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      09-04-2019 09:47 AM #1
      You're welcome, Hawk US-specific info in Roadshow's story: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2...taycan-debut//

      Turbo starts at $152,250, Turbo S is $186,350. Base, S, 4S, etc. models will come in the near future, as will the Cross Turismo wagon.





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      "The Taycan links our heritage to the future. It carries forward the success story of our brand – a brand that has fascinated and thrilled people the world over for more than 70 years," said Oliver Blume, Chairman of the Executive Board of Porsche AG, who opened the world premiere in Berlin: "This day marks the start of a new era."

      The four-door sports saloon is a unique package, offering typical Porsche performance and connectivity with everyday usability. At the same time, highly advanced production methods and the features of the Taycan are setting new standards in the fields of sustainability and digitalisation. “We promised a true Porsche for the age of electromobility – a fascinating sports car that not only excites in terms of its technology and driving dynamics, but also sparks a passion in people all over the world, just like its legendary predecessors have done. Now we are delivering on this promise,” emphasises Michael Steiner, Member of the Executive Board of Porsche AG – Research and Development.

      The first models in the new series are the Taycan Turbo S and Taycan Turbo. They are at the cutting edge of Porsche E-Performance and are among the most powerful production models that the sports car manufacturer currently has in its product range. Less powerful variants of these all-wheel drive vehicles will follow this year. The first derivative to be added will be the Taycan Cross Turismo at the end of next year. By 2022, Porsche will have invested more than six billion euros in electromobility.

      Performance meets efficiency

      The flagship Turbo S version of the Taycan can generate up to 560 kW (761 PS; Taycan Turbo S: combined power consumption 26.9 kWh/100 km; combined CO2 emissions 0 g/km) overboost power in combination with Launch Control, and the Taycan Turbo up to 500 kW (680 PS; Taycan Turbo: combined power consumption 26.0 kWh/100 km; combined CO2 emissions 0 g/km). The Taycan Turbo S accelerates from zero to 100 km/h in 2.8 seconds, while the Taycan Turbo completes this sprint in 3.2 seconds. The Turbo S has a range of up to 412 kilometres, and the Turbo a range of up to 450 kilometres (according to WLTP in each case). The top speed of both all-wheel-drive models is 260 km/h.

      The Taycan is the first production vehicle with a system voltage of 800 volts instead of the usual 400 volts for electric cars. This is a particular advantage for Taycan drivers on the road: in just over five minutes, the battery can be recharged using direct current (DC) from the high-power charging network for a range of up to 100 kilometres (according to WLTP). The charging time for five to 80 percent SoC (state of charge) is 22.5 minutes for charging under ideal conditions, and the maximum charging power (peak) is 270 kW. The overall capacity of the Performance Battery Plus is 93.4 kWh. Taycan drivers can comfortably charge their cars with up to eleven kW of alternating current (AC) at home.

      Pure exterior design with Porsche DNA

      With its clean, puristic design, the Taycan signals the beginning of a new era. At the same time, it retains the unmistakable Porsche design DNA. From the front it looks particularly wide and flat with highly contoured wings. The silhouette is shaped by the sporty roofline sloping downward to the rear. The highly sculpted side sections are also characteristic. The sleek cabin, the drawn-in rear C-pillar and the pronounced shoulders of the wings result in a sharply emphasised rear, typical of the brand. There are also innovative elements such as the glass-effect Porsche logo, which has been integrated into the light bar at the rear. With a Cd value from 0.22, the aerodynamically optimised basic shape makes a significant contribution to low energy consumption and thus long range.

      Unique interior design with a wide display screen band

      The cockpit signals the start of a new era with its clear structure and a completely new architecture. The freestanding, curved instrument cluster forms the highest point on the dashboard. This places a clear focus on the driver axis. A central, 10.9-inch infotainment display and an optional passenger display are combined to form an integrated glass band in a black-panel look. All user interfaces have been completely newly designed for the Taycan. The number of classic hardware controls such as switches and buttons has been greatly reduced. Instead, control is intelligent and intuitive – using touch operation or the voice control function, which responds to the command “Hey Porsche”.

      With the Taycan, Porsche offers an entirely leather-free interior for the first time. Interiors made from innovative recycled materials underscore the sustainable concept of the electric sports car. “Foot garages” – recesses in the battery in the rear footwell – ensure sitting comfort in the rear and allow the low vehicle height typical of sports cars. Two luggage compartments are available: the front compartment has a capacity of 81 litres and the rear 366 litres.

