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      08-12-2019 10:59 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by Pnuu View Post
      SUV has always meant "Sports Utility Vehicle", so I interpret CUV mean "Compact Utility Vehicle". SUVs have mostly gone to car-based chassis, as have CUVs, but I wouldn't necessarily require it as there could theoretically be a compact BOF vehicle such as the new Jimny that could be marketed as a CUV.

      The phrase "Crossover" is long gone, and seemed to be mostly used for the tall wagons of the early to mid 2000s.
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      08-12-2019 11:25 PM #27
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      Quote Originally Posted by Crispyfritter View Post
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      08-12-2019 11:45 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by adam1991 View Post
      Crossover *what*? Crossing over from what to what?

      Reminds me of R&T on the 1984 'Vette and its CrossFire fuel injection: "Look out, kid, that car's about to crossfire!"
      A raised hatchback with no cargo space.

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      08-13-2019 05:51 AM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by Silly_me View Post
      huh, I honestly thought it was cute utility vehicle
      I've been calling them "trucklets" for years.

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      08-13-2019 07:51 AM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by antilock View Post
      True, it's a car with more pounds and different clothing added to it. Which reminds me of how while cruising today I saw Honda's failure in the form of;

      Honda just went too mild on the Crosstour and made it look more like an ugly Accord than anything else.
      not only is it based on the earlier 8th gen accord, but it is/was bigger than that accord. a lot of owners loved them. you picked the worst angle; all the others look much better, IMO.

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      08-13-2019 08:31 AM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by potownrob View Post
      not only is it based on the earlier 8th gen accord, but it is/was bigger than that accord. a lot of owners loved them. you picked the worst angle; all the others look much better, IMO.
      None of the angles look remotely good.

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      08-13-2019 10:13 AM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by potownrob View Post
      not only is it based on the earlier 8th gen accord, but it is/was bigger than that accord. a lot of owners loved them. you picked the worst angle; all the others look much better, IMO.
      In stock form they were strange looking, but I've seen a few modded ones that don't look bad:



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      08-13-2019 10:23 AM #34
      I don't think I have ever heard CUV being referred to as compact utility in reviews. Pilots, Highlanders aren't exactly compact and those are always referred to as CUVs online.

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      08-13-2019 10:38 AM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by potownrob View Post
      not only is it based on the earlier 8th gen accord, but it is/was bigger than that accord. a lot of owners loved them. you picked the worst angle; all the others look much better, IMO.
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      None of the angles look remotely good.
      Lol agreed. Ugly as hell.

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      08-13-2019 10:42 AM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by aleksl View Post
      I don't think I have ever heard CUV being referred to as compact utility in reviews. Pilots, Highlanders aren't exactly compact and those are always referred to as CUVs online.
      But again, I think the CUV thing came out in like 1996/1997 with the first RAV4 and CRV, and those were compact. Pilot and Highlander weren't out for like 5 more years, and by then the CUV thing was already pretty common nomenclature.
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      08-13-2019 12:23 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by potownrob View Post
      not only is it based on the earlier 8th gen accord, but it is/was bigger than that accord. a lot of owners loved them. you picked the worst angle; all the others look much better, IMO.
      Well beauty is in the eye's of the beholder. I believe the Crosstour looks pretty ugly in the rear too though.

      It looks worse when you see it in the flesh. If it was human, it would be thinking about how it's gotta do something to ditch this fat ass.

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      08-13-2019 12:35 PM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by aleksl View Post
      I don't think I have ever heard CUV being referred to as compact utility in reviews. Pilots, Highlanders aren't exactly compact and those are always referred to as CUVs online.
      I think "Compact" was a relative term. "Compact in comparison to the BOF, truck based SUV's that came previously, the big Tahoes, etc. Plus the first-gen Highlander was significantly smaller than a Tahoe.

      I think it's just a term that has evolved and has no real, set definition anymore.

