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      08-12-2019 10:46 AM #51
      Alfa 4C is my current desire.



      I'd also opt for a Camaro SS 1LE or GT350 but I tend to think the size of the Alfa is more what I'm after right now.
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      08-12-2019 11:20 AM #52
      Quote Originally Posted by adam1991 View Post
      at this point the discussion starts to sound like wine people: you can get a bunch of people to agree one bottle is worth $500 while another is worth $5, but that doesn't mean anything to anyone other than that bunch of people.

      The "so much more to a car" might have been a great discussion 30-40 years ago, but technology, engineering advances, materials advances, and--most importantly--government regulation have all come together to create cars that are all very very good AND very similar in so many ways.

      What's left is pure perception and tribal membership.
      You could make the same argument with audio equipment, watches or purses too--there's definitely rapidly diminishing returns for these types of qualitative analyses as you go up the price ladder and I can't argue against that.

      That said, I'm in a Nissan Sentra as a rental car right now. It is roomy, got me to my hotel comfortably, achieved 38 mpg, and probably sticker-ed under $20k--that's a great value on paper. If the qualitative stuff doesn't matter, then it shouldn't be possible for it to be a bad car. And yet--it's total garbage.

      Is the C8 a Sentra? No, not even close. But looking at qualitative stuff is important too.

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      08-12-2019 11:24 AM #53
      I also really don't think considering used cars is fair for the purposes of this thread. If used was a consideration, then it's the same question as any other thread since the dawn of time.

      But new-to-new? It has been said again and again, there is absolutely nothing that comes close to comparing. Full stop.

      If I had to pick something else though, definitely a GT350 or fully-kitted Mustang GT with maybe an S/C mod if there is enough money for that. You get 1) manual, 2) more accommodating/comfortable especially for bigger folks, 3) more practical, 4) better-looking if less polarizing, 5) likely easier to work on and cheaper to maintain as a package in the long run. Also, we can't say anything about the C8's reliability yet, but the Coyote is tried-and-true.

      Or like, you know... the Camaro whatever equivalent... I guess.
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      08-12-2019 11:37 AM #54
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      08-12-2019 11:38 AM #55
      There are cars I love, but they are either priced way over this, for significantly less performance (think 4C), or have similar performance numbers, but less hp, and are WAY more expensive, like the 718 GT4 Cayman.

      Or, you could buy a Caterham with no engine for a similar price, and have to build it.

      The new Corvette is a game changer, if they can finally shed the white New Balance and Jort crowd.
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      08-12-2019 11:46 AM #56
      If we're limiting to new cars only, I can't really think of anything else I'd want more than a C8 for $60k (though the one I'd actually build is probably closer to $80k). For my fun cars, I only buy used though. Therefore, realistically I'd get a 997.2, V8 Vantage, Evora, or an R8 V8 for that money and not worry too much about depreciation.

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      08-12-2019 12:24 PM #57
      Noble, Evora, 997.2, NSX

      one of those.

      New car? Maybe a 4C? But really a swanky new Volvo V90 T6 R-design.
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      08-12-2019 12:49 PM #58
      Oh, I never gave my "brand new" answer: Q60 Red Sport AWD.
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      08-12-2019 12:55 PM #59
      I put my money where my mouth is. GT350 all the way.

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    11. 08-12-2019 12:56 PM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by ghost03 View Post
      You could make the same argument with audio equipment, watches or purses too--there's definitely rapidly diminishing returns for these types of qualitative analyses as you go up the price ladder and I can't argue against that.
      Yeah, audio equipment as well.

      Although, even the hardiest of fanbois had to have winced when Denon brought out their $500 ethernet cable.



      That said, I'm in a Nissan Sentra as a rental car right now. It is roomy, got me to my hotel comfortably, achieved 38 mpg, and probably sticker-ed under $20k--that's a great value on paper. If the qualitative stuff doesn't matter, then it shouldn't be possible for it to be a bad car. And yet--it's total garbage.

      Is the C8 a Sentra? No, not even close. But looking at qualitative stuff is important too.
      Yeah, there's still room for that.

      But a $60K C8 vs a $90K something else mid engine and two seats? $120K? My guess is, those are the audio and wine arguments all over again.
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      08-12-2019 12:58 PM #61
      New? I guess a 4C.

      Used? Evora 400.

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      08-12-2019 02:22 PM #63
      I need 4 doors, so my vote would be a 1 year old CTS-V.
      3.7 is fast enough to 60mph.

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      08-12-2019 04:09 PM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by newusername View Post
      GT350, I love mine so much i’d Do it all over again.
      GT350 is at the top of my short list!!
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      08-12-2019 04:35 PM #66
      Unless I missed it, I think it's telling that no one(?) has said they'd snag a C7 corvette instead. Kinda shows how the C8 is appealing to a whole new demographic of potential buyers.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tommietank View Post
      A Boxster GTS. It's the high water mark for this car and the past 2 BaT auctions have shown prices softening big time.

      https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...e-boxster-gts/

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      Quote Originally Posted by Chris_V View Post
      Sorry, a C8 is better than any Boxster.[/url]
      Objectively, the C8 is probably a better car, but subjectively, the Boxster is a much better car for ME. I simply prefer the smaller size, lighter weight, greater visibility, top down experience, and the manual transmission. The Corvette will destroy the Boxster on the 'ring, but I don't drive on the 'ring. I drive on deserted back roads as a way to decompress. 'Ring times don't matter here.

