 2017 4runner TRD
      Well, this thread seems like about a guy who's looking for a tuxedo, not sweatpants.

    8. 08-11-2019 11:23 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by chocofrappe55 View Post
      Well, this thread seems like about a guy who's looking for a tuxedo, not sweatpants.
      Did you stop reading after the first sentence?


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      08-12-2019 08:40 AM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by smstiles View Post
      I had a 2017 4runner TRD, so can comment on that. it's like a cockroach. Unkillable. All terrain. Gutless as hell, especially in terms of torque. Rides well. Super comfy.

      But, more to the point we have a 2018 Macan S and a 2016 SQ5 in the garage right now and have a few miles on them.

      Folks are right about the cargo capacity of the Macan. The sloped rear window hurts. The floor size is roughly the same as the SQ5 but the height is compromised.

      Having owned 4 or 5 golfs, no, the SQ5 and the Golf aren't "about the same size". Actually the SQ5 has close to the same cargo capacity as the 2016 Cayenne S I traded, in a smaller package.

      Some pros and cons:

      Macan:
      - Handles a bit better than the SQ5. Largely because it has a computer controlled center diff that is more rearward in its bias.
      - Ride is better as well as the handling
      - Seating position is a bit sportier
      - It's my wife's car and she loves it
      - If you shift with the paddles, the PDK is a better choice (than the ZF in the SQ)

      SQ5:
      - I'm actually stunned by how much I like this thing. bought it CPO for cheap.
      - SC engine is *far* more responsive than the 3.0tt in the Macan
      - ZF8 is more responsive and sportier than the PDK. Shifts down and up amazingly quickly


      I'd reach for the SQ5 keys all day every day over the macan. No doubt. it's just fun and rowdy. One of my favorite cars (going on 30+)

      We drove the new B9 SQ5 and really wanted to like it. Absolutely hated it, for many reasons I'm happy to expand on. I'd highly recommend spending some time looking for a CPO B8.5. They are coming off of lease. They are a blast.
      Funny you say that as I read everywhere that the SQ5 is as big as a GOLF.
      Ha! We picked one up used for my wife and it is incredibly spacious. Before the baby we loaded up furniture and were so impressed by the capacity.
      This coming from my allroad (it is bigger).
      The Macan is nice, neighbor has a GTS- huge Porsche fan but the Audi just does it better.

      Our SQ is Stage 2 with ultracharger and is a lot of fun to drive. My only gripe is the seating position.

      Anyway OP, glad you got what you wanted, the A7 is a great car- but quite the change from the SUVs you were looking at!

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      08-12-2019 08:53 AM #34
      SQ5 vs Macan S vs GLC 43

      Those all sound like luxury softroaders, not family adventure vehicles.

      Seeing that list though I suspect the 4Runner might be a little too Carhartt when what you really want is Patagonia+. I can't in good conscience suggest a Land Rover so how about a Lexus GX460? I'm sure they lease very well.




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      08-12-2019 10:16 AM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by smstiles View Post
      We drove the new B9 SQ5 and really wanted to like it. Absolutely hated it, for many reasons I'm happy to expand on. I'd highly recommend spending some time looking for a CPO B8.5. They are coming off of lease. They are a blast.
      This seems to be a common theme, the new gen Audi's driving worse than their predecessors.

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      08-12-2019 10:30 AM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by Nourdmrolnmt View Post
      AWD, boxy, space for weekends camping, weekends backpacking, and road trips (bye bye e-tron and Model X), as well as daily driven.
      Adventure off road? How 'bout the new RR Evoque?

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      08-12-2019 10:46 AM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by Uber Wagon View Post
      Adventure off road? How 'bout the new RR Evoque?

      Not much space at all in those things.
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      08-12-2019 11:00 AM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by dubjager View Post
      Anyway OP, glad you got what you wanted, the A7 is a great car- but quite the change from the SUVs you were looking at!
      Yeah I was convinced for a second OP was the one mentioning he went for a CPO A7. Double checked, turns out it wasn't OP.

      I'm curious what Nourdmrolnmt will end up with. I agree with the suggestions to also look at the BMW X3. The updated model is quite versatile and I like mine (not an M anywhere near mine though, not as financially viable out here).
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      08-12-2019 11:18 AM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by Nourdmrolnmt View Post
      XC60 is on the radar, but i don't feel it has the same presence.
      The XC90 is in your price range. We're on our second one. The first one was a T5. Now we have a T6 with more bells and whistles. It's not the newest or the most sporty or whatever. But it's very capable all around vehicle and I still think it looks better and more upscale than the X3 or GLC or SQ5 because it is. It's a class above them.