      Quote Originally Posted by The_Real_Stack View Post
      But again, I think the CUV thing came out in like 1996/1997 with the first RAV4 and CRV, and those were compact. Pilot and Highlander weren't out for like 5 more years, and by then the CUV thing was already pretty common nomenclature.
      Yup.

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      08-13-2019 12:50 PM #40
      I didn't see anyone mention towing yet, but that's another element of it. Very few passenger cars in America are rated for towing at all, or are rated for tiny numbers like 1000 or 1500 pounds. Most crossovers have at least some kind of tow rating, sometimes 3000 - 5000 pounds for a midsize. That's enough to do a utility trailer, UTV, PWC, and so on. So it's not just about appearance, they often carry a tow rating that passenger cars lack.

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      08-13-2019 02:01 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by Pnuu View Post
      SUV has always meant "Sports Utility Vehicle", so I interpret CUV mean "Compact Utility Vehicle". SUVs have mostly gone to car-based chassis, as have CUVs, but I wouldn't necessarily require it as there could theoretically be a compact BOF vehicle such as the new Jimny that could be marketed as a CUV.

      The phrase "Crossover" is long gone, and seemed to be mostly used for the tall wagons of the early to mid 2000s.
      Really? OEMs still use the term "crossover" even if no one can precisely define it.

      In my mind, "CUV" is still short for "crossover SUV". The earliest SUVs were BOF and RWD, typically built on a light truck frame, with more ground clearance than a regular car, a taller greenhouse to offer better visibility, and either a hatch or swing-out gate in lieu of a trunk.

      People liked some of these features more than others. People liked the SUV ride height and visibility, and like the idea of a vehicle that was capable on or off road, in any kind of weather. A lot of these people didn't like the truck-y ride quality, or the (typically less refined) truck or truck-derived drive trains, or the bad gas mileage. The OEMs' solution was to combine the things people liked about the BOF SUVs with the things they liked about a sedan, wagon or minivan. The result was a "cross" between the two vehicle types or a vehicle someone might buy to partially "cross over" from sedan/wagon/minivan life to the SUV experience.

      But, the distinctions have been blurred over time. There's still traditional SUVs (Tahoe, Suburban, Expedition) but there's a whole mess of others that aren't as easy to define. Is a 2020 Explorer and SUV because the original Explorer was BOF and RWD? Is it a car because it's built on a unibody "car" chassis? Is it a crossover even though no one calls it that in practice? Some OEMs use the term "crossover" but then market vehicles as "small SUV", "medium SUV" and "large SUV".

      I think all that can really be said is that all CUVs are SUVs (sort of), but not all SUVs are CUVs.
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      08-13-2019 04:46 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by The_Real_Stack
      But again, I think the CUV thing came out in like 1996/1997 with the first RAV4 and CRV, and those were compact. Pilot and Highlander weren't out for like 5 more years, and by then the CUV thing was already pretty common nomenclature.
      They were the first for sure, but I still think the term CUV was backdated to them. At the time I don't remember it or any term for that matter that was special to them. Some people called them SUVs, others cars, I even heard them called runabouts. I don't think they were ever meant to start a tiny SUV craze and I imagine some of the original engineers that worked on them would find it humorous that it did. Rather than a SUV mixed with a car, I think they were just meant to be Japan's take on the SUV, which naturally was smaller. I mean, by Japanese standards a CR-V is actually kind of enormous.

      Quote Originally Posted by 4.OMG View Post
      In my mind, "CUV" is still short for "crossover SUV".
      Agreed. C for Compact doesn't really make sense to me, as making them smaller doesn't really remove any of the 'sport' aspects. They can still haul kayaks and bikes and have better dynamics than an equivalent truck or van. Also, while they're compacts in the US, in many other countries they're just normal to large.

