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    1. 08-12-2019 05:17 PM #1
      Crossover *what*? Crossing over from what to what?

      Reminds me of R&T on the 1984 'Vette and its CrossFire fuel injection: "Look out, kid, that car's about to crossfire!"
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      08-12-2019 05:19 PM #2
      Quote Originally Posted by adam1991 View Post
      Crossing over from what to what?
      From he to she.
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      08-12-2019 05:20 PM #3
      Googling CUV brings this quote from Autoblog:

      A crossover or CUV, is a vehicle built on a car platform and combines features of a sport utility vehicle with features from a passenger vehicle.

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      08-12-2019 05:33 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by Shmi View Post
      Googling CUV brings this quote from Autoblog:
      huh, I honestly thought it was cute utility vehicle
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      08-12-2019 05:42 PM #5
      I think back in the day, all of the crossover unibodies were Compacts, and the body on frame SUVs were bigger, so a CUV was a 1G CRV/Rav4/etc, hence the "C" for compact. Ignore that a Cherokee is a unibody and pretty SUVish.

      Now, CUVs and SUVs are all sizes, and in my mind, the line between the two is pretty arbitrary (4Runner, Wrangler, Suburban/Tahoe are all SUVs, CUVs are Highlander/Pilot/Traverse and similar), and CUV just means crossover now.
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      08-13-2019 05:51 AM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by Silly_me View Post
      huh, I honestly thought it was cute utility vehicle
      I've been calling them "trucklets" for years.

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      08-12-2019 05:43 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by Shmi View Post
      Googling CUV brings this quote from Autoblog:

      A crossover or CUV, is a vehicle built on a car platform and combines features of a sport utility vehicle with features from a passenger vehicle.
      True, it's a car with more pounds and different clothing added to it. Which reminds me of how while cruising today I saw Honda's failure in the form of;

      Honda just went too mild on the Crosstour and made it look more like an ugly Accord than anything else.

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      08-12-2019 05:46 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by antilock View Post

      Honda just went too mild on the Crosstour and made it look more like an ugly Accord than anything else.
      Different platforms, but I'm nitpicking.
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      08-12-2019 09:40 PM #10
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      I thought it stood for compact utility vehicle.
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      08-12-2019 10:24 PM #11
      Like most body styles, it evolved over time and doesn't necessarily have a single clear source or meaning. I believe that it's open to some degree of recollection and interpretation--here is mine:

      While it was definitely not the first crossover, the first car I remember being called a crossover was the OG Chrysler Pacifica in 2003. It was novel because it "crossed over" the wagon and SUV body styles, and offered people that would've gotten Grand Cherokees or Blazers something slightly more manageable and people that would have gotten wagons or minivans something more image friendly. It never really sold that well, but did generate a lot of buzz with "maybe I should get one?" AFAIK the term CUV was still not used yet.

      Meanwhile, SUVs like the X5 or QX4 were being "downsized" to get better fuel economy (X3 or FX35) and it popularized the category, but since they were based on car chassis, the term crossover became used to differentiate. Since the branding tied in with the larger family siblings, 'Crossover' was changed to 'CUV'. (yes, BMW marketing weirdly called them SAVs, but nobody else did). Ironically, even though the CR-V arguably started the category, the 'C' stood for Comfortable and not crossover, with the later being retroactively applied.

      Circa 2010, these things became so astounding popular that the term branched out even further, and cars that were traditionally known as SUVs but had unibodies started to be called crossovers by some too. Think Touareg, Cherokee, etc.

      Today, some say the differentiator is body on frame vs unibody. Others say it's vehicles with a chassis shared with a sedan vs a dedicated SUV chassis. I'm of the later. And to make it more confusing, I think ars like the A4 Allroad or Golf AllTrack are actually more true to the original crossover formula, but today aren't unilaterally considered crossovers.
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      08-12-2019 05:52 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by antilock View Post
      True, it's a car with more pounds and different clothing added to it. Which reminds me of how while cruising today I saw Honda's failure in the form of;
      So I is and has a BMW Crosstour?

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      08-12-2019 06:06 PM #13
      SUV has always meant "Sports Utility Vehicle", so I interpret CUV mean "Compact Utility Vehicle". SUVs have mostly gone to car-based chassis, as have CUVs, but I wouldn't necessarily require it as there could theoretically be a compact BOF vehicle such as the new Jimny that could be marketed as a CUV.

      The phrase "Crossover" is long gone, and seemed to be mostly used for the tall wagons of the early to mid 2000s.

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      08-12-2019 06:13 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by Pnuu View Post
      SUV has always meant "Sports Utility Vehicle", so I interpret CUV mean "Compact Utility Vehicle".
      Exactly what I have always thought CUV meant.

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      08-12-2019 10:59 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by Pnuu View Post
      SUV has always meant "Sports Utility Vehicle", so I interpret CUV mean "Compact Utility Vehicle". SUVs have mostly gone to car-based chassis, as have CUVs, but I wouldn't necessarily require it as there could theoretically be a compact BOF vehicle such as the new Jimny that could be marketed as a CUV.