      Innovative drive motors and a two-speed transmission

      The Taycan Turbo S and Taycan Turbo have two exceptionally efficient electric ma-chines, one on the front axle and one on the rear axle, thus making the cars all-wheel drive. Both the range and the continuous power of the drive benefit from the high efficiency of the permanently excited synchronous machines. The electric machine, transmission and pulse-controlled inverter are each combined into a compact drive module. The modules have the highest power density (kW per litre of package space) of all electric powertrains on the market today. A special feature of the electric motors is the "hairpin" winding of the stator coils. This technology makes it possible to incorporate more copper in the stator, increasing power output and torque while maintaining the same component volume.

      The two-speed transmission installed on the rear axle is an innovation developed by Porsche. First gear gives the Taycan even more acceleration from a standing start, while second gear with a long gear ratio ensures high efficiency and equally high power reserves. This also applies at very high speeds.

      Centrally networked chassis systems

      Porsche uses a centrally networked control system for the Taycan chassis. The inte-grated Porsche 4D Chassis Control analyses and synchronises all chassis systems in real time. The innovative chassis systems include adaptive air suspension with three-chamber technology including PASM (Porsche Active Suspension Management) electronic damper control, as well as the Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control Sport (PDCC Sport) electromechanical roll stabilisation system including Porsche Torque Vectoring Plus (PTV Plus). The all-wheel drive control with two electric motors and the recuperation system are unique. At up to 265 kW, the potential recuperation power is significantly higher than that of competitors. Driving tests have shown that approximately 90 percent of everyday braking is performed by the electric machines alone – without the hydraulic wheel brakes being activated.

      The profile of the different driving modes basically follows the same philosophy as in other Porsche model series. This is supplemented by special settings which enable optimum use of the purely electric drive. Four driving modes are available: “Range”, “Normal”, “Sport” and “Sport Plus”. In addition, individual systems can be configured as required in the “Individual” mode.

      A world premiere on three continents at the same time

      The Porsche Taycan’s world premiere took place simultaneously in North America, China and Europe. The most important sales markets of the new electric sports car are on these three continents. The event locations are also a synonym for three ways of sustainable energy management: Niagara Falls at the border between the US state of New York and the Canadian province of Ontario representing hydro-power, a solar farm in Neuhardenberg near Berlin representing solar power and a wind farm on Pingtan Island, around 150 kilometres from the Chinese city of Fuzhou in the province of Fujian representing wind power. We perceive these natural forces with all our senses in exactly the same way as we experience the impressive power delivery of the first all-electric sports car from Porsche. This one-time triple event was broadcast worldwide via live stream on NewsTV.porsche.com.
















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      Where are the turbos

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      09-04-2019 09:51 AM #3
      Calling a EV the turbo is just silly IMO.

      That being said I love the looks in white.

      Edit : Just read that the Taycan wagon is confirmed
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    5. 09-04-2019 09:56 AM #4
      It's very impressive, but $185,000....

      No sign of the base model that was supposed to be priced between the Cayenne and Panamera.



      Sigh.

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      09-04-2019 09:57 AM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by Venom21 View Post
      It's very impressive, but $185,000....

      No sign of the base model that was supposed to be priced between the Cayenne and Panamera.



      Sigh.
      The lower-end models will most likely debut early next year. It's not at all surprising to me that they're starting with the highest-end, most-expensive models first.
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      09-04-2019 10:01 AM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by Ryukein View Post
      It's freakin' beautiful.

      Quote Originally Posted by Venom21 View Post
      It's very impressive, but $185,000....

      No sign of the base model that was supposed to be priced between the Cayenne and Panamera.



      Sigh.
      Does $7,500 tax credit still apply here?
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      09-04-2019 10:01 AM #7
      The live stream for those that missed it:

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    9. 09-04-2019 10:06 AM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by Ryukein View Post
      The lower-end models will most likely debut early next year. It's not at all surprising to me that they're starting with the highest-end, most-expensive models first.
      That's fine and all, but many sources were saying that it would start around $90,000. Probably a lot of people put down deposits expecting this price then bam $185K Turbo model. A bit disappointing given the build up. I really think they could have stolen more of Tesla's thunder debuting at the reasonable price point.

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      09-04-2019 10:07 AM #9
      Design-wise since we've seen it so much already there's only one surprise. The "gauge cluster" that is digital, floating and yet harkens back to the original 911 without actually looking like one is really slick.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Venom21 View Post
      That's fine and all, but many sources were saying that it would start around $90,000. Probably a lot of people put down deposits expecting this price then bam $185K Turbo model. A bit disappointing given the build up.
      This is SOP for EVs.