      I actually hope that used base 718s fall in value a bit quicker now, as I actually prefer the raspy boxer-4 and all of it's glorious torque.
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      08-12-2019 06:25 PM #68
      Quote Originally Posted by daSchtick View Post
      Objectively, the C8 is probably a better car, but subjectively, the Boxster is a much better car for ME. I simply prefer the smaller size, lighter weight, greater visibility, top down experience, and the manual transmission. The Corvette will destroy the Boxster on the 'ring, but I don't drive on the 'ring. I drive on deserted back roads as a way to decompress. 'Ring times don't matter here.
      I've driven slow cars fast and fast cars fast. and what I've found is... fast cars drive slow, too. But slow cars will have a point where you want to go a bit faster and that extra performance won't be there. It'd be one thing if they were not equal in price, but for the money, you get to go slowly with the top off AND go fast when you want to. if you're not going to be going flat out, then the "added lightness" and barely smaller size will not really enter into it, either as a car like the Corvette (or 488 or whatever) won't really be affected by the slightly added mass when driven at 5-6 10ths. I learn this from sport sedans that shouldn't be such willing backroad dance partners due to their size and weight (I'm talking E38 and E39 here), but they are and they feel smaller than cars that ARE smaller as those twisty backroad speeds start to get elevated.

      The Corvette isn't going to be a high strung exotic that can't be driven comfortably at 5-6/10ths, like say, a Ferrari or Lamborghini might be. If you want to drive understressed with no top on a deserted backroad, it'll do that just as well. It's not an either/or proposition. The Boxster was fine at it's price point before, as if you wanted to go faster (or hell, just as fast) you had to spend considerably more. And for a while on the USED market, it's going to be a screaming deal still for what you get. But new vs new? It's simply limited in what it can accomplish vs the Corvette now.

      Now, there are a lot of alternatives if you can't use a 2 seater car, but once you get to the format, 2 seat performance sports car, the Corvette is now pretty much in a class of one at it's price point and quite a bit above. If it can shake it's old guy image, it'll be about perfect.
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    20. 08-12-2019 08:58 PM #69
      Again, I will not argue the performance merits of the new Corvette, as I am sure it will be the new performance benchmark in its class. In fact, I will even say the C8 is in an entirely different class than the Boxster.

      However, again for ME personally, I prefer the Boxster. A manual transmission matters to me. Smaller dimensions matter to me. Lighter weight matters to me. My current mid-engine car weighs less than 2200 pounds, and I wish that the Boxster didn't weigh 750+ pounds more than my MR2. Do I really want another 400+ pounds above that in a C8? This is something that you may not notice, but I definitely do. In addition, the new C8 is also 10 inches longer, and whopping 5 inches wider than the Boxster. This is is exactly the opposite of what I am after. I prefer small, light, and nimble. Honestly, I really wish Porsche had come out with a baby Boxster, weighing around 2500 pounds, with a 250 hp mid-engine design. Or Toyota would come out with a modern MR2 with similar specs. I am just not a fan of larger sports cars. And as much as I respect their performance capabilities, I just don't desire to own one.
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      Quote Originally Posted by JitteryJoe View Post
      Isn't the R34 importable under the Show and Display exemption? I don't think you have to store in Japan.
      R34 is specifically banned after the Motorex fraud. No way to import until it's 25 years old.

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      08-13-2019 01:19 PM #71
      Quote Originally Posted by t44tq View Post
      R34 is specifically banned after the Motorex fraud. No way to import until it's 25 years old.
      Theyre still out there though, last weekend I saw a beige one cruising on the highway to a C&C.

      Maybe I am in the minority here but the C8 really does nothing for me. Its basically a non-luxury, non-manual version of the Audi R8. New car for $60k give me the Supra or M2 Comp; used car me a m3/m5/997C4s/996TT/E63 AMG wagon

    23. 08-13-2019 01:50 PM #72
      Quote Originally Posted by TurboREX View Post
      Theyre still out there though, last weekend I saw a beige one cruising on the highway to a C&C.

      Maybe I am in the minority here but the C8 really does nothing for me. Its basically a non-luxury, non-manual version of the Audi R8. New car for $60k give me the Supra or M2 Comp; used car me a m3/m5/997C4s/996TT/E63 AMG wagon
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      2. Canadian import, not legal here
      3. Illegally imported into the States, not legal

      2 or 3 will get the car impounded and auctioned for sale out of the country

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      08-13-2019 02:10 PM #73
      Quote Originally Posted by TurboREX View Post
      Maybe I am in the minority here but the C8 really does nothing for me. Its basically a non-luxury, non-manual version of the Audi R8.
      Given the historical GM build quality (which has, admittedly, improved considerably), and the type of layout and materials, I'd describe it as a Lotus Evora with an LS-swap.





      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      Unless I missed it, I think it's telling that no one(?) has said they'd snag a C7 corvette instead. Kinda shows how the C8 is appealing to a whole new demographic of potential buyers.
      A couple have said it, but I agree that this new model has the attention of a lot more people now that it has the "ideal" MR drivetrain.


      However, this whole conversation--fascinating, though it may be--still proves my long-held belief that there is no way to present the Corvette's superlatives without adding the qualifier: "for the price".
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      08-13-2019 05:17 PM #75
      Quote Originally Posted by Abe Froman View Post
      However, this whole conversation--fascinating, though it may be--still proves my long-held belief that there is no way to present the Corvette's superlatives without adding the qualifier: "for the price".
      This is true. To be able to offer so much at that price, they must have had it in mind every step of the way. Not a bad thing, and it's going to sell like crazy, but you're right--ultimately it can be the best at everything for the price, but the absolute best is another story. I will be most interested to see if the C8 ZL1 can beat the current GT2RS though; I imagine it will, and if so, I think we may see a 992 GT2RS sooner rather than later, which is all around great for us car enthusiasts.

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