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      09-15-2019 08:15 PM #76


      Hyundai really did a great job to make an affordable track car "out of the box".

      I really don't think this Hyundai will depreciate like other Hyundai.
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      09-16-2019 09:26 AM #77
      Quote Originally Posted by Avus View Post


      Hyundai really did a great job to make an affordable track car "out of the box".

      I really don't think this Hyundai will depreciate like other Hyundai.
      I am not sure that I agree with you. Hyundai had $1,500 on the hood this summer for the Veloster N and they're doing subvented interest rates (0.99% for up to 36 months, 1.99% out to 84 months). Honda has absolutely no incentives on the Type-R.

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      09-16-2019 10:03 AM #78
      Quote Originally Posted by unhappymeal View Post
      I am not sure that I agree with you. Hyundai had $1,500 on the hood this summer for the Veloster N and they're doing subvented interest rates (0.99% for up to 36 months, 1.99% out to 84 months). Honda has absolutely no incentives on the Type-R.
      I think initial depreciation will be pretty steep for the reasons you mentioned. I think 10+ years out, if Biermann and crew can grow the brand and continue to deliver product that is the most fun in its segment you'll see them become sought after as the "first of" kind of vehicle.

      For now it's "just another hyundai" and much like the genesis coupe, it'll probably be relegated to the 2nd or 3rd tier when it comes to enthusiast recommendations for used recommendations down the road.

      That's just one dude's opinion though, and I still think new vs new at current transaction prices it's the one to beat in the hot hatch segment (don't forget about that warranty!)

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      09-16-2019 10:42 AM #79
      Quote Originally Posted by Avus View Post

      Hyundai really did a great job to make an affordable track car "out of the box".

      I really don't think this Hyundai will depreciate like other Hyundai.
      Value is perspective, but Hyundai Canada doesn't have high confidence of it's residual, 3 year lease residual is only 38% for the N, yikes.

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      09-16-2019 10:50 AM #80
      Quote Originally Posted by downytide View Post
      Value is perspective, but Hyundai Canada doesn't have high confidence of it's residual, 3 year lease residual is only 38% for the N, yikes.
      Realistically, it's a hotter Golf GTI, which already has poor resale value, from an unproven company. Of course the resale is going to be not great.

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      09-16-2019 01:50 PM #81
      Quote Originally Posted by unhappymeal View Post
      Realistically, it's a hotter Golf GTI, which already has poor resale value, from an unproven company. Of course the resale is going to be not great.
      I think the issue also has to do with them trying to sell the same for less, but then there are some against the trend, like Kia Soul, their trade-in value is always 10-20% higher than residual.


      It also doesn't help that the Veloster N price in Canada is within 2-3k of CTR, hard sell.

    8. 09-16-2019 02:02 PM #82
      For what it's worth, dealers around me in Omaha, Nebraska, are still acting like it just released. They aren't budging off of MSRP, and one dealer won't even allow test drives unless you commit to buy. The dealer where I was able to test drive has a $2,500 ceramic coating added on.. As such, I'm planning on waiting until Spring to make a decision, and I'll probably end up going with the safe choice in a Golf R.

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      09-17-2019 10:20 AM #83
      Quote Originally Posted by Avus View Post


      Hyundai really did a great job to make an affordable track car "out of the box".

      I really don't think this Hyundai will depreciate like other Hyundai.
      Quote Originally Posted by unhappymeal View Post
      I am not sure that I agree with you. Hyundai had $1,500 on the hood this summer for the Veloster N and they're doing subvented interest rates (0.99% for up to 36 months, 1.99% out to 84 months). Honda has absolutely no incentives on the Type-R.
      Quote Originally Posted by downytide View Post
      Value is perspective, but Hyundai Canada doesn't have high confidence of it's residual, 3 year lease residual is only 38% for the N, yikes.
      Quote Originally Posted by unhappymeal View Post
      Realistically, it's a hotter Golf GTI, which already has poor resale value, from an unproven company. Of course the resale is going to be not great.
      Quote Originally Posted by downytide View Post
      I think the issue also has to do with them trying to sell the same for less, but then there are some against the trend, like Kia Soul, their trade-in value is always 10-20% higher than residual.


      It also doesn't help that the Veloster N price in Canada is within 2-3k of CTR, hard sell.
      Yeah, I don't have high hopes for it holding it's value -- but it is a nice thought. I got ahead of the curve by putting a large chunk down and getting a solid deal on the car.

      Quote Originally Posted by Antimatter View Post
      For what it's worth, dealers around me in Omaha, Nebraska, are still acting like it just released. They aren't budging off of MSRP, and one dealer won't even allow test drives unless you commit to buy. The dealer where I was able to test drive has a $2,500 ceramic coating added on.. As such, I'm planning on waiting until Spring to make a decision, and I'll probably end up going with the safe choice in a Golf R.
      Yeah, some dealers have been crazy about them. What I found interesting is the amount of non-PP cars that were around, the dealer I test drove at was desperate to move the two non-PP cars they had on the lot. It took some time and haggling with two dealers but I was able to get them to come down pretty substantially on the price of the car.

      I think I'm going to turn this into my build/fun thread for this car:

      Got tint, PPF, and ceramic applied:



      Going to start looking into brake fluid and 18x7 wheel/tire combo that I like for autox and trackdays. Doing the first autocross with it in September.

      Got through the break-in period the other day:

      Last edited by QUIRKiT; 09-17-2019 at 10:24 AM.
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      09-17-2019 10:36 AM #84
      Congrats, that's a sharp looking car, Advan GT would look nice on there.