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      09-04-2019 10:15 AM #11
      They are available to be browsed on the US site (no configurator) at this link:
      https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/taycan/ (there is no way to navigate to that normally, but I just guessed the link).
      They even include a sound clip of the electric motor doing what sounds like launch control

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      Direct link to audio file here: https://files1.porsche.com/filestore...sche-audio.mp3
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      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      Where are the turbos
      My thoughts exactly. But otherwise, this looks really really good. I don't think Tesla should be worried per se, but I think this will finally be a real competitor and not just a "close enough" effort.

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      I like the B pillar to the rear.

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      09-04-2019 10:49 AM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      This is SOP for EVs.
      Exactly, and to a degree it's SOP for any product. Charge the highest prices when the product is brand new, then offer cheaper versions later to keep the sales volume up as interest wanes.

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      09-04-2019 10:54 AM #16
      Yay!
      A new Ryukein thread (complete with hi-res pix)!

      This car looks great.
      I'll never own one or be a passenger in one, but it's nice to know that it exists.

      This car still leaves a ton of room for the Tesla Model S to coexist.
      I don't think Tesla should be too concerned at all.

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      09-04-2019 10:58 AM #17
      With the Taycan, Porsche offers an entirely leather-free interior for the first time. Interiors made from innovative recycled materials underscore the sustainable concept of the electric sports car.
      Since there is a thread on page one currently, completely lacking in empathy on "cruelty-free" or "vegan" interiors, it is nice to highlight the fact that Porsche (as well as Tesla) recognize EV car owners are likely to want leather-free interiors.

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      09-04-2019 10:58 AM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by iliveoncaffiene View Post
      They are available to be browsed on the US site (no configurator) at this link:
      https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/taycan/ (there is no way to navigate to that normally, but I just guessed the link).
      They even include a sound clip of the electric motor doing what sounds like launch control

      Edit:
      Direct link to audio file here: https://files1.porsche.com/filestore...sche-audio.mp3
      Configurator is up! https://www.porsche.com/usa/modelsta...staycan-models
      You'll all be happy to read that "Deletion of "Taycan turbo" Logo on Rear" is a free option.
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      09-04-2019 11:03 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by Venom21 View Post
      That's fine and all, but many sources were saying that it would start around $90,000. Probably a lot of people put down deposits expecting this price then bam $185K Turbo model. A bit disappointing given the build up. I really think they could have stolen more of Tesla's thunder debuting at the reasonable price point.
      I think you're talking specifically about Hawk.

      Those sources aren't wrong though. It will start around $90k. Porsche has a history of debuting higher models first followed by the entry level ones.

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      09-04-2019 11:21 AM #20
      Electric Sport Sound is a $500 option. How ridiculous is that. Listen to the example... yeah, fine, check it. Sounds like those linear synchronous motors.

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      09-04-2019 11:28 AM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by Unilateral Phase Detractor View Post
      My thoughts exactly. But otherwise, this looks really really good. I don't think Tesla should be worried per se, but I think this will finally be a real competitor and not just a "close enough" effort.
      Quote Originally Posted by whitejeep1989 View Post
      This car still leaves a ton of room for the Tesla Model S to coexist.
      I don't think Tesla should be too concerned at all.
      Agreed, but within 2 years there will be plenty of choice in this bracket. You'll have cheaper Taycan variants, the Audi E-tron GT, and the Mercedes EQS. This segment will be well served from a luxury and sport standpoint.
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      09-04-2019 11:31 AM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by Venom21 View Post
      It's very impressive, but $185,000....
      Hawc is devastated.

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      09-04-2019 11:31 AM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      This is SOP for EVs.
      and Porsches. (Cayman S launched before Cayman, Panamera S & Turbo before Panamera, Macan S & Turbo before Macan base, 992S before 992, etc.) So basically it was bound to happen.

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      09-04-2019 11:35 AM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by Mike! View Post
      and Porsches. (Cayman S launched before Cayman, Panamera S & Turbo before Panamera, Macan S & Turbo before Macan base, 992S before 992, etc.) So basically it was bound to happen.
      Yup. I think this is the first time that a "Turbo" model has debuted first, but for this car it makes sense.
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      Absolutely incredible.

      5100lbs, 0-60 in 2.6s, 1/4 in 10.8. Performance EVs are black magic.

      I'm OK with the Turbo nomenclature.

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