      The phrase "Crossover" is long gone, and seemed to be mostly used for the tall wagons of the early to mid 2000s.
      This.
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      08-13-2019 02:01 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by Pnuu View Post
      SUV has always meant "Sports Utility Vehicle", so I interpret CUV mean "Compact Utility Vehicle". SUVs have mostly gone to car-based chassis, as have CUVs, but I wouldn't necessarily require it as there could theoretically be a compact BOF vehicle such as the new Jimny that could be marketed as a CUV.

      The phrase "Crossover" is long gone, and seemed to be mostly used for the tall wagons of the early to mid 2000s.
      Really? OEMs still use the term "crossover" even if no one can precisely define it.

      In my mind, "CUV" is still short for "crossover SUV". The earliest SUVs were BOF and RWD, typically built on a light truck frame, with more ground clearance than a regular car, a taller greenhouse to offer better visibility, and either a hatch or swing-out gate in lieu of a trunk.

      People liked some of these features more than others. People liked the SUV ride height and visibility, and like the idea of a vehicle that was capable on or off road, in any kind of weather. A lot of these people didn't like the truck-y ride quality, or the (typically less refined) truck or truck-derived drive trains, or the bad gas mileage. The OEMs' solution was to combine the things people liked about the BOF SUVs with the things they liked about a sedan, wagon or minivan. The result was a "cross" between the two vehicle types or a vehicle someone might buy to partially "cross over" from sedan/wagon/minivan life to the SUV experience.

      But, the distinctions have been blurred over time. There's still traditional SUVs (Tahoe, Suburban, Expedition) but there's a whole mess of others that aren't as easy to define. Is a 2020 Explorer and SUV because the original Explorer was BOF and RWD? Is it a car because it's built on a unibody "car" chassis? Is it a crossover even though no one calls it that in practice? Some OEMs use the term "crossover" but then market vehicles as "small SUV", "medium SUV" and "large SUV".

      I think all that can really be said is that all CUVs are SUVs (sort of), but not all SUVs are CUVs.
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      08-13-2019 07:51 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by antilock View Post
      True, it's a car with more pounds and different clothing added to it. Which reminds me of how while cruising today I saw Honda's failure in the form of;

      Honda just went too mild on the Crosstour and made it look more like an ugly Accord than anything else.
      not only is it based on the earlier 8th gen accord, but it is/was bigger than that accord. a lot of owners loved them. you picked the worst angle; all the others look much better, IMO.

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      08-13-2019 08:31 AM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by potownrob View Post
      not only is it based on the earlier 8th gen accord, but it is/was bigger than that accord. a lot of owners loved them. you picked the worst angle; all the others look much better, IMO.
      None of the angles look remotely good.

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      08-13-2019 10:38 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by potownrob View Post
      not only is it based on the earlier 8th gen accord, but it is/was bigger than that accord. a lot of owners loved them. you picked the worst angle; all the others look much better, IMO.
      Quote Originally Posted by Nealric View Post
      None of the angles look remotely good.
      Lol agreed. Ugly as hell.

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      08-13-2019 10:13 AM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by potownrob View Post
      not only is it based on the earlier 8th gen accord, but it is/was bigger than that accord. a lot of owners loved them. you picked the worst angle; all the others look much better, IMO.
      In stock form they were strange looking, but I've seen a few modded ones that don't look bad:



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      08-13-2019 10:23 AM #21
      I don't think I have ever heard CUV being referred to as compact utility in reviews. Pilots, Highlanders aren't exactly compact and those are always referred to as CUVs online.

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      08-13-2019 12:23 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by potownrob View Post
      not only is it based on the earlier 8th gen accord, but it is/was bigger than that accord. a lot of owners loved them. you picked the worst angle; all the others look much better, IMO.
      Well beauty is in the eye's of the beholder. I believe the Crosstour looks pretty ugly in the rear too though.

      It looks worse when you see it in the flesh. If it was human, it would be thinking about how it's gotta do something to ditch this fat ass.

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      08-13-2019 12:35 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by aleksl View Post
      I don't think I have ever heard CUV being referred to as compact utility in reviews. Pilots, Highlanders aren't exactly compact and those are always referred to as CUVs online.
      I think "Compact" was a relative term. "Compact in comparison to the BOF, truck based SUV's that came previously, the big Tahoes, etc. Plus the first-gen Highlander was significantly smaller than a Tahoe.

      I think it's just a term that has evolved and has no real, set definition anymore.

      Quote Originally Posted by The_Real_Stack View Post
      But again, I think the CUV thing came out in like 1996/1997 with the first RAV4 and CRV, and those were compact. Pilot and Highlander weren't out for like 5 more years, and by then the CUV thing was already pretty common nomenclature.
      Yup.

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      08-12-2019 05:30 PM #24
      Between car and SUV. Back in the day, you could pick either a car on a unibody chassis with a low ride height or a truck with a body on frame chassis with a tall ride height. The CUV is just a unibody car that rides high like a truck.

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      08-12-2019 05:43 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by adam1991 View Post
      Crossover *what*? Crossing over from what to what?
      To 'cuteness'.

      When a Body-on-frame, gas -guzzling, off-roading macho SUV 'crosses over' to become more mall-friendly mom mobile, it becomes:

      Cute Utility Vehicle



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