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      09-17-2019 10:41 AM #85
      Beautiful. I know white was your first choice, but I love the blue with red accents. If I could change one thing, it would be to replace the pseudo-AMG wheels with something that is pure gunmetal in colour, but that's just my personal preferences.

    12. 09-17-2019 12:20 PM #86
      Congrats!
      All the magazines seem to be in love with it
      Would totally daily one
      Last edited by GarageBoy; 09-27-2019 at 08:38 AM.

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      09-18-2019 10:20 AM #87
      Quote Originally Posted by downytide View Post
      Congrats, that's a sharp looking car, Advan GT would look nice on there.
      They would but sadly don't come in the width to keep it within DS class for SCCA. I'll have to stick with 18x7 in order to not go up a class -- but I'm open to wheel recommendations for sure.

      EDIT: I don't know why I had it in my head that the stock wheels for the PP were 19x7, but they're 19x8 which means I can run an 18x8.

      Quote Originally Posted by unhappymeal View Post
      Beautiful. I know white was your first choice, but I love the blue with red accents. If I could change one thing, it would be to replace the pseudo-AMG wheels with something that is pure gunmetal in colour, but that's just my personal preferences.
      I'm leaning gun metal or black currently, just looks right with the blue.
      Last edited by QUIRKiT; 09-18-2019 at 10:32 AM.
      Quote Originally Posted by Capt.Dreadz View Post
      This place is going to hell on a Thule roof rack.

    14. 09-18-2019 02:12 PM #88
      DS is a tough class for VN, but I'm glad it didn't end up in GS.

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      09-18-2019 05:27 PM #89
      Quote Originally Posted by Silver_arrow12! View Post
      DS is a tough class for VN, but I'm glad it didn't end up in GS.

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      It's supposedly doing really well and is very competitive in DS with the right setup.

      Looking at this tire/wheel package:



      Trying to come up with a decent setup without breaking the bank, these will only be used for autox/track days.
      Quote Originally Posted by Capt.Dreadz View Post
      This place is going to hell on a Thule roof rack.

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      09-18-2019 05:38 PM #90
      Is that the stock tire diameter? I thought they run 25" tires stock.

    17. 09-18-2019 07:38 PM #91
      Quote Originally Posted by QUIRKiT View Post
      It's supposedly doing really well and is very competitive in DS with the right setup.

      Looking at this tire/wheel package:



      Trying to come up with a decent setup without breaking the bank, these will only be used for autox/track days.
      I like your optimism, but that's a tough field with the CTR and RS. Keep us updated.

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      09-19-2019 11:21 AM #92
      Quote Originally Posted by troyguitar View Post
      Is that the stock tire diameter? I thought they run 25" tires stock.
      25.5" is stock diameter for cars with the performance pack.

      Quote Originally Posted by Silver_arrow12! View Post
      I like your optimism, but that's a tough field with the CTR and RS. Keep us updated.

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      The good thing is VN owners can pull what GT86 owners can with the soon to be coming factory performance parts.




      Also, after messing around with wheels on Forza I'm leaning towards these now:

      Quote Originally Posted by Capt.Dreadz View Post
      This place is going to hell on a Thule roof rack.

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      09-30-2019 10:08 AM #93
      This car is a freaking blast! I don't even know why I was concerned about the interior materials, while everything is hard plastic I don't even care -- not once since I've owned it have I even considered the materials used. The overall fit is well done it just uses cheap materials and I am totally ok with that now.

      Over the weekend I changed oil to 5w40(factory fill was 0w20 blend!), did a tech inspection, and swapped out the shifter bushings to Boomba Racing aluminum bushings. The bushings significantly improved the feel of the shifter and well worth the purchase price.

      Also picked up a new helmet for the cars first HPDE this coming weekend, I'm ready to go vroom vroom!

      Quote Originally Posted by Capt.Dreadz View Post
      This place is going to hell on a Thule roof rack.

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      10-01-2019 05:52 PM #94
      This car definitely has my attention. Got to find some time to test drive one.

    21. 10-01-2019 07:41 PM #95
      I'm glad you're enjoying it.

      I'll be watching used prices in a few years and maybe pick one up as a pure track toy.

      I'm not keen on going to crazy with the Rabbit edition.

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      10-01-2019 07:56 PM #96
      Quote Originally Posted by QUIRKiT View Post
      This car is a freaking blast! I don't even know why I was concerned about the interior materials, while everything is hard plastic I don't even care -- not once since I've owned it have I even considered the materials used. The overall fit is well done it just uses cheap materials and I am totally ok with that now.

      Over the weekend I changed oil to 5w40(factory fill was 0w20 blend!), did a tech inspection, and swapped out the shifter bushings to Boomba Racing aluminum bushings. The bushings significantly improved the feel of the shifter and well worth the purchase price.

      Also picked up a new helmet for the cars first HPDE this coming weekend, I'm ready to go vroom vroom!
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      10-01-2019 10:36 PM #97
      There are currently 2 for sale within 400 miles from me, so they are either selling well, or dealers are afraid to touch them for fear the space on the lot would be better served with a CUV.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Volkl View Post
      There are currently 2 for sale within 400 miles from me, so they are either selling well, or dealers are afraid to touch them for fear the space on the lot would be better served with a CUV.
      I was at the dealership looking at the Ioniq the other day and they had 3 outside and 1 inside. The 3 outside were all sold.
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      Nice pickup!

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      Quote Originally Posted by QUIRKiT View Post
      Trying to come up with a decent setup without breaking the bank, these will only be used for autox/track days.
      Konig's Flow Formed wheels are similarly priced and a hair lighter:

      https://konigwheels.com/wheels/flow-formed-wheels/

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