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      08-13-2019 04:51 PM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by ghost03 View Post
      C for Compact
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      08-13-2019 05:34 PM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      I think "Compact" was a relative term. "Compact in comparison to the BOF, truck based SUV's that came previously, the big Tahoes, etc. Plus the first-gen Highlander was significantly smaller than a Tahoe.
      Yes, but Compact size SUV's debuted in the 1980's. S-10 Blazer, Bronco II, 4Runner, Pathfinder all followed the traditional SUV formula of putting a roof on a pickup truck - in this case, compact ones. The Durango could be considered the first mid-sized SUV because the Dakota it was based on was the first mid-sized truck.

      It could be stated the first SUVs were ALL compact - '66-'77 Bronco, Scout 80's, TLC's, etc. The IH Travelall, Suburban and Wagoneer/Cherokee were the only full-size SUVs.

      Remember the Suzuki Samurai? That's probably sub-compact! With BOF construction, solid axles and longitudinal engine layout it's definitely a true SUV.

      Actually, I considered the smallest ones (CJ's, Samurai, Rocky, etc.) as Sport Vehicles (SV). There's no Utility with them.

      The C stands for Crossover, period.

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      08-13-2019 07:18 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by 2 doors View Post
      Yes, but Compact size SUV's debuted in the 1980's. S-10 Blazer, Bronco II, 4Runner, Pathfinder all followed the traditional SUV formula of putting a roof on a pickup truck - in this case, compact ones. The Durango could be considered the first mid-sized SUV because the Dakota it was based on was the first mid-sized truck.

      It could be stated the first SUVs were ALL compact - '66-'77 Bronco, Scout 80's, TLC's, etc. The IH Travelall, Suburban and Wagoneer/Cherokee were the only full-size SUVs.

      Remember the Suzuki Samurai? That's probably sub-compact! With BOF construction, solid axles and longitudinal engine layout it's definitely a true SUV.

      Actually, I considered the smallest ones (CJ's, Samurai, Rocky, etc.) as Sport Vehicles (SV). There's no Utility with them.

      The C stands for Crossover, period.


      I would argue that the only absolute truth in this whole discussion is that the C means different things to different people for different reasons. Unless someone can research up the very first use of the term "CUV" and get that author's definition there's really no "... period." about any of it, because we are ALL engaged in nothing more than reasonably-informed conjecture.
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      08-13-2019 11:10 PM #47
      Names mean nothing.

      VW used to call their passenger Microbus a Wagon.

      Benz calls their V-Class Van a Sedan, and tried to get away with calling the old C230/C320 hatchback a Coupe..

      BMW doesn't seem to notice folks laughing at them for calling their CUV's & SUV's SAV's.

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      08-13-2019 11:35 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by 2 doors View Post
      Yes, but Compact size SUV's debuted in the 1980's. S-10 Blazer, Bronco II, 4Runner, Pathfinder all followed the traditional SUV formula of putting a roof on a pickup truck - in this case, compact ones. The Durango could be considered the first mid-sized SUV because the Dakota it was based on was the first mid-sized truck.

      It could be stated the first SUVs were ALL compact - '66-'77 Bronco, Scout 80's, TLC's, etc. The IH Travelall, Suburban and Wagoneer/Cherokee were the only full-size SUVs.

      Remember the Suzuki Samurai? That's probably sub-compact! With BOF construction, solid axles and longitudinal engine layout it's definitely a true SUV.

      Actually, I considered the smallest ones (CJ's, Samurai, Rocky, etc.) as Sport Vehicles (SV). There's no Utility with them.

      The C stands for Crossover, period.


      Another option is Compromise Utility Vehicle.

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      08-13-2019 11:57 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by Lwize View Post
      calling the old C230/C320 hatchback a Coupe..
      Yeah, that was a liftback. Not a coupe.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Lwize View Post
      BMW doesn't seem to notice folks laughing at them for calling their CUV's & SUV's SAV's.
      I always thought that was incredibly stupid, "No man, we aren't giving up our identity, we sell the ultimate driving machines, not SUVs :wank: Even Porsche calls their offerings SUVs, BMW just can't admit they are a sellout just like everyone else
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