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      08-12-2019 11:29 AM #40
      In the same position about a year ago and almost pulled the trigger on the SQ5. Test drove the X3 M40i and I was sold.


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      08-12-2019 11:30 AM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      SQ5 vs Macan S vs GLC 43

      Those all sound like luxury softroaders, not family adventure vehicles.

      Seeing that list though I suspect the 4Runner might be a little too Carhartt when what you really want is Patagonia+. I can't in good conscience suggest a Land Rover so how about a Lexus GX460? I'm sure they lease very well.


      Gods that looks so dated. I think the GX is a great car to own if its a post 3 year lease turn in. Buying one new? No way.
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      08-12-2019 11:46 AM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by Off Pump View Post
      Gods that looks so dated. I think the GX is a great car to own if its a post 3 year lease turn in. Buying one new? No way.
      I don't disagree at all. I just wanted to suggest something with the ability of the 4Runner, but in a vehicle that would be more palatable to a Audi/MB/BMW shopper.

      Personally, the GX460 I want is the 2013... last facelift before predator-face.
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    19. 08-12-2019 12:00 PM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by Nourdmrolnmt View Post
      Well... the car searching keeps changing.
      Ha. So I'm not the only one who starts threads like this...

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      08-12-2019 12:06 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
      Ha. So I'm not the only one who starts threads like this...
      But op can park his vehicles with no problems.

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      08-12-2019 12:45 PM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by Nourdmrolnmt View Post
      XC60 is on the radar, but i don't feel it has the same presence.
      I would argue it is most definitely the looker of the whole segment. The Germans are a dime a dozen, and especially the BMW is a snooze-fest stylistically.
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      08-12-2019 03:23 PM #46
      The GLC is long in the tooth but still looks really good, plus I love Mercedes so it's an easy instinctive choice for me, but...

      The SQ5 is probably the better all-around choice, and it looks good

      Porsches are ridiculously overpriced considering the utility you lose

      I find the XC60 in top trims to be stunning, it's a really beautifully designed crossover but more comfort and luxury than sport.

      I think the X3 M40i is probably the freshest choice on the market right now, I'm not a fan of BMW's new styling language but the performance and utility combo of the X3 is pretty excellent.
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    23. 08-12-2019 03:44 PM #47
      I can't get past the fact the Macan cockpit is fundamentally about 8 years old now. Sure there have been a few tweaks with the facelift, but that's the same general layout they've been running since 2012.

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      08-12-2019 07:06 PM #48
      Is GLC 43 AMG not as good as its sedan counterpart? If it is, it would be high on my list.

      Stelvio is another choice I like...are QV trim down to ~60K yet? Even 2.0T trim should handle better than everything except Macan.

      I love the GX460 idea.

      Durango SRT is an SUV I can't get enough of lately. Always turning my head cause R/T trim get the same hood...but not the 475 hp 6.4L V8! Tuning on 8-speed auto sounds just like a Giulia QV review video. Love the size too, bigger than mid-size, but not quite full size. Unibody chassis so can still handle well for something almost 3 tons. I think they've aged wonderfully (like Charger/Challenger - on same old E Class architecture?) & still look very good without being overwrought.
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      08-13-2019 05:31 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by lowlight View Post

      Durango SRT is an SUV I can't get enough of lately. Always turning my head cause R/T trim get the same hood...but not the 475 hp 6.4L V8! Tuning on 8-speed auto sounds just like a Giulia QV review video. Love the size too, bigger than mid-size, but not quite full size. Unibody chassis so can still handle well for something almost 3 tons. I think they've aged wonderfully (like Charger/Challenger - on same old E Class architecture?) & still look very good without being overwrought.
      I'm in the market for a three row around the 55-60k mark. I've got it down to the Durango SRT and Ford Explorer ST.

      The SRT performance and sound is phenomenal, but the interior (including tech) is definitely dated.

      The exploder is an all new design with new tech, is 800 lbs lighter and handles well for it's size. That coupled with the idea of it being easy to tune to match the SRT in power has me leaning that way.

      Both are the only non-luxury RWD biased three row 'performance' SUVs you can get right now.

      To the OP, I would definitely check out these two vehicles if you can deal with the large size and badge.

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      Saw an X3 M40i the other day; heard the burbles as he let off to stop for a red light. Made me smile enough that I needed to vote for it here again.

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